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Tuesday, 14th September 2021, 15:52

Forum: Crazy Yiuf's Corner

Topic: Immolation

Replies: 3

Views: 656

Re: Immolation

Also good in those lair vaults with ALL THE BEES in one rectangular room, or other tightly packed groupings. Also quite effective against TRJ, if you can damage it at range (lig/torment or spells) and then read immo and light the fuse. Quite often you don't even need to cancel out of lig when doing ...

Tuesday, 14th September 2021, 15:08

Forum: Dungeon Crawling Advice

Topic: Draconian Transmutor

Replies: 10

Views: 2550

Re: Draconian Transmutor

Use god abilities, wands, or avoid.

If you must use a tmut, maybe even beastly appendage is better than forms that make you so easy for them to hit/hurt.

Tmut can also learn other spells and use those to kill hydras, of course.

Tuesday, 14th September 2021, 15:03

Forum: Dungeon Crawling Advice

Topic: Dealing with Malmutators

Replies: 3

Views: 769

Re: Dealing with Malmutators

Constrain LoS, kill them ASAP, and hope not to get screwed.

Sometimes an orc or w/e summons a malmutator and you can't kill it in 1 turn or break LoS easily. Best you can do is limit the chances of it happening.

Have fun in the new hell I guess?

Friday, 12th March 2021, 05:20

Forum: Crazy Yiuf's Corner

Topic: Do we really need levels like this one?

Replies: 5

Views: 1689

Re: Do we really need levels like this one?

Autoexplore murders turncount in general and is strictly less safe than experienced players doing it manually, which is a problem when discussing tedium-encouraging mechanics. I don't know how to balance this against the fact that attaining low turncounts has some genuinely very challenging aspects ...

Friday, 12th March 2021, 05:07

Forum: Dungeon Crawling Advice

Topic: Corruption has sealed off the swamp rune vault

Replies: 6

Views: 2371

Re: Corruption has sealed off the swamp rune vault

Shatter, switch to Fedhas, or perhaps most practically if you didn't kill everything inside the vault you can wear a *tele item on purpose and just wait on the floor to get in, using tele to get back out.

Friday, 12th March 2021, 05:04

Forum: Dungeon Crawling Advice

Topic: best brand for an exe axe

Replies: 7

Views: 1337

Re: best brand for an exe axe

Also as the game goes on the attractiveness of using slow ranged to take pot shots go down. Things can make willpower checks, smite/shoot at you, etc. Better to get into melee and/or get around corners to manage LoS than firing low skill launchers. If you trained up bows or xbows it's another story,...

Friday, 12th March 2021, 04:55

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: New EV function gameplay feedback/discussion

Replies: 33

Views: 4229

Re: New EV function gameplay feedback/discussion

I would like to point out that Chei skews the evasion values a lot. I took dex on every level up in this run: https://crawl.kelbi.org/crawl/morgue/TheMeInTeam/morgue-TheMeInTeam-20210309-200829.txt Obviously this was not a hard run regardless, since it was a berserker. But this is also a normal size...

Friday, 12th March 2021, 04:29

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: ?Teleport makes Monastery of Wucad Mu trivial

Replies: 1

Views: 940

Re: ?Teleport makes Monastery of Wucad Mu trivial

I don't think it matters. You can generally just walk away from the spawned monsters if you're not a naga or barachi, and they'll time out. Statue is same as things like moon troll or even hell lords...if you don't want what they're holding you can jack the loot and leave.

Friday, 12th March 2021, 04:24

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Undead Necromancers

Replies: 18

Views: 9225

Re: Undead Necromancers

Mana recovery is not high on their worries IMO. Necro as a school is in a bad place after it has been smashed by the nerf bat a few times. BVC is still a great spell despite its nerfs, if you can get it. Haunt is a reliable means of killing, but is level 7 dual school. High level necro spells are br...

Sunday, 17th May 2020, 14:59

Forum: Crazy Yiuf's Corner

Topic: Most shops are useless, okay, but this is a new low

Replies: 3

Views: 1888

Re: Most shops are useless, okay, but this is a new low

While I would also buy gloves here unless I already had them, it's hard to picture buying any of the other items.

Sunday, 17th May 2020, 14:54

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Connect magic schools with player resistances

Replies: 17

Views: 3009

Re: Connect magic schools with player resistances

I mean, I've been forced to play through runs where > 1 external source of MR was impossible before Zot (only body armor had it). I think I've had one para death in depths from that ever, after a shaft, and it wasn't inescapable (I had blink and could have chump blocked it if I were paying attention...

Sunday, 17th May 2020, 14:45

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Please stop nerfing good stuff

Replies: 6

Views: 2679

Re: Please stop nerfing good stuff

The basis given for many of the nerfs/removals wasn't that they were overpowered. In some cases the basis was nonsense, but it's not true that these things are generally being taken out because they're perceived to be too strong. At least, that's not the reasoning given for doing so in most cases. T...

Monday, 11th May 2020, 18:21

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Connect magic schools with player resistances

Replies: 17

Views: 3009

Re: Connect magic schools with player resistances

If I'm not missing something, this would allow full melee heavy armour users to get resistances with a relatively minor XP investment, and melees already require less XP to function than casters. Not sure if it's a bad thing, but incentives this would create feel a bit weird to me in general. On th...

Monday, 4th May 2020, 07:56

Forum: Dungeon Crawling Advice

Topic: Can a melee fighter defeat the Tomb?

Replies: 16

Views: 3303

Re: Can a melee fighter defeat the Tomb?

I was not intentionally lying. The sequence is different from what I recall even now. But when faced with the evidence I won't deny reality, even if I feel like a classic example of the reason eye witnesses are often bad and that feeling sucks. That said, the result is not fairly described as "...

Monday, 4th May 2020, 07:04

Forum: Dungeon Crawling Advice

Topic: What's the strategy for extended spellcaster (MuFE of Gozag)

Replies: 14

Views: 3116

Re: What's the strategy for extended spellcaster (MuFE of Go

You can bribe Tomb, yes. You'd need a lot of dosh considering the large numbers of strong stuff, but by then you probably have it.

Lugonu's actually not a bad option either. Not worth switching from Gozag, but corruption and self-banish escape are both pretty useful in tomb.

Monday, 4th May 2020, 05:27

Forum: Dungeon Crawling Advice

Topic: Can a melee fighter defeat the Tomb?

Replies: 16

Views: 3303

Re: Can a melee fighter defeat the Tomb?

I don't like the design of multi-entry into W:2. I was double-paralyzed and killed before getting a move after clearing W:1 hallway and going into a side area of W:2, which is an example of the very rare BS late game death. 100 --> 0 from chain paralysis without getting a move on the floor is very ...

Sunday, 3rd May 2020, 18:59

Forum: Dungeon Crawling Advice

Topic: Triple defense hypothesis

Replies: 24

Views: 5871

Re: Triple defense hypothesis

Sum of AC+EV+SH is a good rule of thumb. But note that EV and SH are binary: either you dodge or block or you don't. AC always shaves off melee damage. Even with heavy armor a melee char can get 30+ EV so I think it is worth investing in dodging after your stats are good enough in other skills. Tha...

Sunday, 3rd May 2020, 18:46

Forum: Dungeon Crawling Advice

Topic: What's the strategy for extended spellcaster (MuFE of Gozag)

Replies: 14

Views: 3116

Re: What's the strategy for extended spellcaster (MuFE of Go

Extended is kind of annoying now but I do have two recent 15 runes with mummies. One used Chei and cast ignition in gold scales, but we'll set that oddness aside. This was a MuIE build https://crawl.kelbi.org/crawl/morgue/TheMeInTeam/morgue-TheMeInTeam-20200120-071349.txt. Gozag is fine, you just ta...

Sunday, 3rd May 2020, 18:34

Forum: Dungeon Crawling Advice

Topic: Can a melee fighter defeat the Tomb?

Replies: 16

Views: 3303

Re: Can a melee fighter defeat the Tomb?

Pure melee with generic god is rough. But you have the XP to train SOMETHING. Any of these help a lot: - Lich form: probably the only time this feels worth using outside of zigs, 100% torment immunity on tap. - Lignification: tree form makes you a plant, and plants are also immune to torment. Works ...

Friday, 1st May 2020, 16:59

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Miscast Simplification

Replies: 33

Views: 6232

Re: Miscast Simplification

Even after nerf to horrors their risk in D:1 - D:3 is disproportionate to all melee/ranged and most other caster miscast. I had a spell with 11% fail (white color) summon a 10 damage horror on D:2 and again on D:3. This isn't out of line with rare OOD spawns of regular monsters on D:2, but most of t...

Friday, 1st May 2020, 16:42

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Issue: Flying and Shafts

Replies: 7

Views: 1666

Re: Issue: Flying and Shafts

Probably worth renaming the shaft traps. Also, these are one of those weird ones where the monster stepping on it still impacts only the monster rather than the player. IIRC the XV for these are accurate these days, but it's still a little odd to have some traps impact player when monsters step on t...

Friday, 1st May 2020, 15:56

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Follow command: bugs and improvements

Replies: 2

Views: 782

Re: Follow command: bugs and improvements

I quite like the simple rule set you suggest, for Follow. It may be a little weir when your ally stands around doing nothing occasionally, but that's probably a price worth paying. Do you think that it should be possible for allies to get 'distracted' by enemies, sometimes causing them to drop out ...

Friday, 1st May 2020, 15:48

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Proposal: Change Deck of Escape to Deck of Hex

Replies: 2

Views: 777

Re: Proposal: Change Deck of Escape to Deck of Hex

Are these MR checks? If not even gravity is pretty strong actually, and traitor is extremely strong (does it ignore hell/pan lords for example, or do these actually turn traitor :p?). Even if the top end uniques ignored it, stacking traitors could shred most rough encounters in the game. Spamming ad...

Friday, 1st May 2020, 11:28

Forum: Dungeon Crawling Advice

Topic: Triple defense hypothesis

Replies: 24

Views: 5871

Re: Triple defense hypothesis

Defensive training still has legit thresholds, in that AFAIK the game doesn't track fractional AC/EV/SH. Maybe I'm mistaken though? Dex can throw a wrench on EV scaling, too, as can size. We do see something of a pseudo step function in the graphs above. The values of these from training thresholds ...

Friday, 1st May 2020, 11:08

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Follow command: bugs and improvements

Replies: 2

Views: 782

Follow command: bugs and improvements

At present, the follow command in DCSS is bugged. It results in some unexpected and occasionally frustrating outcomes. The UI and what the game does does not align. "Follow" has a two potential meanings pertinent to the game, since we can safely conclude the game is not implying the player...

Monday, 16th March 2020, 14:42

Forum: YASD! YAVP! and characters in progress too

Topic: Streak of 30 15-runes games

Replies: 27

Views: 5508

Re: Streak of 30 15-runes games

Throwing is one of Tr's halfway decent aptitudes, and it's always strong when trained highly even w/o large rocks. With them it's very powerful. I'm still not quite sold on passing up a D:2 TSO or something when planning 15 rune. The same argument that Tr is good early should also serve to offset th...

Friday, 13th March 2020, 20:38

Forum: YASD! YAVP! and characters in progress too

Topic: Streak of 30 15-runes games

Replies: 27

Views: 5508

Re: Streak of 30 15-runes games

vt wrote:The hatches to different locations are distinguishable.


Good to know, but that's spoiler information. It's not obvious at a glance.

Friday, 13th March 2020, 17:56

Forum: YASD! YAVP! and characters in progress too

Topic: Streak of 30 15-runes games

Replies: 27

Views: 5508

Re: Streak of 30 15-runes games

*Tele doesn't save you much, since the exact thing that happens on going down the hatch can also happen as a consequence of the teleport (there are blink and zot traps in W:1 corridors too). In both cases a majority of the floor can be cleared in advance to give you reasonable odds with teleport scr...

Thursday, 12th March 2020, 19:58

Forum: YASD! YAVP! and characters in progress too

Topic: Streak of 30 15-runes games

Replies: 27

Views: 5508

Re: Streak of 30 15-runes games

I'm well aware that you only get one "grace move" on entering a floor the first time. Like I said, I cleared W:2 ambush, did the W:1 corridors, then went back to W:2. Unless you have shatter, it is impossible to progress in Tomb without doing this. Rings of *tele still worked last time I ...

Thursday, 12th March 2020, 16:12

Forum: YASD! YAVP! and characters in progress too

Topic: Streak of 30 15-runes games

Replies: 27

Views: 5508

Re: Streak of 30 15-runes games

Yeah, I'm referring to post-penetration javelins. I had a Dg 15 rune recently that full-cleared Tomb using combination of lig, thrown javelins, and immolation. I'm well aware that you only get one "grace move" on entering a floor the first time. Like I said, I cleared W:2 ambush, did the W...

Wednesday, 11th March 2020, 18:24

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Amnesia trap

Replies: 7

Views: 1948

Re: Amnesia trap

Only if it replaces blink or zot traps lol. Otherwise no thanks.

Wednesday, 11th March 2020, 15:37

Forum: Crazy Yiuf's Corner

Topic: Vampire/dream sheep bug?

Replies: 6

Views: 2289

Re: Vampire/dream sheep bug?

Dream dust's messaging is ambiguous as to how the dust works. But both "visual effect" and "inhalation" work with the messages. In crawl-lore, the dust could have two methods of working. Even if it does, those methods should count consistently rather than only sometimes. There m...

Tuesday, 10th March 2020, 19:30

Forum: YASD! YAVP! and characters in progress too

Topic: Streak of 30 15-runes games

Replies: 27

Views: 5508

Re: Streak of 30 15-runes games

I had first death in a long time in W from a zot trap recently. I got blink + paralyzed the moment I went back into W:2 after clearing ambush areas + hallways of W:1. According to the death log sequence I got paralyzed back to back w/o getting a chance to move, which I thought wasn't supposed to hap...

Tuesday, 10th March 2020, 19:24

Forum: Crazy Yiuf's Corner

Topic: Vampire/dream sheep bug?

Replies: 6

Views: 2289

Re: Vampire/dream sheep bug?

le_nerd wrote:As everyone knows, magical sleep powder doesn't work over the lungs. It works over the eyes.
by sprinkling magical sand onto their eyes.
from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandman


That would still leave it inconsistent, however, given how this effect interacts with other species.

Tuesday, 10th March 2020, 19:22

Forum: Dungeon Crawling Advice

Topic: New Leech

Replies: 17

Views: 3965

Re: New Leech

If Eos out-damages a branded +9 eveningstar, would that have to be down to the increased accuracy from the halo? That or the +1 slaying lol. In all likelihood, it's the electric damage that would make Eos competitive with an eveningstar rather than the other stuff. It's also nice to have a source o...

Tuesday, 10th March 2020, 19:20

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Remove confusing touch

Replies: 76

Views: 12970

Re: Remove confusing touch

I did VpEn not long ago, I still use EH early then ignore it. Too unreliable to get the hex to stick compared to CT and mephitic cloud. Sleep stabs are stronger than confuse stabs obviously, but after you're past the "low AC near hydras" phase confused stuff is functionally useless against...

Tuesday, 10th March 2020, 16:11

Forum: Dungeon Crawling Advice

Topic: New Leech

Replies: 17

Views: 3965

Re: New Leech

Yeah agreed, Eos does good damage. (Some very quick and dirty fsimming makes me skeptical that you can be confident that "You will do better with +9 eveningstar." I'm assuming a weapon brand of some decent variety for the eveningstar of course. It's hard for unbranded stuff to match elec ...

Friday, 6th March 2020, 14:43

Forum: Dungeon Crawling Advice

Topic: New Leech

Replies: 17

Views: 3965

Re: New Leech

*Rage can proc off ripostes IIRC, so using leech always carries that danger. Unless immune to berserk I'd probably use a regular +9 branded demon blade in most cases. I don't like weapons that are "better most of the time but can put you in awful situations rarely". Not when a regular weap...

Tuesday, 3rd March 2020, 16:01

Forum: Dungeon Crawling Advice

Topic: Extended Gods besides Mak/TSO/Veh?

Replies: 20

Views: 6755

Re: Extended Gods besides Mak/TSO/Veh?

"No god" is usually accepted as a god choice, and the intention was to demonstrate means to clear extended (almost) regardless of god choice. Magic oriented builds will fare better in many cases. Obviously w/o heal on kill it's more tedious, but you can still rest in hell in small rooms. H...

Monday, 2nd March 2020, 15:57

Forum: Dungeon Crawling Advice

Topic: Triple defense hypothesis

Replies: 24

Views: 5871

Re: Triple defense hypothesis

Not only is it more skill efficient to round out your defenses, its actually better defensively too. If you've ever played a character with like 50 AC and single digit EV, you will notice extreme vulnerability to bolt spells and such. Not that extreme since, while you'll get hit a lot, your 50 AC w...

Monday, 2nd March 2020, 15:50

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Proposal: Alternative hydra head-chopping mechanic

Replies: 11

Views: 2210

Re: Proposal: Alternative hydra head-chopping mechanic

Damage brand absolutely matters for other monsters. They check resists, and they also check things like demonic/undead or "chaotic" (vulnerable to silver). There is also a "cold blooded species slowed by freeze brand", which includes numerous monsters and one player species. I wo...

Friday, 28th February 2020, 23:22

Forum: Dungeon Crawling Advice

Topic: finally figured out how to do vaults 5

Replies: 15

Views: 3017

Re: finally figured out how to do vaults 5

Speaking of alternatives, having some variety in the general layout rather than just the quadrants would be cool actually. While I disagree with people favoring vaults 5 over slime in most cases (unless their rationale is something other than "vaults 5 is easier"), V:5 is still the most co...

Friday, 28th February 2020, 19:04

Forum: Crazy Yiuf's Corner

Topic: Vampire/dream sheep bug?

Replies: 6

Views: 2289

Vampire/dream sheep bug?

I think player vampires have a bugged interaction with dream sheep. Allegedly, vampires don't need to breath. In most cases, the game upholds that. You can walk through mephitic clouds w/o rPois, and water elemental engulf gets greyed. However, unlike other unbreathing species Vp still gets put to s...

Friday, 28th February 2020, 18:58

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Rethinking orc battlecry

Replies: 15

Views: 3337

Re: Rethinking orc battlecry

Warriors with might still hit pretty hard on many builds, if you allow them to do so. Regular orcs not so much. I'd also be in favor of removing the really weak orcs after a while, for the same reason the game already phases out other weak monsters. We don't see plain sky beasts or phantoms in the v...

Friday, 28th February 2020, 18:43

Forum: Dungeon Crawling Advice

Topic: finally figured out how to do vaults 5

Replies: 15

Views: 3017

Re: finally figured out how to do vaults 5

About the outer ring, one big demerit is that you can escape hatch directly into it, which demotes probably the best fight in the game to a depths enclosure vault. The lanes have roughly the same problem, though they're more exposed and open. Of course these issues apply to teleports too. In genera...

Friday, 28th February 2020, 18:34

Forum: Dungeon Crawling Advice

Topic: Extended Gods besides Mak/TSO/Veh?

Replies: 20

Views: 6755

Re: Extended Gods besides Mak/TSO/Veh?

Did a 15 rune with Dg recently, even though I went the brainlet route and invested points into strength: https://crawl.kelbi.org/crawl/morgue/TheMeInTeam/morgue-TheMeInTeam-20200224-024000.txt With low spellpower and access to the good tloc spells I went for those, since they are very useful and mos...

Wednesday, 26th February 2020, 17:27

Forum: Dungeon Crawling Advice

Topic: What gives you mutations in Tomb?

Replies: 5

Views: 1548

Re: What gives you mutations in Tomb?

Yeah any of spell failure, cBlink/haste/invis, and zot traps can add contam. Contam isn't common from zot traps but with death scarabs blitzing around all over the place they can trip a lot of effects on you if you're not careful. Usually you can cBlink twice and still haste w/o getting to yellow co...

Tuesday, 25th February 2020, 20:30

Forum: Dungeon Crawling Advice

Topic: finally figured out how to do vaults 5

Replies: 15

Views: 3017

Re: finally figured out how to do vaults 5

Ru, Qazlal, Chei, Beogh, Gozag, Lugonu also have options that make stairdancing/staying near stairs viable. Okawaru too, if you trained throwing and have javelins (you can just massacre wardens with them quickly using finesse). Big AoE magic/stuff that kills fast would work too. For tanks immolation...

Tuesday, 25th February 2020, 18:08

Forum: Dungeon Crawling Advice

Topic: finally figured out how to do vaults 5

Replies: 15

Views: 3017

Re: finally figured out how to do vaults 5

There are multiple ways depending on spells, god abilities, and consumables available. Sometimes you can just straight up kill vault wardens so you don't need to blink/TP anywhere.

Tuesday, 25th February 2020, 17:41

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Remove the id game (new reason)

Replies: 58

Views: 32605

Re: Remove the id game (new reason)

I wouldn't call that a mechanic, so I find this line of argument unconvincing. Using equipment untrained vs trained is part of the game's mechanics, and it's true that opting to use untrained stuff is legit viable early (consider slings, thrown stones, poison darts, etc) while late game it's much l...
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