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Or the toolkit for heavily stat dependant starts could just be buffed in some minor transient way that encorages and enables staying with spells. I'm still pretty fond of the skill unlock chests and weaker consumables/minor book buffs are reasonably easy to add if this does force a significant upswi...

What ought a mage do when one finds another starting book on the floor, or a book shop with several? I tend to succumb to the temptation and try to get both books online at the expense of defenses and melee. Is there ever a situation when branching into the other book is a good idea? Taking key spe...

While most melee characters probably do want to learn some evocations (I'm guilty of not using evocations as much as I should - it's strong), I wouldn't say "drop everything to buff a hex wand" is usually the right move. Your core skills are, well, core; they should be at a comfortable le...

Wouldn't quivering spells still require 2 keypresses minimum to cast vs the 3 keypresses from z or 1 keypress from macro with changing quivered spells as a more annoying version of just setting up a macro on your 3-4 spammy killdudes spells?

A more accurate translation uses even less words tbh. "Have what you need when you need it". Example: While the longsword may not be tempting on meledude and is a bad choice most of the time light evo or invo can be considered part of your core skillset so dropping everything to buff an ea...

I've played soooooooooooooo many times and I can't seem to get passed level 13 (worse for magic users...) Make the sucking stop. B Magedudes doing worse than meledudes implies unfocused builds. Build focused characters ignore all the shinies until your core skillset and god stabalize, then stack bu...

Quaz gives some pretty potent ele immune allies.

Oka is probably the weakest "strong god" in the game because he actively makes having allies worse. Not certain why he gets so much hype. Also Felid of Oka is horrible on every level. Mele cat skilling hits 2 skills total with high apts and uuuh oka does not boost the good part of fighting...

Lategame yred is mostly drain life +enslavebro (ice giants, titans, and high end dragons are good bro's) airdropping in your bone dragoms and profanes when shit hits the fan.

Felid also prefers abyss to vaults 10/10 times for 3rd rune.

LCS's at 8 is reasonable enough considering it needs near max spellpower to outpreform Iron Shot in a 15 rune game and should probably never be learned in a 3 rune.

Bolt of magma is a workhorse spell and may just be the best 3 rune bolt overall. 3 enhancer types and shared invest with fireball/LRD, common books that hold the spell all hold the big bad iron shot, and no "wasted exp" enemies means this bad boy can hold it's own against bolt of cold and ...

Removing the ID minigame does make crawls gameplay more streamlined by moving early item management to a tactical level rather than the curent semi-rng strategic setup we have now. It's a real gameplay improvement.

But I like the tabletop flavor.

Does Aura of Abjuration have any effect on minions spawned by damaging The Royal Jelly (TRJ)? I don't see it mentioned at all in the relevant wiki. Not sure if TRJ's summons are treated like others (they're "spawned" as an ability according to the description), or what the effect of "...

Cast LRD/petrify and worry about the insanely heavy armor/spell that's basically insanely heavy armor later?

If I'm going to be light-armor in the endgame, then I'm less sure what is good. QDA, of course, but what else? IDA and FDA feel like the depend too much on getting compensatory resistance some other way. Faerie dragon Armour is sometimes quite good. Beyond that, I don't know. Is ring MR+/rF+ good e...

In a 3 rune game vamp can be a powerful brand (on par with pain/disto/antimagic) but only if the damage you deal is greater than the damage you receive. So if you're not a plate dude with a big weapon or a DD vamp is average at best.

When you find body armor that's good enough to secure a win.

In terms of pure ease of use Mf/HO/Gr/Tr Gl or Fi.

In terms of winrate non-Be book start on any viable race.

In terms of optimal play DD/fast move book/launcher start.

Nods at doesnt's 4 arm nagaraja patch. Snake feels good mechanicly though the flavor could use some TLC. Having a spike damage branch is cool mechanicly if somewhat bullshit for new players (shoutouts to every dude who's instantly died to max arbalest rolls off a gaurd serp). Agreed that the spike/d...

So it's Ru but worse.

When playing a stabber of Kiku (DEEn in this case) is it better to pain brand the dagger, or to pain brand a rapier or a long blade? I don't know whether the pain branding gets multiplied by the stab. Even if it does, I'm not convinced it's necessary since dagger stabs are already so good. Pain bra...

You're learning too many offensive spells. Bolt/blast/smite/physical is all you ever need though as a DE^Veh there really is no reason to not grab a L9 spell for giggles. That said your chances of winning are higher with almost any god not named Veh. I'd recommend Ash as a god who plays similarly bu...

For balance and flavor reason's I'd like to see a clear split between temple and non-temple gods in general.

Jiv moved to a random altar vault in D would be nice but lucy should probably stay rare for obvious reasons.

I'm pretty sure statue is no longer tied to str/dex. Chei is pretty bad if you take him at temple (safety wise) but bend time and temp disto are strong enough to make an early altar worth considering on most dudes. If you want to go fast on not-DD, find him early, or just want an overly buff dude Ch...

Transfer is pretty good imo. Investing in cheese it out skills early and then dumping into throwing/launcher/other lategame usefulskill in vaults feels good.

It's like the most useful bad mutation though.

Gaurdian Serpents will always summon Vashnia's pack. Vash now dual wields tripple Xbows.
Nagaraja'use Doesnt's 4 arms thing.
Instead of dissolving Derived undead are permanent and become hostile after they would normally expire.

Bolt o cold, Cloud spell of choice, unraveling, darkness, S2S, blink and apportation are bread and butter.

Swing weapon and wear armor are also bread and butter.

I'd get bolt and blink running and then go for bulk in the short term.

Edit: Yeah don't go into snake on low hp dudes.

Passage/PPJ/aport/regen/butterflys and train the shit out of that launcher.

I prefer Tomb/Dis/Other hells/Pan for last chance loot and the useful staff, launcher+wallbreaking makes tomb a snap.

Killholeswork on strong meledudes, Iron shot spam works on blasters. For weaker chars there's the standard cheese Vuln Scroll/Evo/Petrify.

Regen and shroud should drastically raise your survivability, spectral is finicky to use with Cflame but it's not bad while song is pretty much free.

Past that I'd focus more on summons/necro than conj blasting on this char but you can go for it if you want.

this isn't a matter of cultural divide. it's inappropriate to call any ethnic group "angry" and use that as justification to normalize negative stereotypes; that's straight up racism: "[to me, NhorianScum,] this ethnic group is angry as fuck compared to western standards, therefore i...

And. You. Seriously. Are so comatose as to attribute Holy War and anger ... to Muslims. I have litteraly never done this. My commentary was that Arabic root culture has influenced social norms in the Arabic speaking world in a way that lends incomperables to a word and is entirely seperate from the...

Arabic culture, by western standards, is angry as fuck, so for a sword that sends you berserk all the time the Arabic word just works better. this sentence is, to put it lightly, "fucked up" Make you a deal, ask 10 people what a word for "really angry holy war" is. The answer wi...

There's a pretty vast expanse of fiction to pull from that mostly or completely ignores Tolken. There's a similar wheat to chaff ratio when comparing the subgenre split so it's not like diverging from elves and orcs immediately improves content. Any game with fireball and a dice system is playing ho...

Sprucery wrote:
NhorianScum wrote:There is no reason to take anything but hexer on hep.

I disagree. Battlemage is also good, especially if you're a caster or ranged attacker yourself.

Non-hexer ancestors are still good. They're just completely redundant. Hexer has incomperables.

You can avoid a truely staggering number of dangerous situations by training stealth early on Na.

Past that grats.

There is no reason to take anything but hexer on hep.

Spamming Finesse more is pretty nice.

I use shortblades or M&F on almost every non-mele start because floorgod. They're just so disgustingly exp efficent, come with strong brands and while you do want alternate killdudes later with Sblades that's a given for every weapon type. I only bother upgrading sblades to lblades in less than ...

Use throwing or a launcher, blick threats at the edge of LoS. Ppj, abjure, and apportation are nice but not neccecary. Conj also works with subgen.

Haste/blinking/passage still cover all your upstairs needs.

There's no reason to swap out of shortblades when you have alternate forms of killdudes, just use a better brand on a quickblade/rapier. Get decent spellpower on LRD/Petrify and keep an eye out for Iron shot and Scritters. Endgame spellset will probably be Bolt/Shot/Spellforge/Smv+dchan or critters/...

Im thinking of making some unique enemies at least start out as non combat encounter. Since some of the early ones can be rather hazardous and it seems like a nice way to naturally incorporate things like that, oh shops thats something else id like to know about, how often would shops spawn and how...

Pretty easy floor skip, D10-11 and some orc layouts (if you find Mr) before lair is pretty safe,

If you are into killing all the things sticky flame+walk backwards works well.

The spell interactions I like even if they are hilariously overpowered.

Not so much the rest of this.

Misposted. Shame counter +1 Tele/shaft traps are not uncommon but I'd avoid using them heavily outside of full party railroading or a treat for the obligitory power gamer because split party is a sin but traditional traps are absolutely everywhere in ossuary's, zot lungs, and tomb. Digging through t...

Level 4 strike would still be terrible even with the excessive drawbacks removed.

Strike looks completely worthless as is.

Rule of thumb. Does your god give allies and mp in some form or fashion.

If yes to both ignore evo past 6
If yes to one get evo to 6 and delay evo 15.
If no to both train all the evo.

This is just my personal guideline, it's probably suboptimal and has obvious exceptions.

On not DE^Veh you just take bolt/blast/smite/single target and dump into utility spells/evo/invo/bulk/weapon. Here that would look something like bof/lrd/ood or iron shot as the offensive spell suite.

On DE^Veh you may as well learn chain lightning and tornado for funsies.

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