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bel

Saturday, 20th July 2019, 06:32

Forum: Dungeon Crawling Advice

Topic: High Level Necro Spells

Replies: 34

Views: 4514

Re: High Level Necro Spells

Necromutation is the weakest. The rest are all good.

Quaff brilliance before using Revivification.

bel

Saturday, 20th July 2019, 06:25

Forum: YASD! YAVP! and characters in progress too

Topic: YASD: lairless hellless panless TrWp^Oka (bcrawl)

Replies: 2

Views: 499

Re: CIP: lairless TrWp^Oka (bcrawl)

I am not familiar with bcrawl, but you can try needle-stabbing Pan Lords. Also, Finesse and Large Rocks and Claws can take down Pan Lords. If you only need one more rune, you can just avoid the Pan Lords which you don't like (I usually find Lom Lobon the hardest). I haven't really played with Tomb m...

bel

Saturday, 20th July 2019, 03:22

Forum: YASD! YAVP! and characters in progress too

Topic: CiP: VpEn of Ru speedrun

Replies: 1

Views: 373

CiP: VpEn of Ru speedrun

Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.24-a0-512-g2b48af375b (webtiles) character file. bel the Unseen (Vampire Enchanter) Turns: 12716, Time: 04:43:57 Health: 92/92 AC: 7 Str: 12 (13) XL: 15 Next: 76% Magic: 25/25 EV: 23 Int: 26 God: Ru [******] Gold: 1448 SH: 4 Dex: 14 (15) Spells: 12/28 levels left ...

bel

Saturday, 20th July 2019, 01:48

Forum: Crazy Yiuf's Corner

Topic: No MP Regen with monsters in LOS

Replies: 30

Views: 3366

Re: No MP Regen with monsters in LOS

Doesn't Spelunky have damsels which you can rescue, which increases your health? So, perhaps this kind of health regen mechanic can work in randomly generated games. (I haven't played Spelunky much).

bel

Friday, 19th July 2019, 18:00

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Contamination to replace spell hunger

Replies: 7

Views: 1300

Re: Contamination to replace spell hunger

It's not clear to me what you're trying to achieve. What problem is being solved by using contamination? I can point out that an old fork "Crawl Light" did remove hunger, and replaced all food costs with "glow" costs. However, I think the better way to go would be to remove spell...

bel

Friday, 19th July 2019, 11:21

Forum: Dungeon Crawling Advice

Topic: Re: Tukima's Dance 0.16.1

Replies: 2

Views: 3768

Re: Tukima's Dance 0.16.1

[Mod edit: deleted spam OP] I have a SpEn who can cast this hungerless and is about to enter Orc. This is my first character to find its book, and I've not used it much this game since I was most recently in Lair. I'd like to ask for some tactical advice. The problem I had with it as I descended to...

bel

Friday, 19th July 2019, 02:55

Forum: Crazy Yiuf's Corner

Topic: [proclick] new fork, hellcrawl

Replies: 891

Views: 181053

Re: [proclick] new fork, hellcrawl

Trog's piety decay is also faster. I do not find Trog to be particularly good in Hellcrawl, though it's still ok. Trog does begin falling off as the game goes on, which is not a bad thing in and of itself. In general, I think Hellcrawl can do away altogether with piety decay. There's an actual clock...

bel

Friday, 19th July 2019, 01:26

Forum: Crazy Yiuf's Corner

Topic: No MP Regen with monsters in LOS

Replies: 30

Views: 3366

Re: No MP Regen with monsters in LOS

Coming back to the "mana regen only with monsters in LoS", the way to go would be to tie it to monster difficulty (or tension). It seems that it would be similar to just having mana on kills, which is not a bad idea in itself. I was thinking of tweaking DD where they don't regen at all (HP...

bel

Thursday, 18th July 2019, 23:34

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Difficulty vs XL

Replies: 52

Views: 7846

Re: Difficulty vs XL

To be fair, the nethack plot doesn't look much different from the DCSS plots here.

bel

Thursday, 18th July 2019, 14:57

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Difficulty vs XL

Replies: 52

Views: 7846

Re: Difficulty vs XL

Nethack 3.6.2 difficulty plot. The turns are on a log scale

Spoiler: show
Games played on NAO. Logfile here. Removed boring games (quit and escaped). Sample size is about 4800.

bel

Tuesday, 16th July 2019, 03:44

Forum: Dungeon Crawling Advice

Topic: Dumb AM ranger 13- Oklob sapling

Replies: 6

Views: 949

Re: Dumb AM ranger 13- Oklob sapling

Not sure about the layout without actually seeing the map, but usually you can get pretty close to the oklob because there are some plants around. And then you can just run into the temple.

If not, invisibility is a good idea. Maybe also use agility.

bel

Monday, 15th July 2019, 20:30

Forum: Coding

Topic: Level size

Replies: 1

Views: 900

Level size

How difficult would it be, coding wise, to reduce the size of generated levels? I think Circus Animals (?) had bigger than normal levels? I want to go the opposite route. Also, I think that there are some full-level vaults (like the one in Crypt which is in the shape of skull and bones) which might ...

bel

Monday, 15th July 2019, 07:43

Forum: Crazy Yiuf's Corner

Topic: No MP Regen with monsters in LOS

Replies: 30

Views: 3366

Re: No MP Regen with monsters in LOS

Not sure what's special about MP here. Kiting to restore HP works the same way.

bel

Monday, 15th July 2019, 04:09

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Difficulty vs XL

Replies: 52

Views: 7846

Re: Difficulty vs XL

Updated Hellcrawl graph. Since Hellcrawl is more-or-less linear till Vaults:3, I plotted the difficulty assuming the canonical order (D -> Orc -> Sbranch -> Vaults). Mean difficulty is 8.23 and is shown by horizontal line on the plot. Standard deviation is 4.7. I also merged logfiles from CKO. CBRO ...

bel

Sunday, 14th July 2019, 23:48

Forum: Crazy Yiuf's Corner

Topic: Implant hell crawl's charm school mechanism.

Replies: 39

Views: 4837

Re: Implant hell crawl's charm school mechanism.

Also, keep in mind that permabuffs always reserve MP, while you may not actually cast a particular buff in a fight. So the power adjustment doesn't just go one way. [...] ETA: It's also less true in general, because if I think I'm unlikely to want it in many fights I can keep it off, and cast it as...

bel

Sunday, 14th July 2019, 22:39

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Difficulty vs XL

Replies: 52

Views: 7846

Re: Difficulty vs XL

Hellcrawl difficulty level in Dungeon. Details are under spoiler tag. Only looks at games on CPO. Thanks to chequers for logfile help. Sequell doesn't track Hellcrawl games, so I looked at the raw logfile here . I looked at the most recent Hellcrawl version (v=5.7). I only looked at &quo...

bel

Saturday, 13th July 2019, 18:02

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Smooth out Naga AC bonus and give Mummy some

Replies: 5

Views: 915

Re: Smooth out Naga AC bonus and give Mummy some

Nagas do really suck in early game. Apart from the things mentioned in the OP, they're slow. I did an analysis of Naga games from 0.22 using the difficulty measure outlined here . Here's the plot. I would say that both the early game and the later game difficulty are non-ideal. From reading old craw...

bel

Saturday, 13th July 2019, 16:46

Forum: Dungeon Crawling Advice

Topic: Countering grasping roots

Replies: 5

Views: 1162

Re: Countering grasping roots

First, you have to understand what grasping roots does: Grasping Roots now applies a non-resistable constriction effect to the player (or target monster) when cast, with similar for escape for the normal constriction used by e.g. naga monsters. The constriction damage for Grasping Roots is higher th...

bel

Saturday, 13th July 2019, 16:25

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Better DD

Replies: 18

Views: 3148

Re: Better DD

That's pretty cool. What happens when you do go through Lair? I'm curious whether you end up with a huge ambrosia stockpile. In general, the game becomes easier as one goes through Lair. I cannot fix the game difficulty curve by a healing function. Also, keep in mind that I am a fairly experienced ...

bel

Saturday, 13th July 2019, 16:19

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Better DD

Replies: 18

Views: 3148

Re: Better DD

Nvm, the healing function goes to crap as soon as I enter the Lair branches. Back to the drawing board.

bel

Saturday, 13th July 2019, 01:43

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Better DD

Replies: 18

Views: 3148

Re: Better DD

I'm trying to achieve the result that, at any point in the game, the "total damage taken" should be roughly equal to (ideally, a little less than) "total healing". I have been trying various healing functions and might have found a half-decent one: (Monster XP)^2 / (Player XP) . ...

bel

Saturday, 13th July 2019, 01:33

Forum: Crazy Yiuf's Corner

Topic: Implant hell crawl's charm school mechanism.

Replies: 39

Views: 4837

Re: Implant hell crawl's charm school mechanism.

You're assuming that buffs are cast at the start of the fight. But that's not the only option (or even the most common option). Buffs could be cast before the fight starts, in anticipation of a fight (say, just before you open a door, or before you go downstairs.) Also, keep in mind that permabuffs ...

bel

Friday, 12th July 2019, 19:15

Forum: Crazy Yiuf's Corner

Topic: Implant hell crawl's charm school mechanism.

Replies: 39

Views: 4837

Re: Implant hell crawl's charm school mechanism.

OK, I will do it step by step. Keep in mind that your formula makes permabuff spells uncastable at low levels for most combos. At the same time as solving this problem, I still didn't want to allow the use of perma-buff spells with a failure probability of more than 30%. So I modified the formula o...

bel

Friday, 12th July 2019, 15:07

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: no random stat gain pls.

Replies: 41

Views: 5454

Re: no random stat gain pls.

rcfile options are meant to substitute user inputs and/or enhance user experience. They aren't meant to change the game mechanics. People with different rcfiles are still playing the same game.

bel

Thursday, 11th July 2019, 20:31

Forum: YASD! YAVP! and characters in progress too

Topic: CIP: HUWN. Should I go for first extended?

Replies: 15

Views: 1503

Re: CIP: HUWN. Should I go for first extended?

Okawaru wrath is the top killer in Crypt.

bel

Thursday, 11th July 2019, 06:57

Forum: Crazy Yiuf's Corner

Topic: Blast from the past (Crawl Light)

Replies: 0

Views: 569

Blast from the past (Crawl Light)

"Crawl Light" was a fork of DCSS (it was forked off 0.8). I was reading the changelog. What jumped out at me:

No food.
No ID.
SquareLoS.
Everyone starts with a scroll of teleport and potion of agility.

Is there an echo in here?

[I have never played Crawl Light]

bel

Thursday, 11th July 2019, 00:55

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Difficulty vs XL

Replies: 52

Views: 7846

Re: Difficulty vs XL

I found this cool series of posts which was done by some guy named Colin Morris a couple of years ago.

I half-remembered this from a post on Tavern back then. I had some worries about the approach.

bel

Wednesday, 10th July 2019, 17:43

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Remove the id game (new reason)

Replies: 56

Views: 6859

Re: Remove the id game (new reason)

One alternative to removing the id game would be to remove the ID *scrolls* and have consumables self-identify if you get a stack of a certain size (say 3) that would preserve the "your access to consumables is random and restricted in the early game", which is honestly one thing that mak...

bel

Wednesday, 10th July 2019, 15:07

Forum: YASD! YAVP! and characters in progress too

Topic: CIP: HUWN. Should I go for first extended?

Replies: 15

Views: 1503

Re: CIP: HUWN. Should I go for first extended?

You can do extended with Okawaru. Finesse remains good all game.

If you want to convert to TSO, do it before Crypt, so you can build up piety there quickly. Keep in mind that Okawaru wrath can be dangerous.

I wouldn't worry about arrows. You have enough. Just be careful of water/lava.

bel

Tuesday, 9th July 2019, 18:41

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Rework polearms

Replies: 60

Views: 10377

Re: Rework polearms

Weapon power is not directly dependent on weapon mechanics. If I make every mace do 100 base damage will you still use axes? I am not commenting on whether "Axes are the best weapon type" here. The issues are: ⋅  For polearms, is the "interesting" aspect bigger than the...

bel

Tuesday, 9th July 2019, 14:23

Forum: Crazy Yiuf's Corner

Topic: Game philosophy- Nethack4

Replies: 3

Views: 1189

Game philosophy- Nethack4

I started with Nethack (though I don't play it much now, except for a little bit of messing around). It is often useful for me to compare Nethack and Crawl when I'm thinking about stuff. Nethack4 is a fork of vanilla Nethack which has laid out its philosophy in detail. What do people think it (the p...

bel

Tuesday, 9th July 2019, 14:09

Forum: YASD! YAVP! and characters in progress too

Topic: Crawling irony

Replies: 1

Views: 512

Re: Crawling irony

Wait till you start with an Octopode and find Scales of the Dragon King on D:2. :P

bel

Sunday, 7th July 2019, 12:05

Forum: YASD! YAVP! and characters in progress too

Topic: CIP: What spells should I learn?

Replies: 6

Views: 729

Re: CIP: What spells should I learn?

Simulacra can kill OoF.

bel

Saturday, 6th July 2019, 23:49

Forum: YASD! YAVP! and characters in progress too

Topic: YAVP, first ascend DsWn of Ok - any advice?

Replies: 3

Views: 576

Re: YAVP, first ascend DsWn of Ok - any advice?

You seem to not have used Finesse at all in the later stages (including Zot). Heroism was also used rather rarely. It could be that you felt that you were comfortably winning fights, so you don't need to use god abilities (which is fine). However, if you had problems in Zot, they could have been mit...

bel

Saturday, 6th July 2019, 14:52

Forum: YASD! YAVP! and characters in progress too

Topic: YAVP, first ascend DsWn of Ok - any advice?

Replies: 3

Views: 576

Re: YAVP, first ascend DsWn of Ok

Looks pretty good. The rings are really nice.

Most of the dump is truncated, so can't comment more.

bel

Saturday, 6th July 2019, 11:34

Forum: Dungeon Crawling Advice

Topic: how to survive wizlab

Replies: 7

Views: 1384

Re: how to survive wizlab

Heal wounds restores 9 + (3d28 / 3) HP, so 23 on average. So you will go above 25% HP very likely. After drinking heal wounds, if you get hit with two undodgeable legendary destruction, you will die, of course. However, can you survive one? Not sure, actually. If you cannot even survive one, I think...

bel

Saturday, 6th July 2019, 10:50

Forum: Dungeon Crawling Advice

Topic: how to survive wizlab

Replies: 7

Views: 1384

Re: how to survive wizlab

Blood saints are fairly tough. You are in danger of dying next turn, and you cannot get out of LoS in one turn, nor can you kill it in one turn. So, by process of elimination, I think you need to drink heal wounds. If you survive, you will have several options: haste and blink are the top ones. I am...

bel

Saturday, 6th July 2019, 10:07

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Difficulty vs XL

Replies: 52

Views: 7846

Re: Difficulty vs XL

Crawl is not complex enough for your analogy with the relationship between basic physical law and human behavior to hold water, I think. It is certainly true that it's hard to perform explicit calculations, which is why I talk about estimates instead. The reason your results do not match the pictur...

bel

Saturday, 6th July 2019, 09:34

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Rework polearms

Replies: 60

Views: 10377

Re: Rework polearms

Reaching is still bad. I was inspired to necro this thread when I saw that Brogue implemented reaching on polearms in its latest version.

bel

Thursday, 4th July 2019, 21:50

Forum: YASD! YAVP! and characters in progress too

Topic: CIP:DDEE Makhleb

Replies: 9

Views: 974

Re: CIP:DDEE Makhleb

You seem to be not using LRD at all. LRD is the best spell for EE. You should be using it most of the time. Wield the staff of earth to increase spellpower for LRD. Your training seems to be all over the place. You have trained 14 different skills. Also, your Int seems to be rather low, which will h...

bel

Thursday, 4th July 2019, 16:03

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Remove the id game (new reason)

Replies: 56

Views: 6859

Re: Remove the id game (new reason)

I don't like the idea of removing the ID mini-game because I find it often fun. [...] On the topic of difficulty, I'd like to see the game remove large "spikes" of difficulty. What I mean by spikes are things like, you're on d:1 and a pack of jackals and a couple other things just happen ...

bel

Thursday, 4th July 2019, 12:02

Forum: Dungeon Crawling Advice

Topic: GrEE need spell advice (please)

Replies: 8

Views: 1116

Re: GrEE need spell advice (please)

An average 3-rune game generates 14 amnesia scrolls. That number is more than enough to forget any spell you would like to forget. Do not worry about spell slots. I would generally not bother with OoD when you have Iron Shot. With Vehumet, you get 5 range Iron Shot, which is good enough. However, if...

bel

Thursday, 4th July 2019, 11:42

Forum: YASD! YAVP! and characters in progress too

Topic: CIP: What spells should I learn?

Replies: 6

Views: 729

Re: CIP: What spells should I learn?

Learn Simulacrum. You can learn whatever else you like.

With 15 shields, I would wear the large shield if the spell failure rate is bearable. A regular shield is also probably better than a buckler.

bel

Thursday, 4th July 2019, 00:02

Forum: Dungeon Crawling Advice

Topic: GrEE need spell advice (please)

Replies: 8

Views: 1116

Re: GrEE need spell advice (please)

You haven't got a single rune yet. I would concentrate first on getting the spells which are useful for doing the two Lair branches. You will have plenty of time later to prepare for 15 runes. First, Ozocubu's Armour. For MP-efficient fighting, you can use Battlesphere plus some lvl 1 spell like Fla...

bel

Wednesday, 3rd July 2019, 19:39

Forum: Crazy Yiuf's Corner

Topic: Skill points

Replies: 11

Views: 1449

Re: Skill points

It's true: Skill points are bad. The mechanics of stats are better in general, particularly stat growth. There is no reason skills could not work more or less the way stats do or even be literally implemented as stats. The distinction between stats and skills goes back to the removed concept of &qu...

bel

Wednesday, 3rd July 2019, 19:34

Forum: Crazy Yiuf's Corner

Topic: Skill points

Replies: 11

Views: 1449

Re: Skill points

I wouldn't mind if the formula was made more elegant, but if is optimised for good gameplay atm. Any change would have to be playtested and might not be an improvement. Yes, I agree that any change would have to be playtested. However, I don't know how one can evaluate the statement: "if (it?)...

bel

Wednesday, 3rd July 2019, 18:13

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Difficulty vs XL

Replies: 52

Views: 7846

Re: Difficulty vs XL

To compare crawl with another game I play (Brogue), I looked at the difficulty by dungeon depth in Brogue. In Brogue, you have to descend to D:26 to find the amulet of yendor and come back. There is an "extended" (below D:26), but I ignored that part for our purposes. About 13% of games ei...

bel

Wednesday, 3rd July 2019, 14:26

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Exploration-based piety is bad

Replies: 14

Views: 3410

Re: Exploration-based piety is bad

In general, the point I'm making is not that kills-based piety is perfect, but that it captures the goal better then exploration-based piety. Currently, exploring Shoals:4 gives almost as much piety as exploring Shoals:3, even though the former is tougher. Why is it tougher? Because it has tougher a...

bel

Wednesday, 3rd July 2019, 13:55

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Difficulty vs XL

Replies: 52

Views: 7846

Re: Difficulty vs XL

It's possible, but it would be a lot of work. I might do a little bit of it anyway, because I want to see how some races like Nagas and Felids do in the early game. My impression is that Nagas need to be buffed in the early game.
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