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Well I was hoping for a demon whip or eveningstar and then I could use these enchant scrolls, but haven't found anything like that. Considering going to depths and hoping for a hell knight. As for ice beast success rate, yeah that was due to me recently putting on FDA, was pretty low earlier. Since ...

Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.17-a0-1767-gccbed74 (webtiles) character file. Barf the Nimble (Demigod Ice Elementalist) Turns: 68024, Time: 09:18:46 Health: 144/144 AC: 30 Str: 13 XL: 17 Next: 81% Magic: 30/30 EV: 20 Int: 27 God: Gold: 1382 SH: 14 Dex: 23 Spells: 9 memorised, 6 levels left rFi...

Hey, so I'm very mystified about what's going on. I followed the install.txt instructions, got the sourcecode compiled for windows using the mingw instructions, and have been using start crawl to run it. Unfortunately about 70% of the time the game will freeze my entire computer after either selecti...

How about this: Destroying another altar gains you piety and "indulgences" which allow the god to look the other way when you would otherwise do an action resulting in penance. I'm guessing.. 3 indulgences per altar destroyed, yeah ;) To curb abuse, you would get less piety per use. Paladi...

Well +3 aptitude, manual, wizadry ring means experience isn't the issue, and clarity and blink scrolls means survival isn't. Only consideration is loss of pain brand, I think you'll live. + hey, you'll have borg for the orb run, there's always that

I do that all the time. What we need is a tournament for this :3

Ugh, the annoying part is when you have a character who just barely can survive, so you can't really auto explore since it's too dangerous. I've got this demigod whose spent 3k turns at level 15, no haste spell and no regen, but I've got a fair amount of garbage saved up. Burned through about 20 dif...

Well, super heavy armour is only bad if you don't have the strength for it. Holy hell, 45 strength without chei :O Also, nice work

In the same vein: Good roguelike has transparent, easy to remember formulas telling you exactly what you get for investing in skills and spells. Bad roguelikes require several page long wiki articles to describe the basics of a single skill or even aspect of one part of a skill like spell power, as ...

Honestly it's more the tedium that makes non-throwing hunters suck. Who really wants to weapon switch over 200 times before lair? It'd be nice if they had "garbage" and "piles of sticks" in addition to stones and unbranded arrows so if you're level 8 and find a newt, you can just...

Ammo generally isn't that bad, just choose an alternate melee weapon for very squishy guys, one that requires little skill to be good with. Hunter is just one of those backgrounds that is really great for species with the aptitudes for it and really bad for everyone else imo.

Early game: no, late game: what else are you gonna use that dozen ID scrolls on?

I dunno, in my experience super heavy armour just sucks. I mean even if you don't cast spells it kinda sucks. Towards the end of the game, AC doesn't do much if you need to avoid 100 damage crystal spears and such, EV and high fighting is much better. If you are chei, then that's a totally different...

Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.17-a0-1760-ga6756ae (webtiles) character file. Barf the Conqueror (Formicid Abyssal Knight) Turns: 79219, Time: 13:39:06 Health: 249/249 AC: 34 Str: 31 XL: 27 Magic: 20/43 EV: 19 Int: 19 (20) God: Lugonu [*.....] Gold: 4359 SH: 17 Dex: 16 Spells: 9 memorised, 12 l...

Actually I think I'm going to go heavy and get some storm dragon armour. With the shield, that leaves rF+++, rC+, relec, and a ton of AC. Not much point in going for level 6 spells as a formicid, the only suckage is missing out on deflect missiles which I can live with. Edit: Ugh, naturally mara is ...

V8 sprint. Salty

While we're at it, shorten the game considerably. I think one of the biggest factors of crawl endgame being too easy is that it would be frustrating playing a 6-12 hour game that is really hard all the time. As such, no developer is really going to change the end game. If crawl were about 1/3 the le...

A)Remove all forms of teleport, movement speed increases, shafting, etc while making base speed of monsters 12 and you 10
B) Remove berserk.

Some races are deliberately hard, like formicids and mummies, demigods are kind of in that category. I think they were designed to have high ability scores being their specialities, although they look truly pathetic when compared with zin and chei. Trunk is the latest version basically, you can play...

I'm a little hesitant to go for armor that's heavy enough that I can't cast, given my lack of excape options that's why I'm considering the fire armor, not just the rF++ Passage of golubria has saved my butt once already. And yeah, I think I'll raise invo up a bit more soon :) I think you're right, ...

I clear the Slime pits hopping to find some more equipment to help but got nothing good. So now all my Cure Muts are gone and still have no way to combat Zot5 http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/LawndartJedi/LawndartJedi.txt I'm really pissed off at this point. There should be some kind of solution b...

So I've never played a formicid nor have I ever played lugonu. I decided to remedy that :) Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.17-a0-1738-g82cdc46 (webtiles) character file. Barf the Protected (Formicid Abyssal Knight) Turns: 32843, Time: 05:44:10 Health: 121/121 AC: 24 Str: 28 XL: 17 Next: 4% Magic:...

Sandman25 wrote: If you doubt, try SpEn, DECj, DrWz, TeFE, DDEE, HEAE, MuSu, OpTm, MfSk, VpNe, FeVM etc. and tell me that it is optimal to join Trog.
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Okay, so that's 11 out of 600+ combinations

I never choose trog, but that's not because he's not good.

Well, with hostile demon summons there's also the fact that you're not going to be casting this often. Wondering if a skeleton is going to kill you sounds like it will get old after the 3000th cast.

However, I'm of the opinion the there's plenty of spell levels to do whatever you want for someone with ~16 spellcasting. Not true, even under the current system I often train spellcasting higher than that in order to get spell levels. Er.. okay not "whatever" you want, just probably more...

That is true, like I said in the OP we could do some alternative formula, and set a max at whatever the current max is (80 right?). Was just trying to keep it simpler. However, I'm of the opinion the there's plenty of spell levels to do whatever you want for someone with ~16 spellcasting. Perhaps it...

I've said it about 3 times already, and I'm not interested in 6 page essay wars on a forum.

Wait, is the wiki actually wrong for once? Distorting a weapon is listed as 5* on the wiki but I don't see an option.

My concern with this is whether or not it'd backfire and actually hurt casters more heh. Getting animate to 20% and surviving a hostile skeleton now and then as a fighter oriented player is not a big deal. However, getting animate down to 2% and getting a hostile skeleton as a felid or octopode at l...

Like Siegurt, I can't really see the problem here. Who would cast Haste and only train Spellcasting to 2? Or cast multiple very high level spells without training Spellcasting at all? Edit: maybe it seems wrong to some people that you can memorize and cast spells without training a skill called Spe...

Well I just want to make sure we're dicussing the same thing. This isn't about access to high level spells, it's access to multiple very high level spells. Kind of a big difference. As for the rest, I think we've both made our points and it's just up to opinion now.

What's your point? I realize you can memorize spells without training spellcasting, my question is "Why is that bad" It kinds of removes the whole point of spellcasting. If the skill is not needed to cast level 6-7 spell, why does it exist? OP wrote that it is too easy to become a hybrid ...

Trog balance should be it's own thread(... and I 100% agree). Trog is one god out of 20 something, this is a global change.

Currently hybrids have way too easy of a time getting spell levels to cast spells. Most of the time if I'm not learning spells above level 6, I learn a bunch of spells for the heck of it because I've got 30+ spell levels and nothing to do with them. The rest of your logic flows from this premise, h...

Currently hybrids have way too easy of a time getting spell levels to cast spells. Most of the time if I'm not learning spells above level 6, I learn a bunch of spells for the heck of it because I've got 30+ spell levels and nothing to do with them. So I propose instead of using 2×Spellcasting + Exp...

Well I guess I have to eat my own words here. I eventually ran into literally 8 orb of fires in zot5, didn't even clear both lungs. The silver javelins + portal projectiles were basically my only way of killing them after I ran out of might potions, as I was using a demon trident with shield. So les...

Well, normally, I would be getting far more piety at this point, but with both ammunition and non-ammunition acquirements, I'm basically down to using finesse only in extremely rare situations. Like I can use finesse maybe once, and then I have to wait a very long time unless I want to end up at ***...

Dying in midgame I find is usually about poor god choice or lack of defense. If your character has a strong book or setp (caster with mephitic, or miniotaur melee based), you have freedom to do whatever. Otherwise you should choose a god that will help in the beginning of the game. Hybrids are gener...

Soooo... I started as a merfolk gladiator. Chose okawaru, and... now I'm getting this unending stream of needles, tomahawks and javelins. This would be nice if they were free, but instead this unending garbage is making it so I cannot finesse! Is there a way to turn these gifts off or something? I'm...

Well elf is pretty easy, I wouldn't really considfer it part of extended, so yeah there's that one. I've never done a melee in extended, but my guess is since you don't have a holy wrath weapon, you should switch to TSO before doing crypt so you can go get one. I'm sure makhleb is doable, but this i...

Well controlled blink is basically god mode, I would've just thrown on a buckler and gone straight for it after getting freezing cloud ;) I would also unlearn poison cloud if you need to unlearn to get more spell levels as it's fairly redundant with freezing. Also agreed on evo, that's more of a hea...

Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.17-a0-1731-g129c023 (webtiles) character file. Barf the Severer (Naga Warper) Turns: 76457, Time: 11:12:25 Health: 163/200 AC: 27 Str: 15 XL: 23 Next: 29% Magic: 41/42 EV: 15 Int: 20 God: Fedhas [******] Gold: 2205 SH: 0 Dex: 13 Spells: 14 memorised, 4 levels left...

Heh, I like how this thread is basically about acquirement now. I did acquire some fruit btw, and got 17 :D Anyways, just cleared Vault 1, the second hardest floor because of those annoying sentinals, so it's looking good! That vampiric executioner's axe really is pretty nice with haste on even even...

I've been thinking about this, and it's not like themed faded altars would be mutually exclusive with the current faded altars, if people really do like them. Normal faded altars could have all the chaotic possibilities like early jiyva or unexpected xom, while the themed ones could be more balanced...

Yeah, naga's see invisible already, though. I did start out the game spamming mushrooms, just spent a while building up piety because I wasn't in dire need of help. I think I'll start keeping some lackeys again ;) I'm not that far into ******, I think I just earned it. Anyways, if I'm going to aband...

Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.17-a0-1718-g72dbe4d (webtiles) character file. Barf the Fighter (Naga Warper) Turns: 44588, Time: 06:45:09 Health: 173/174 AC: 23 Str: 15 XL: 18 Next: 7% Magic: 35/35 EV: 11 Int: 23 God: Fedhas [******] Gold: 53 SH: 9 Dex: 12 Spells: 12 memorised, 5 levels left rF...

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Heh, have enough javelins? Sheesh! Wow several 100 scrolls to o.O Was this mostly from zigs or just garbage lying around?

Yeah I'm really not used to hybrids, usually I make a sword/axe thumper, blaster or hunter/caster. Why I made the post :/ What would you suggest, a ranged weapon or reaching weapon? In any case use-ided a scroll and it turned out to be a branding scroll. Only weapon I had on hand was the hand axe, s...

Well, I want for freezing cloud because I had a ring of wizardry and I figured I'd get it before the easy lair experience was over. With a robe it'll be reliable pretty soon. Unfortunately I couldn't find a good light axe, as I got locked out of orc :( Not sure how long it'll be before I can handle ...

Removing chunks will basically force people into playing some stupid "optimal" playstyle built around food if it matters, and if doesn't matter, than why have food in the first place. This is absolutely not true. There is a spectrum here -- the point of a clock is to make you play above a...

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