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Never heard of that before. Interesting.

What do you mean by destroy books? How does that work?

Latest update. I've found several decent upgrades to my gear and a pile of new spells. I'm ramping up Spellcasting as quickly as possible for spell slots. I just cleared Snake. I also finally found another amnesia scroll and dumped magma bolt. I'm undecided on what to go after next. Silence would le...

I cleared the lair and scored some new books with EXCELLENT spells in them. Books d - a book of Battle Spells Type Level Infusion Charms 1 Shroud of Golubria Charms/Translocation 2 Song of Slaying Charms 2 Spectral Weapon Hexes/Charms 3 *Regeneration Charms/Necromancy 3 f - a book of Dreams Spells T...

I'm not a big fan of bolt of magma either, but I have to use what's available. When I find more books or Vehumet offers up something better, I'll jump on it. Since I don't have any amnesia scrolls, I need to keep spell slots available. I trained the stealth because deep elves have some aptitude at i...

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I NEED MOAR SPELLCASTING POWAR!!!!!!!!!!

Fire is a reasonable idea. As far as the spellcasting, I subscribe to the Sandman school of thought on it: to 27 and beyond!!!

So this is my first serious attempt at a caster in a looong time. I gave up on the summoners for now. Anyway, here is my dump. I'm trying to stay non-elemental for now, except for the sticky flame Vehumet just gave me. It was too good to pass up. I've tried to balance defensive skills with my castin...

Nobody has called anyone's mother a whore yet, so I consider this thread a rousing success. :D That said, I dislike this mechanic enough that I'm going to pull down the source, disable it, and compile a new version to play with locally. I don't always agree with the decisions the developers of this ...

What's the rationale behind not being able to run away from monsters anymore? We're the same speed, but somehow they can keep up and hit me while moving. I don't understand why this was added.

@Crate: yes, but those proficiencies!!!!!!!!!! I NEED MOAR SUMMON POWARZ!!!!!

That's not true, Sar. There is a huge different between a Deep Elf Fighter and a Deep Elf Wizard in terms of starting squishitude. Yes, race determines more about how your character is going to develop than anything else, but acting like starting gear is irrelevant is silly. You know that.

I learned long ago never to use myself as a yardstick for expected human behavior. Most people are far less willing to learn or change than I am and my current attitude on the matter reflects my 40 years of experience with other human beings. The problem is compounded on the Internet where there isn...

I think so. It's related to this, right?

pe•dan•tic (pə-dănˈtĭk)
adj. Characterized by a narrow, often ostentatious concern for book learning and formal rules: a pedantic attention to details.

I'm sorry, crate, but that has not been my experience. If you're finding early game hard as a summoner, you're probably doing something wrong that's making things harder than they need to be. For example, I used to find Transmuters much harder because I was training my skills inefficiently (not foc...

I'm sorry, crate, but that has not been my experience. It's a waste of time to argue opinions, so we'll have to agree to disagree.

Yeah, I know all of this now. But as a newbie, I struggled for a long time trying to play mages as classical mages from fantasy and other RPGs. The designation is misleading to people that don't know the game well. Summoners are particularly weak in the early game, especially with the recent round o...

The most important thing about being a summoner is "be able to kill stuff without your summons" treat them like extra melee damage, train your character like a melee character with some spell support, playing fragile races means that much more exp needs to go into defenses. One of my favo...

Shadow imps can see invisible as well.

So why is CCF limited to just one summon? Wouldn't it make more sense for all these spells to have a base amount of summons/duration that scales with spell power? The current limits seem arbitrary and inconsistent to me.

So you go with adjacent range melee weapons? Or do you prefer missiles?

So my previous thread on this topic from last year turned into a clusterfuck. Despite that, I've been fooling around with Summoners again and would like general advice on getting them to succeed. I'm mostly focusing on Tengu as my race so far, but I'm considering Spriggan the next time I splat. So, ...

I've had an ongoing problem wherein Crawl crashes when I launch it. It happens during the "reading maps" section of the launch. It doesn't generate any crash files in the morgue folder and the window closes without presenting any kind of exception. It's essentially a crash to the desktop. ...

It's academic at this point since I splatted on an Orb of Fire as soon as I entered Zot:1. Forgot to put on my rF+ rings. *facepalm* Anyway, the wiki says this,"...each level in the Armour skill increases the base AC of a piece of armour by a little over 4%. The Armour skill also partially defr...

Good job, man. Now restart and go after 15 runes!

Roka and his damned crossbow were very troublesome. I can't believe the amount of freaking crossbows I've seen in this run. I have two huge stacks of them tucked into corners of the vault because it was getting so bad that every humanoid I came up against whipped one out and started pincushioning me...

So after winning a 6 rune victory on my last version of this guy, I'm going for a 15 rune win this time. I've had some really great luck with weapons, but I'm at a crossroad now. I only have a few areas left before I dive into Hell/Pan, so I'm looking for general opinions on how I've set things up. ...

Probably not, but I consider their deaths to be an achievement and it's worth the risk to me. Hopefully the last lord is asleep when I find him so I can perform dark murder on him.

Muahahahahaha Lom Lobon comes into view. Your +4,+4 eudemon blade of holy wrath stops glowing. You hear the crackle of electricity. a - a +8,+8 quick blade of electrocution (weapon) Casting: Flight Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells. Okay, then. Found a scroll of curse weapo...

No, you're right. TSO would utterly screw me as a stabber. Zin makes way more sense. I have not read their powers in a long time is why I chose TSO (it's the god I used for my 15 rune Gargoyle Fighter win). Zin would prevent me from getting Necromutation, though. Shadow form is complete crap unless ...

My spell slots are tight at the moment. I'll consider getting it after I max out spellcasting. Here is an updated dump. I've claimed 3 of the Pan runes so far and I'm about to leave Cerebov to his own devices because I honestly don't think I can kill him. I upgraded my holy longsword to a holy eudem...

The OoFs were actually pretty easy when I put up Battlesphere. 3 or 4 Iron Shots took them down. I wasn't able to kill them without the sphere, though. I don't have passwall because....reasons. @____@ I haven't needed it and it's not as useful without Ashenzari's ability to see through walls. Dealin...

Just an update. Picking up Iron Shot was key to my success in Zot and beyond. Very good advice, so thanks again. Right now, I am working on Pandemonium runes for a 15 rune win. It's slow going, but I'm steadily toughening up. That holy wrath longsword is wrecking the critters I can't stab. I sure wi...

That was a good read and extremely useful. Thanks!

Is iron shot how you dealt with Zot 5 threats like OoF?

Also, would it be worth it to train crossbows for Sniper? It looks pretty badass, but I've never used crossbows before so they could be gimp for all I know.

I need some advice here. I'm coming up against the dreaded short blades wall, where I am unable to kill tough monsters that I don't catch asleep because I can't output enough DPS. I found a manual of long blades and with cross training, ramped the skill up to around 12. I have a wide variety of long...

Yes, I'm very squishy. The answer to your gloves question is no, I've found two pair and I am carrying both of them in this dump. I'd love to up my AC. I have an elven ringmail and that mottled dragon hide + a bunch of various branded heavier armors. What do you think about that hat? I don't like th...

I can't help with your weapon selection, but I am definitely jealous of your gear. All that stat bonuses rock!

I've been up and down with this guy and he's starting to actually feel strong. I'm working on defenses + getting invisibility online at the moment. Since there's no reasonably simple way to evaluate weapon effectiveness, I'm looking for advice on that, armor, and spell choice. I haven't played caste...

Excellent point. I used it and the morningstar and devastated Spider. Floor 5 actually nearly killed me due to those damned emperor scorpions and an unlucky hostile greater demon summon. I sure miss being able to teleport and blink, but I did find a wand of healing. It's something. I think I'll clea...

That was perhaps the most annoying Orc run I've ever done. The casters on floor 4 just chain drained me over and over. If I hadn't been able to summon some tough demons, they might have finished me off. I guess I'll clear down to Depths and then go after Swamp. That morningstar looks like it would e...

THAT ARMOR SHALL NEVER LEAVE MY BODY :twisted:

This has been a pretty uneventful character except for that GDA I found. He feels extremely squishy even with that + a shield. I have a couple of GSCs, but elected for this great mace + shield for now. I may switch down the road when I feel like I have a little more survivability. Is it worth it to ...

It was my own ignorance that killed me, along with some really crappy luck (getting hit so many times in a row). I didn't understand the danger level of those sims. I lost another version of this guy to a spriggan druid because I didn't understand the danger of trees around them. Lessons learned. I ...

So frustrating! I just cleared Elf 3 and was dipping into Depths. I didn't expect that all 3 of them would hit me and do that much damage, especially since I had a level of rC+ and 40EV. Had a damned nice spell lineup as well. *grumble* Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14-a0-2542-g51e44bb (tiles) ...

I only play locally, so listgame isn't going to be useful. I tend to use the same name over and over, so the morgue file isn't going to help either. I didn't realize you could examine them to get the spell list. That's probably the way to go in my case. Thanks. Now I am going to back up the bones fi...

:evil: That's really aggravating. :evil: Is there any way to determine the abilities of a ghost other than having them one shot you like I just was? Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14-a0-2542-g51e44bb (tiles) character file. 12938 Stabatha the Covert (level 11, -2/47 HPs) Began as a Spriggan Ench...

Guuuufffffff. I turned a corner and was netted by Harold. Fannar was about 2 steps below him. Bad day to be me. I managed to escape by using a teleportation scroll, but that's going to be a tough nut to crack. Fannar is no joke under normal circumstances, triply so for a djinni. At least Harold won'...

I will train some dodging. As for the staff, I am using it to train staves for now and only melee with it when I must or vs weak monsters. It's a risk, but one that I am fully aware of. Ensorcelled hibernation was an accident. I'll remove it when I need the spell levels for something else. The few c...

Had some VERY rough spots as I made my way to the Lair that wound up giving me mutations from desperate potion drinking (was at 1 HP from poison while trying to find a cure potion). Also got kicked around pretty hard by a ghost, phantom, and a pack of orcs. Another time I nearly died was when I disc...

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