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No guarantee it'd play as well as it sounds -- the recasting might quickly become tedious, after all. But yes, the approach addresses the principal shortcomings of the current Charms (and of both flavours: the permant Reflect Missiles style, and the temporary Shroud style). Since we also know that c...

That's a new and interesting idea! At least, I haven't seen it before. Certainly worth testing, in my opinion.

It's a minor issue, so I'll look at it from a flavour point of view: Gozag certainly prefers the gold over some weapon.

An important aspect of nets is that monsters use them against you, notably gnolls. Definitely worth keeping.

stickyfingers: The old changelogs contain hints to what gameplay systems have been incorporated from Brent's Crawl, so he certainly knew what he was doing for gameplay, not just code. I think what the "just rewrite it" folks miss, apart from the sheer workload, is the core problem: so you ...

PF: Fair enough, but of course you'd still pick up nets, because while less powerful than now, they'd still be useful.

Anyway, as long as they're rare, this is not really crucial, because they do provide decisions after all.

KoboldLord: This is true, but still (and I believe this is what Rast had in mind as well -- please correct me if I'm wrong) there would be more interesting decisions if Throwing skill mattered here. Now: pick up all nets; decision is about when to use it With Throwing having impact: pick up all nets...

goodcoolguy wrote:I would remind newer developers that being the guy who finally removes food from crawl will make you a folk hero in the community.

He would also die of some unnatural cause within hours.

Shard1697 wrote:HardboiledGargoyle was asking an actual question and maybe instead of being a rude, condescending dick and telling him to "shut up" you could have just answered him

He got an actual answer and my tone was carefully pitched to match his.

Yours, the rude, condescending dick

archaeo: This is certainly correct! Did you know that there are complaints about item destruction even now? I think it's much easier to see that item destruction was good for little (negligible gameplay effect, noticeable interface toll) and that's why it's gone already. By contrast, food *does* som...

tabstorm: This is immediately going off-topic, but to me, the biggest problem is luring (related to, but more important than, kiting and stair-dancing). I think it is extremely unfortunate that combat (Crawl's most important gameplay aspect) is so scripted: it is tedious, reliable, counter-intuitive...

HardboiledGargoyle: If you have no clue what you're talking about, then perhaps it is better to shut up for a bit?

This history lesson can be conveniently reached from the Crawl homepage.

How was tabstorm "distorting" anything? All of the problems he calls out are real issues that Crawl has. Nor was it exactly "throwaway," since he explained himself pretty thoroughly. Color me totally mystified by the fact that this is its own thread, especially since the OP is j...

Floodkiller's long posting is really good, in my opinion. You should also take into account this: while it seems that everyone and their granny agree on something (food removal here), when it comes to the details, people (developers) actually have different opinions. [History footnote: the inability...

Croases: I tried to contact him, but he didn't reply. Perhaps someone else reached Brent first?

Holla, this became its own thread. Here's some context: there was an attempt to rewrite Crawl completely, by Brent Ross, the sole remaining developer of the team that took over when Linley Henzell left. From what I heard, his code was very good and the game was working. It's technically playable as ...

PleasingFungus: massive buttplug!

Rast: with your proposal, it would become stronger than the Petition at some point in the game because you can chain-instabuy exactly the things you need, and the stock is larger (including scrolls). It's a bit sad, because it moves power from the early to the later part.

Basically everyone knows hunger doesn't do anything unless you are playing an extremely contrived character or are remarkably bad at the game. It can't just be removed, because of hypothetical optimal play concerns. What if players choose to go atheist (for no piety decay) and spend 30000+ turns pe...

FR: reveal all items in a stack without walking onto the tile. I am sure this is not the solution. The reason is that this change would incentivise the following, very unfun behaviour: check all contents of all (newly created) piles in LOS. The shortest way would probably be Ctrl-X, but it'd mean t...

Rast: Interesting! When I made Gozag, the potions where the weakest element, from a flavour point of view. (I rationalise them as "money can buy anything".) Linking this to shops is intriguing. I'll think about this a little more and come back to this tread. Should be in GDD, of course. :D

tabstorm: That was a joke.

Phantoms I don't care for. With crimson imps, I don't know if they blinking behaviour is relevant enough for player use (the spell).

Wow, even developers ask for advice and then don't take it. Is there a word for the cognitive mismatch between "did not take MY advice" and "don't take advice"? For the record: I started with Vitality; Str+4 Dex+4 Int+8; EV+6 and, after reading the answers, finished with Vitalit...

This proposal sounds very good to me. I'll try to remember guiding ##crawl-dev towards it. A word on history: a few versions ago, there was a dedicated effort to do something about food. This stalled, because it turned out that the visions were very different. What I had in mind (and probably badly ...

tabstorm: I agree, although I also think that Brogue should do something to ease the pain of step-search-step-search-etc. I'm sure there are ways to go about it... Of course, this can also be seen the other way around: if you have a tight clock, you get away with lots of otherwise very dubious desig...

The salient feature of this poll is that proves people love blinking monsters.

archaeo: This is a very interesting concept! I think it's also possible to make curses relevant by adding more noticeable negative effects, but that's for a different thread, without polls.

Many thanks for the interesting discussion. The little Felid is safely home now, even with two spare lives.

You need rF+. OOF can one shot you without it. rF++ would be better. I know but in this game I can (a) bribe Zot, probably three times, and (b) can buy potions before fights. I am not sure if I can rely on this to get around orbs of fire, but I guess I should firmly believe in the money. Why do you...

This is the first time I post in DCA, and it is because I have no clue what jewellery is best for my Felid ( dump ). The last one died with the orb, so I hope this time I can do better. I have three runes, innate rElec and horns and rMut level 1. Lack of rF is very noticeable. This character has ext...

In the c-r-d discussion, I mentioned Hell-like effects. This sounds horrible at first, but I think it can work. First, the name "hell-like trap effects" is slightly misleading, because they should kick in about as often as current traps (which is much less often than real Hell effects occu...

I think it's a bug. Would you file a report (you can link to this thread, no need to upload the pictures once more).

VeryAngryFelid (above): Different things: I think that Zot traps are intended as a sort of area denial, whereas teleportation and shaft traps can get you into a dangerous situation right away (and teleportation traps are not good at this; they'd be better if they worked like the mutation). I really ...

Yes, this is something to think about. But gifts needn't come on kills. Anyway, my point is that instead of showering you with items, it'd be more interesting if Oki allowed you to get more (than everyone else!) out of stuff you have found.

I think that instead, or at least in addition, to plain armour/weapon drops, Okawaru should improve worn gear: each gift event has a chance to improve the enchantment of worn items. Instead of pie-in-the-sky, this is intended to make otherwise bad/mediocre gear useful: ⋅ Okawaru equipment ...

For what it's worth, immediately after seeing ultraviolent's posting on reddit (again, many thanks for this), I wrote an email to the public crawl-ref-discuss list. I don't feel like regurgitating all of that over here, but rest assured, the matter is being taken seriously. I don't think immediate a...

Poison magic, trog and dpeg For this, you will burn longer than Annihilations. You are the head of a non-profit Dev team that has institutionalised speciesm. Even if you aren't actively putting us down you are part of the problem. DLM will continue to riot in CYC until we get our reparations Crawl ...

CypherZel wrote:Poison magic, trog and dpeg

For this, you will burn longer than Annihilations.

shnurlf: I mentioned it on ##crawl-dev, but the reaction was very skeptical. Obviously, tree form is extremely strong early on. So the question is if one thinks a reasonable cost (or drawback) can be invented... and if it is worth pondering about it. I absolutely think so, both for flavour and for g...

This should be moved to CYC. What started with a reasonable OP (reasonably worded, I don't support it at all) has turned into another pointless removalist contest.

DracheReborn wrote:Idea for a Ba gimmick - can assume Tree form at will, with duration similar to !lig.

This is such a cute idea! I have no idea if it has been discussed (and discarded) but I'll relay it to the gammafunk.

1) What's the decisive difference between Ba and the long gone OM? Why is the former proposed as new species if the latter was removed from the game? Stone Soup is now officially old enough that developers re-invent content removed by previous generations. 2) Is it a current development goal to tak...

BabyRage: I am only giving a hint why MiFE could legibly be seen as a weak combination.

In other words: we don't know how much emphasis people on CWZ put on flavour, for example. It is very tavern-y to dismiss this right away.

Perhaps MiFE was meant in kimnosuk's example as played like a FE (rather than a weapon-less fighter)?

Just a little joke... humans err, but gods don't (or at least shouldn't acknowledge).

VeryAngryFelid wrote:Ok, I was wrong about Makhleb

Unfortunately, Makhleb was never wrong about you.

A problem in game design: can you invent a mechanic that is useful for everyone, but not more useful for skill players than for others? For example, Pender (the Brogue developer) invented healing plants: these allow you to regain health very quickly. This is good for everyone, but particularly for n...

kimnosuk: I didn't mean you -- your original posting specifies context: you explicitly say that you go for damage/turn. We introduced cleaving in an attempt to differentiate weapon types (which is very hard or perhaps impossible to do just with numbers). The effect can be very useful, also early on ...

pedritolo: Yes. I think part of the problem is that posters are often very (even completely) implicit with their assumptions. When I say "X is strong/weak/unfun/overpowered/etc.", then I have a set of assumptions. In discussions like these, it is important to share them: am I talking about...

and into: I certainly could see faded altars work like this!

Personally, I've used up my share of this mechanic (Nemelex' Triple Draw, Gozag's potions), so I am happy it enters from someone else.

Patch welcome!

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