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It puts a different learning curve, certainly. A 0 skill shield user who knows to always fight in corridors, knows to take off the shield if that's not possible and that certain attacks cannot be blocked with a shield (orc wizards and priests in the earlygame) won't really care about the potential ...

I would rather stick to the point of the proposal and its criticism rather than anything else. My point is that shields in general and large and medium shields in particular suck especially for melee characters, and my proposal is about letting shields suck less without changing their current behavi...

+1 for Chimerae in Vaults -- it seemed like people mostly liked the Chimera monster proposal I threw out, but I'm not sure if any of those people were devs. Yes, I think some peculiar monsters for Vaults is a good idea, the way Catoblepas (I surely misspelled it), Elephants or Basilisks are for Lai...

Just twice so far, so my credentials are not the best but I'm just tossing in my 2 cents. I was not trying to remove any value for you point. I asked because it seems you never faced any crystal-spear casting enemy (as per your example) with summons to help him. If you are with Trog/TSO you respond...

dpeg wrote:By the way, faster regeneration helps not only with food: less downtime for healing -- the same reason makes you get piety faster with most gods.

And helps with poison too if I remember correctly.

Please stop advising beginners to unequip shields on starting fighters, it's bad advice anyway, the shield will still block most of attacks at skill 0... and being shieldless would mean more deaths for them. If they want to play shieldless, let them choose another background.

Bomanz: how many times you end up in post 3-rune games?

Maybe Tower Dwarf evo/invo should be very good to give them more ways to kill things. A tower dwarf with high defence and a fast weapon with a nice damage-independent brand (did I say distortion?) could be a nice artificer of Nemelex... but I don't think it could be more than the sad status of arti...

Your ideas are interesting but they dont address the actual issue, and that is the loss of kill power. Shields already do a great job at lowering incoming damage, but the cost as opposed to dodge and armor is loss of kill power, so unless there`s an idea to address that, it won`t change the fact th...

I only play human fighter because I like to roleplay a knight. I never seem to be able to get very far though so what am i doing wrong? I normally keep my skill training set to automatic to train maces, fighting, shields, and dodging as I use them and cancel things like stabbing so I dont train the...

Renaissance-era swashbucklers used, uh, bucklers . The popular notion of the "sword and board" fighter is either a transplanted gladiator, or is a cross between a swashbuckler and a single heavy infantryman -- heavy infantry equipment, swashbuckler tactics. That's after the invention of f...

Well, it's actually pretty good if you stick to the good parts. It helped me a lot back when I used it. Of course as a new player you have no way to know the bad parts when you see them, so this is not good enough. The problem is, no wiki author is the best crawl expert, so everyone is updating whe...

Ugh, sorry. Scratch the "difficult to implement" thing then. But I still think it would be hardly noticeable. And might require some extra balancing to not be a nerf. With my proposal, a 0 SH character would try to block the first incoming attack like now. So a 0 skill it would not be a n...

Just a side note: I'm responsible for the registration via email thing proposal that the other wiki teammates accepted, spammers went so heavy that the "Recent changes" page was unusable, and thus notifications via Talk: space were useless. The current status is better than no wiki at all....

njvack wrote:The thing I've missed is the thing where shields are broken, honestly.

They aren't for most characters. For heavy melee they are much underpowered compared to the xp to invest (exp. for large shields). Who's going in melee with a normal shield? Who does that with a large shield?

So against a single attack, the more skilled you are, the less likely you are to block it, unless it's high damage. That seems very counter-intuitive. With this proposal it IS counter intuitive, there can be special cases whe you face a single opponent. A skilled warrior would not block an off-hand...

Also it would be very difficult to implement. Attacks are handled in sequence, so if the kobold shoots first the game doesn't even know that the yaktaur is also going to shoot. Overall I think this idea is by far not good enough to justify the huge effort that would be involved. Who talked about or...

Shield skill seems to be ok for spellcasters and shooters, and this could be ok because historically tower shields were used by crossbowmen to hide behind while reloading the massive weapon. But what about melee shield bearers? I'm trying here to make some adjustment without do too many of them. Mai...

Totally OT, I had Wrath of Trog gifted to me by Okawaru. How ironic!

Rule #3: Big spells hit so much harder than an equivalent expenditure of mana in a smaller spell. This should be rewritten as: Rule #3: Higher level conjurations hit so much harder than an equivalent expenditure of mana in a lower level ones, if range or area effect is roughly the same. Sometimes t...

JeffQyzt wrote:Shields of reflection aren't bad. They're just worse than everything else.

But they are fun.

Try to use some resuming-capable software to download it, like GetRight o WinWget.

Dear ebarret, I don't know why you have had such bad experience, I did not. Still I a single experience does not tell the whole story.

For mid-game ghosts and beyond, necromancers with Dispel Undead will clean them up. or just make a TSO melee character from the start. It will build piety slooooowly but if you happen to find some imps, orc priests or zombie/skeletons maybe you can bring cleansing flame online to kill post-lair gho...

I deleted the offending line of the wiki, something you could have done yourself instead of complaining.

For some characters, escape is tedius, for some other ones, isn't.
Having recently died in the tournament due to a tactical error following a pan lord spawn, I don't think the orb run is trivial anymore...

I see the problem here, you pick your background and you get both skills and stats. Sometimes the stats you wished to have differs from the skills a background give you...

Keep in mind that generated monsters do not explore, they stick to routes from room to room, so corners outsides of said routes are 99% safe.

You can try to memorize 100% fail spells by quaffing a potion of brilliance. This way you still have 100% failure while casting them, but having them memorized means you can train spellcasting and the spell schools.

I would dare to try stair dancing with hasting and bring some nagas upstairs with you.

yogaFLAME wrote:How often are you guys dropping below 30% HP?

Currently never unless I have Death's Door, because there's no gimmick to make this viable.

According to the learnDB, any given turn that Saint Roka is in the cloud, he'll have a 1/3 chance of becoming confused (14 HD means 14 in 21 chance of avoiding confusion). Add to that how quickly he'll recover from confusion, and it's probably not worth too much to try. Three to four turns of a con...

@palin: I considered damage shaving long and hard and then decided against it. While, yes, it would make sense, it's Deep Dwarves entire gimmick. And they pay for it with no regeneration. Yet it's still good enough they're considered to be an easy species to play. Outside of stepping on toes, Werew...

I'll try Mephitic Cloud first while retreating around a corner to avoid smiting, if this fails, go Ood with no mercy.

I don't remember if they were up to six, but on V7 once I found Mennas, Aizul, Boris, Sonja and Wiglaf, and maybe another weak one. I skipped the level and returned after learning Tornado (and Mennas was a hard one nonetheless)

Try to find and train a branded longblade (fire/freeze is nice, but chopping or drain is good too). You already are shieldless so a two-handed longblade should be nice.

I think werewolves could have damage shaving like deep dwarf and keep standard healing. This mimics "superhuman" regeneration quite well as seen in some literature while differentiating them from trolls.

Deimos wrote:A XL27 DEFE should not melee a Tentacle Monstrosity.

These are dangerous even for melee characters... so for casters they should be a no no.

I think it would be a good idea if the enemies would convert out of awe for the mighty power of a demigod. I would propose some sort of challenge in which you fight the monster in a bloodless manner (illusionary spells, hitting with the flat of the blade, and so on) and when the monster reach its vi...

If Octopedes can wear hats I don't see why Felids can't... Octopodes are human sized. Felids are cat sized. Regular size hat + cat size cat = hilarity ensues. I'm sure there are a bunch of youtube videos about this. Ogres are giant sized. Trolls are giant sized. Spriggans are tiny. Yet they can all...

minmay wrote:Well, doesn't throwing things at them also take real time and turns? I'm not seeing any real difference here.

I was not speaking about mimics, just about checking stairs and portals in general... I did not specified that so that's my fault.

Psieye wrote:I don't think sleep needles work on undead/demons either.

It works for demons, but not for undead, as all the other needles, unless there's poison immunity.

I forgot that, but spiders should be able to manipulate wands, IMO. Anyway, how exactly wands are used when you have both hands wielding things, and perhaps cursed? Probably you can "use a hand" to point the wand even if you're wielding a two handed weapon by letting go the weapon with a ...

If we're going to cast votes, I candidate "Siderophobia". Maybe the meaning it's not immediately obvius to non scientific types, but it sounds good to me and it's not a made up word ;) The problem is that it is ambiguous since it both means "fear of iron" and "fear of the st...

Of course that means it just encourages much more tedious behaviour (walk over every staircase/escape hatch if you think you might use it ever, etc.) I think that this can be a tactital choice, wasting real time and turns or not having a particular efficient path in case you have to travel the dung...

DCSS is too tedious. When you start the game, it should automatically generate a viable, random character. Once you hit "o" in game, it will automatically walk over to the spot next to the entrance, pick up the orb, and exit the dungeon for you to save time and key strokes. In case you ha...

Felids already can use decks with the mouth.

a - a legendary deck of wonders (in mouth)

JeffQyzt wrote:I think it's a bug though that you got a Lair entrance mimic *after* you had already entered the Lair. You should report that (and upload the save file) to Mantis.

Nope, the portals are 2 Snake Pits. One of them is a mimic. I don't think he entered the Slime Pits yet.

I like when threads are derailed because people don't get the point. Or won't.

Grimm wrote:Bucklers are a lot smaller than Cap's there.

I agree, I'd call it a full-blown shield if it weren't so crazy

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