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Code:: the +11 plate armour of Zoehoaqe (worn) {Str+2 Slay+4}

Thanks Min-Lab; this simplifies things. (DSMo of Kiku in early Lair)

Oop. Late signup. Count me in if there's room.

Thanks for running this! Enjoyed the format. Now I truly understand what a mediocre player I am. :lol:

My best D1 so far this tourney: +2 pain dagger and a +0 naga barding. Thanks to HDA for reminding me that vampiric draining spell is a thing and a great way not to die (among other nuggets of wisdom).

Butterflies. Everywhere.

Preceded by a trip on the Xom Xpress random teleport train.

High HP and a vamp executioner's axe sounds fun. Good thing it crosstrains with Polearms, so it's not completely silly to switch. PBD and vamp HP sucking will make up for some of the defenses you won't be building while getting that weapon going. And with DS in pan now, both the mutation and brand s...

Um, am I the only person who generally doesn't bother with the enslavement part and just IFs a weak enemy first (e.g., orc next to the warrior I want to kill) and one shots that? Then you IF the warrior, or something else in the flames and continue the fun... fear folks through the flames... oh it i...

I started this run to blow off some steam, expecting Xom-related doom early on. But it kept rolling, and I found myself in Zot 5 sitting next to the orb thinking "This character should be good for 15. Let's do that first." And much amusement was had (apologies for the sheer amount of Xom-s...

Here's the morgue http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Midpoint/morgue-Midpoint-20140508-165656.txt Looks like version 0.15-a0-306-gc25b449 when I ascended, which was not long after that post. Yeah, if it was buggy and using ridiculous plut-sword slaying or base damage, that would explain it. If that run was...

Okay, I've got a MiHu of Oka clearing Zot 5 at lvl 24 (was 23 when I hit Zot5), so I'm ready with some comments. # skill levels to make crossbows useful felt a lot lower, and more comparable to melee weapons. I think min-delay came at about skill 18 or so (heroism included)? Damage wasn't impressive...

Oh, new plutonium sword, you are just too much fun: You slice Asterion!! Mutagenic energy flows through the plutonium sword! Asterion evaporates and reforms as a sphinx! A vampiric demon whip. There is something else lying underneath. ... You slice Asterion!! Mutagenic energy flows through the pluto...

Re: loanable books. Some piety-level interactions could be invisible to the player but still interesting. 1) # of books allowed on loan scales with piety ('Sif Muna grants you greater access to the Library of the Arcanum'), something like ceil(*-level /2), so you get rolls for your first book at 2*,...

and two tiny. Spriggan and Felid are tiny, not small. And they manage not to play the same (although some tactics are similar), despite the game changing differences that size modifiers make. And maybe that's the real issue with Kobaflings. Size modifiers affect lots of stuff, including shields, EV...

Many of their apts match. Really? I count shortblades, armour, dodging, stealth, and throwing (we can ignore axes, inv, fire, ice, earth). If your halflings and kobolds are playing too similarly, then I'd say that says a lot about your playstyle (stabbing dodgers who evoke things to get out of trou...

'Ignition' can be quite fun too at the beginning of a battle, if you don't mind the noise.

I think I'm up for this. Count me in.

It even tells you "Think how to survive!" Awesome.

enchant scrolls (like most of the limited resources) are a balancing act. You need to use them often enough to survive, and they can have a big impact in the early dungeon, so saving is rarely the best idea. Also, after +4 enchantment on weapons, they start to fail with increasing %age. You may be b...

Last minute push, got a HaWr off the ground, decaying and gossamer runes in the bag, and racing through vaults to beat the clock. Finished clearing out the V5 welcome party, got careless going toe to, well, all of me, with a Titan. Splat. :roll: Smarter move would have been to blink dance him up the...

Yeah. I've been playing a little sloppy my last couple attempts at the dungeon. I think the RNG is daring me to find a way to lose this next one: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14.0-26-g1682e81 (webtiles) character file. Midpoint the Archer (Black Draconian Assassin) Turns: 8519, Time: 00:53:35 ...

Zin is cool, but we are talking about a Tm here (I think) which is a... trickier build with Zin.

Oh. I'll take that spot. Same name as forums.

Yup. That kept me focused. 4 runes, happy with that. Character felt viable to go for more, with the innate torment shaving, high AC and decent damage output. I had no trouble with the couple of fiends I ran into on the climb. And that vampire demon whip was absurd, if the AC/SH wasn't good enough (a...

But really, the reason I'm posting is 'what skill(s) do I focus on now?' It's a Zerker, so no choices are really bad; I'm just curious what I might be neglecting for mid -> late game survivability. My EV is terrible, but I keep hoping a ring will show up, and in the meantime other defense + regen ha...

Been a long while absent on the forums, but I thought I'd check out recent changes, really liking most stuff. And this incident was fun enough to post about it. I'm LV 7, stab/poisoning, and making my way through D6 and things are just starting to get interesting. I see a sleeping spore and peg it w...

There are some cases where it can get close (high base HP, no regen or slow healing mut, bad EV/AC skills). If you only take an extra 20 damage out of smallish HP (60), you save 100 turns. The same proportion from large HP (80 out of 240) is a savings of 160 turns. If you hit bad defensive rolls, it...

Wading through summons sounds situationally useful for melee. Nice if it let you shoot through the same summons with ranged (like the Fedhas firing through plants ability). With monsters picking up jewelry now, that could be very, ahem, interesting for a player summoner hiding behind a wall of summo...

Ah. Doubt confirmed. That's why they were all set to constant values then. Gotcha. So the effective loss of missiles over time would flatten out once you can one-shot your foes (e.g., Pan popcorn). Guess the choice really would just boil down to availability vs. strategy once you're skilled enough t...

Agree that mulching is rarely the problem (but Snow prefaced with that anyway). As for having to carry around a popcorn killer melee weapon? I dunno, I frequently do that anyway with some of my casters, so I only slightly noticed. I sort of enjoy the "you are not worthy of my bow, so eat this r...

Meh, I'm pretty happy with the status quo. I find -cTele incredibly annoying and it is already in high use between the Hell ends, Elf end, Slime end, and all of Tomb. Those conditions (except for elf) all lift after you get the rune. Plus, in Pan - rand Tele is still a viable way to escape the rune ...

Welp. That's where that ends. Death at the end of Nikola's chain lightning gun. I kept finding more and more uniques as I got deeper in the dungeon. Managed to take out Margery and her hell knights, but as I tried to flee from Nikola, he caught me around the corner with a chain lightning. Probably w...

Apparently today is a good day to finish things. Finally went into Tomb, smashed into the end of the greater mummy gauntlet. Wasn't able to get through the entrance to tomb 3 without attracting a lot of attention, so I did the haste/statue form/silence/stair dance until there was a path to the rune....

Had a lot of stupid losses lately playing locally, so I rolled a straightforward caster build. I haven't had any really successful mummies, so here we go. First few floors were a little tricky, but I picked up Ash at a D1 temple so easier times would eventually be ahead. Then came mephitic cloud, an...

Heh, I'm also playing a challenge DD. Appreciate the company. I've never done the drain farming approach to DD, so I can't help you there. I ran a DDNe who ended up playing like a EE with necromantic allies (died in Zot 5). But with Mahkleb I only used vampiric draining vicariously on living enemies...

First off, drop your enchant II and cure mutations off somewhere safe. You'll be sad to lose those. It's up to you whether to use the enchant II on your evasion sling, or save it for a sling of velocity (vorpalize a normal sling). I usually go for vorpal sling myself. You should consider going back ...

So, apparently this challenge build is actually challenging. Early levels weren't too bad, as it's a DD, and I found plate armour ridiculously early (still nothing better, even ran into a randart plate that was significantly worse). Now I'm having difficulty figuring our where to progress. The build...

I'm with evilmike – this is a misinterpretation of "one mechanic – one item." If we had enhancer short swords, enhancer maces, enhancer etc. so that they only varied in base type and in a trivial way, then we might have an issue. I don't think having different items which affect different ...

Is there a list of requested/hoped for vaults maintained somewhere? (either a thread here, or on the game design wiki?) I know I've seen requests for more vaults related to unrands, and vaults/mini-vaults to help with flavour in vaults, swamp, and crypt in other threads. Wasn't sure if there was a c...

This is probably a terrible distraction, but the thought occurred because of this thread. Why not introduce a "scroll of artifacture" or some such. Similar to a scroll of acquirement, but you apply it to an item in your inventory. Introduce probabilities for rebranding, bonus/malus, additi...

- It seems to be almost a wash (by the numbers) between eudemon and double sword, +1 base (x fighting/skill bonus, etc.) vs. .1 improved attack delay. With my ring of slaying +7, the advantage seems to go to the eudemon, but it's a pretty small difference now that slaying is applied after skill mult...

Apparently Ash's portal detection will also detect portal feature mimics. This can lead you to the middle of a Pan lord vault. Without the portal out you expected.

I don't see any good reason to trash the good parts of the game trying to kludge a location that doesn't work as well. A branch themed around slow, unsupported melee brutes that have no abilities and can't even heal is not a good one to put right at the end of the game. I think this is why some of ...

I know you're working on not-naga of chei, but you should really try a TrCK while you're splatting trolls, or at least a TrTm or TrEE of Xom. I tend to play one after big YASDs to blow off steam.

I've only run a couple late game DD, so I'm speaking from limited experience here. XP was never a problem though, so I'm curious what happened. You actually had one of the best methods (heal on kills) from TSO, but you only get it for demons/undead. Thankfully, almost everything in Pan/Hells/Tomb is...

Well, I'm not arguing against the value of controlled blink, I just can't find it ;) I'll keep that in mind about mass abj. Spell slots are at a premium right now, so it may have to wait, but I do really hate killing higher level summons for no benefit, and/or abjuring one at a time. Point about Mno...

Well. What are your goals is the really big question? Are you looking to book this three rune game or are you hoping to try some extended game content? Your switch to TSO suggests at least that you want the healing on kills for undead/demons. There's only a limited amount of undead/demons in Zot (li...

Congratulations! I'm honestly impressed that you managed to kill death yaks with such a crappy weapon! To the point, damage is far more dependent on the base damage of a weapon than the enchantment bonus (has to do with the damage multiplier due to skill). With your levels of M&F, nearly anythin...

I think the TRJ question was about jellies munching arrows. You can just use those stacks of fire/ice branded arrows that Oka probably covered the dungeon with. What mulches doesn't get eaten. That worked fine for the last archer I took to the pits.

Groan mechanic sounds interesting, but it going to need a little work. Here are the problems I see: XP of groaning zombies is going to have to be balanced. We don't want it to be optimal to wait for a ton of zombies to emerge before engaging. You may have to treat them like ballistomycetes, but this...

In one of the hullabaloo about Chei threads, a speedrun character of jeanjacques was posted. So I thought, hey, sword wielding NaGl of Ash, let's see how that plays! Early game is easy(ish, in a naga way), thanks to the starting falchion and poison spit. The effect of OP constriction can't be forgot...

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