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> The list was made with a simple algorithm with no thought of what combos are good. I don't require you to play by adversarial rules. But if I did, this wouldn't count as having skin in the game. I also don't think it's interesting to compare my list to a random one; I may as well just write about ...

> I declare that your true combos are purely subjective. Who cares? One could equally argue that a list of optimal combos is purely subjective, because the word optimal can be interpreted in different ways: optimal for beginners, intermediate or current experts, for theoretically perfect player, for...

Here's a zip of all the morgue files on my Macbook: https://ufile.io/4eas8lbv For most of that, I was playing all species in parallel, as described previously, during downtime, to discover true combos. Looks like there's a complete selection of games still current, for every species. I just got tire...

In this context, something can be considered objectively true if no reasonable alternative can be proposed. I've given three selection rules. That narrows the field quite a bit, in a fully objective way. How you interpret "true" is up to you. You could just go by .23 elite win rate. Make a...

uv4> You haven't given me any basis on which to make a list. What objective criteria would I be looking for? You are asking me to defend the objectiveness of my list against all potential challengers. No. Pick one challenger, and I will defend against that. And it has to be your challenger, so there...

> How would I go about confirming a true combo?

Here are the rules:
1. Use every species once and only once
2. Use every god
3. Use every background

Looking forward to your list.

I'm not disagreeing with your ability to streak indefinitely, Malcolm. True combo certainly means something different than optimal combo, although both are objective. It's defined above. Removing the last 1% of deaths in order to achieve indefinite streaking leads to unaesthetic play. DCSS frays at ...

Did you just create a secondary account so you could issue a rebuke without future accountability? Amazing. > I believe most people who are relatively new to the game and/or are trying to learn it consequently end up ciclying through combos and playing the early game for the most part. Sure, but tha...

Sure, I understand his motivations. I just didn't find it funny or interesting.

Nobody has said anything positive about the idea of exclusively studying DCSS' early game in order to figure out true combos. Instead there's been only demands for proof of wins. Which leads me to believe that nobody has done what I did: Play all species simultaneously, switching to the lowest XL on...

> My bad, posting at 2 AM leads to some misreading. No problem. I just wanted to emphasize the difference between , and -> in my list. > The bigger limit on conjurations is usually fail rate and skill level moreso than MP. I get the impression you're severely overrating +Cast. If you're trying to ca...

Zero. Ebering, I'm going to mute you.

It's gish. If that's genuinely your local vocabulary, it doesn't look worth adopting.

For referencing the standard builds in DCSS, I prefer warrior, mage, rogue, skirmisher, gish.

> If you're factoring in stuff like the "essence of the game" and maximal differentiation, it's kinda weird to call your list optimal since it's...really not going to be win-rate optimal. Rough drafts have mistakes. We've already established it's better to call them "true combos"...

No problem pedritolo. I think it's a legitimately confusing post for someone encountering me for the first time. > Could you explain what you mean by PIM (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_information_manager) is in this context, and how that'll help you to crack dcss's meta, as you said? Well,...

> There are multiple ways to describe repeatedly drinking or 5ing to change states, "gradually" and "immersive" are not among them. vampire /ˈvampʌɪə/ noun 1. (in European folklore) a corpse supposed to leave its grave at night to drink the blood of the living by biting their nec...

Hi Sorcerous. If you're talking about bloodless kicking VpTm out of a Form, then that's a bug. Ditto Berserk but IIRC that's fixed. Otherwise, the state changes are the point of the species. The desire of players to tab-macro spam through the game regardless of species should be taken as a symptom o...

Commenting UI on YouTube is annoying. I've written enough to establish a record of my ideas and their reception. Don't see the point in starting a blog yet. Will just go back to not publishing my notes until demo. Less work.

Testing "Two State Vampires" [Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup] Malcolm Rose Published on Apr 23, 2019 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPRRJAQI8Jo&list=WL&index=3&t=0s I hate this change, it ruins Vp. Maybe I joined DCSS just at the moment the zeal for pruning went from adaptive to pat...

GotM 2 - Gargoyle Earth Elementalist Part 3 - Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup uv4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvSPAaNOfmQ&list=WL&index=7&frags=pl%2Cwn Ok, he's playing offline due to server unavailability. @4:18 Orc High Priest and Sorcerer. I can't picture this going well. LRD no damage o...

Correction: After checking my morgue directory for this computer, which contains only two games, I noticed that this is my second attempt to beat the game. I started another HOFi Beogh "Giops" who died after polymorphing Sigmund into a Steam Dragon. YASD. It's hard to tell from the documen...

commentary on GotM 2 - Gargoyle Earth Elementalist Part 2 - Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup uv4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-7BtjE7pR8&list=WL&index=6&t=0s untrained +3 flail venom worshipping oka D5 Int 18, Str 11 XL 7.3 Should be training Maces & Flails equally with magic skills, and...

Re the question: Am I trolling? I won't deny indulging in a bit of cheekiness here and there. For example, "Zin before Lair is optimal for 1/3 of species." Before writing this, I did a quick count and came up with over 1/3, counting a few maybes as yeses. But "about 1/3" sounds w...

The Orb is a semi-sentient largely-instinctual non-human dungeon core that affects the ambient state of the Dungeon and the branches under its influence. Regen and appetite are accelerated within its influence, due to ambient mana. Beings without immunity to magical enslavement are rapidly brought u...

Another way of looking at my list: I have described it as "the essence of each species." It is also the essence of DCSS. Due to the "use every species/god/background" rule, this is a list of maximally differentiated playstyles. The current fast-play meta is biased towards an unde...

This iteration of the list was initially composed as a list of potential heresies. I forgot to re-include DD: DDAr Makleb > There's a lot of combos that, if one were to start with just the race or the background, are very poor as first picks; CK on anything, Deep Elf Wizard, Naga Venom Mage, and Dem...

> These two statements seem to be in conflict, if optimal for winrate doesn't exhaustively use all species/gods/backgrounds. For example Troll might be optimal for CK, but CK might not be optimal for Troll, or any other race. Sure. TrCK is one of the combos for which I'm least confident that the &qu...

I reckon Troll can't go good gods in extended due to hunger. According to wiki, Slimify only works on natural holiness. This means he's locked out of non-undead extended. If the only Jiyva altar is on Slime 5, TrCK will have a hard time reaching it. Hafta save up rations for a dive, or else continue...

> Your statement here is still too vague in order to actually be testable. You make some great points. However they are somewhat orthogonal to my methodology. I looked for "best fits" assuming that all species, gods and backgrounds would be used. Hence "true Troll" is TrCK -> Jiy...

Nope I'm saying TrCK is optimal, but all hypotheses are subject to proof!

Good comment, glad I delayed posting here as long as possible. I'm agnostic as to whether DCSS .23 is balanced the way it should be. You could be right. However, my operating hypothesis will be that the current meta manages Xom poorly, undervaluing his benefit for a Troll, and I will endeavor to pro...

Enough about me, let's chum the waters.

Best troll: TrCK -> Jiyva, maybe good gods for extended.

Why is TrCK > TrBe? Because Trolls are squishy and regen kite. Xom likes high-tension chases; Trogg likes toe-to-toe deathmatches.

Here seems like a reasonable place to chronicle my progress. Feedback is useful, after all! I have been urged to join the coming CSDC. Very unlikely, barring severe illness. My goal in playing DCSS is to crack the meta, then demo that during the launch of my PIM. I chose DCSS because I needed a virt...

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