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Saturday, 13th July 2019, 20:08

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Smooth out Naga AC bonus and give Mummy some

Replies: 5

Views: 812

Re: Smooth out Naga AC bonus and give Mummy some

Thinking about nagas as a species I'd agree that they start out weaker than average and end up stronger, and I'm glad bel came through with actual numbers to show this. My general opinion is that species should maintain around the same relative difficulty (i.e. even if the game becomes easier, minot...

Wednesday, 10th July 2019, 15:39

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: no random stat gain pls.

Replies: 41

Views: 4908

Re: no random stat gain pls.

In 1., human is now biased towards strength because it gets it first. The current system doesn't have this problem. In 2., now players can figure out which stat(s) they'll get next by looking at which stats they've already gotten, which is extra work. The current system doesn't have this problem. 1...

Wednesday, 10th July 2019, 15:12

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Remove the id game (new reason)

Replies: 56

Views: 5991

Re: Remove the id game (new reason)

My main point was that picking which identified consumable to use is an important decision making skill that's relevant throughout the game, and that the ID game is not only a weak gameplay decision but is a gameplay decision (rather than Russian roulette) if and only if the player has spoiler knowl...

Tuesday, 9th July 2019, 23:02

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: no random stat gain pls.

Replies: 41

Views: 4908

Re: no random stat gain pls.

By +2/+2/+2 I meant +2 str, +2 int, +2 dex by level 27, not changing the interval. The level-to-level implementation doesn't matter as much, but I see two obvious ways of doing it. 1. Follow a set pattern, like str>int>dex, for something like Human 04: +1 str 08: +1 int 12: +1 dex 16: +1 str 20: +1 ...

Tuesday, 9th July 2019, 21:52

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: no random stat gain pls.

Replies: 41

Views: 4908

Re: no random stat gain pls.

There doesn't seem to be a flavor argument for choosing all stat gains, as if anything species-based stat gains increase flavor. Crawl leans heavily on the idea that in the long term species has the strongest effect on gameplay. A DEFi picking strength every 3 levels (the strongest+dumbest deep elf)...

Tuesday, 9th July 2019, 03:04

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Remove the id game (new reason)

Replies: 56

Views: 5991

Re: Remove the id game (new reason)

Identification mini game isn't such a one dimensional annoyance that it should be removed. It tests players' decision making in the early game. You need to prioritize what to identify and leverage the RNG and decide if using an unidentified consumable is the play to make and when to make it. The ID...

Wednesday, 3rd July 2019, 20:06

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: no random stat gain pls.

Replies: 41

Views: 4908

Re: no random stat gain pls.

Thinking about it, I have to agree with the OP. First, races with fixed stat gain (HO, Og, Tr, Gh, Ha, and DE) are arguments against random stat gain, as these races work fine without it. Second, the argument that a human manually pumping int will always make a perfectly acceptable wizard regardless...

Monday, 1st July 2019, 18:21

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Power spiral

Replies: 23

Views: 3852

Re: Power spiral

This seems like the opposite, as strong characters are much better at killing everything in a level while exploration is something of an equalizer. A minotaur will never need to ninja a rune, but the fact that you don't need to kill everything on the level is always on the table for felids. Stealth ...

Monday, 24th June 2019, 12:22

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Remove spell hunger

Replies: 7

Views: 1093

Re: Remove spell hunger

DMsl isn't cast enough for spell hunger to be a meaningful effect, especially when compared to conjurations which are cast multiple times per encounter. I'd say the only reason for spell hunger to exist right now is that it gives a reason to cast lower level spells (e.g. throw flame if you can cast ...

Wednesday, 22nd May 2019, 05:57

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: As a new player, dungeon feels too long

Replies: 42

Views: 5442

Re: As a new player, dungeon feels too long

Dungeon is probably my favorite branch of the game. There's a lot of variety (instead of a few gimmicks like the lair branches or Orc), and it's not Oops, All Bullshit like Depths. In my mind I tend to sort it into pre-Lair (10 and below) and post-Lair (10+). On the later levels you can start to see...

Monday, 20th May 2019, 04:21

Forum: Dungeon Crawling Advice

Topic: So, uh, FeBe?

Replies: 33

Views: 3144

Re: So, uh, FeBe?

If you look at the top players this week, pretty much all of them spend the first 1-3 XLs training stealth exclusively. The tournament page seems to be down right now but IIRC it was similar but slightly less pronounced with last week's KoGl challenge. I'd say that if you aren't planning to use armo...

Wednesday, 17th April 2019, 17:54

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Is this supposed to be fun?

Replies: 46

Views: 5875

Re: Is this supposed to be fun?

teaching the player that running away is a viable option, without actually splatting them, seems like it's worth a monster This is definitely true. However, as a new-ish player, it didn't really do that for me. Any attempts to run weren't really successful and I always end up fighting them and bein...

Tuesday, 16th April 2019, 18:40

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Remove ice cave freezing clouds

Replies: 9

Views: 1807

Re: Remove ice cave freezing clouds

It's a good suggestion. The freezing clouds can do a lot of damage, but they're just an uncomplicated rC+ check with no tactical play, especially because the squares aren't marked.

Ice caves are already the deadliest of the Lair portals so removing the freezing clouds won't hurt.

Tuesday, 16th April 2019, 15:35

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Cool, good, swamp rework

Replies: 19

Views: 2323

Re: Cool, good, swamp rework

I've always felt that Swamp is a more solid design than Shoals. It's a synthesis of narrative theme (a swampy environment) and mechanical effects (you have to use land effectively to avoid getting bogged down). Shoals has a bunch of weird RNG mechanics (the constantly shifting water level), an empha...

Monday, 8th April 2019, 20:04

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Stairs should be more interesting in rune branches

Replies: 13

Views: 1423

Re: Stairs should be more interesting in rune branches

FR: Replace down/up stairs in The Snake Pit with snakes and ladders

Thursday, 28th March 2019, 16:28

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Is this supposed to be fun?

Replies: 46

Views: 5875

Re: Is this supposed to be fun?

Personally, as a player I have always liked the imp archetype of being a monster that causes you trouble in ways other than merely being a physical threat or damage sponge as 99% of monsters are. I remember when I first started out in Crawl and encountered imps, and realized I was dealing with a mo...

Thursday, 21st March 2019, 00:50

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Is this supposed to be fun?

Replies: 46

Views: 5875

Re: Is this supposed to be fun?

- Grants a massive amount of XP, more than an iron imp and over four times as much as a white or shadow imp That's very, very, very unexpected, especially since my experience with "call imp" gave me the impression that the spell was built around the concept that red imps are the weakest o...

Wednesday, 20th March 2019, 15:58

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Is this supposed to be fun?

Replies: 46

Views: 5875

Re: Is this supposed to be fun?

The crimson imp has three problems: - Incredible defenses (more EV than any other imp, more HP than any non-iron imp, the ability to regenerate, and blinking) - Almost no power to kill the player (apart from the rare case of spawning with a wand) - Grants a massive amount of XP, more than an iron im...

Tuesday, 12th February 2019, 19:53

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Demigod stat growth

Replies: 10

Views: 1500

Re: Demigod stat growth

Crawl follows a fairly consistent policy that most sources of power have hard or soft caps. Character level caps at 27, skills cap at 27 (and give less after you hit min delay or a low failure chance), you can get better artifact equipment but at a certain point it becomes "more fitting to my b...

Tuesday, 12th February 2019, 19:40

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: New type of tournament ?

Replies: 26

Views: 15644

Re: New type of tournament ?

I don't think it's a good fit for the existing tournaments, but I'd love to see something like Crypt of the Necrodancer Online Racing (CoNDOR) or A Link to the Past Randomizer Racing, basically a split screen with 2-4 people running at once. I don't think Crawl is as suited as those games as it's no...

Thursday, 20th September 2018, 17:51

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Species Proposal: Yokkaso

Replies: 46

Views: 6016

Re: Species Proposal: Yokkaso

The immediate mechanical problem with MP return is that with skilled play (i.e. the simple rule of not fighting below 50% HP) it might as well just be +30-60% MP, and a straight MP buff is much easier for a new player to understand than a random chance of return based on health. I get that this migh...

Monday, 10th September 2018, 19:41

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Remove Summoner Kill Experience Penalty

Replies: 44

Views: 5579

Re: Remove Summoner Kill Experience Penalty

Is "pure summoner" an archetype that should be supported in Crawl? Is standing back and summoning waves of creatures for every fight interesting gameplay? Crawl doesn't have pure invokers, pure charmers, pure translocators, or pure evokers to name a few despite these being very strong scho...

Monday, 10th September 2018, 19:30

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Proposal: Gnoll should be "simple" race

Replies: 18

Views: 3267

Re: Proposal: Gnoll should be "simple" race

Gnolls don't belong in simple and humans definitely don't. Playing gnoll well means having a mastery of all of the game's systems instead of just one. It means optimizing from every armour/weapon encountered and every spell found to make up for not excelling in any one particular area. It can make f...

Tuesday, 21st August 2018, 19:38

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Tournament rules can cause health problems

Replies: 67

Views: 10109

Re: Tournament rules can cause health problems

My hypothesis is that after a certain point time invested starts giving diminishing returns in terms of both rank and raw score. It is written in rules. 1) There is a severe stepdown for combo points. For example, top 2 players from last tournament: 7187 Total 2656 Adjusted Total 4298 Total 2138 Ad...

Monday, 20th August 2018, 18:12

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Tournament rules can cause health problems

Replies: 67

Views: 10109

Re: Tournament rules can cause health problems

I think the simplest way to do this would be a flat time limit (i.e. scoring stops after x total hours logged in eligible games). It would be the easiest to implement, easiest to explain, and wouldn't penalize any particular play schedule as it has the same effect on someone who binges on the weeken...

Monday, 30th April 2018, 23:08

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Goldify manuals

Replies: 17

Views: 2317

Re: Goldify manuals

The problem is that inventory choice for potions and scrolls is either a no-brainer or trivially decided by character build. Think about how much time is spent playing inventory tetris versus how rarely you die due to not having a specific item in your inventory. Some consumables operate entirely at...

Sunday, 29th April 2018, 01:38

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Goldify manuals

Replies: 17

Views: 2317

Re: Goldify manuals

This is a good change.

Other things we should goldify:
Food
Ammo (other than throwing)
Scrolls
Potions
Wands

Basically goldify anything that doesn't have unique modifiers

Sunday, 22nd April 2018, 08:22

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: make DD healing cost 1 max HP

Replies: 13

Views: 1900

Re: make DD healing cost 1 max HP

I'm not sure how 'lack of natural regeneration' is fundamentally contradictory to any perceived tactical focus. Regeneration, itself, is a fundamentally strategic concern, the amount of hps you naturally regen during combat isn't usually relevant at all. I mean you might have legitimate concerns ab...

Sunday, 22nd April 2018, 05:04

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: make DD healing cost 1 max HP

Replies: 13

Views: 1900

Re: make DD healing cost 1 max HP

Honestly, Deep Dwarf's lack of natural healing is so fundamentally contradictory to the game philosophy's focus on the tactical layer that the only real fix is to remove or radically rework them.

Wednesday, 18th April 2018, 20:36

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Demigod Reform

Replies: 29

Views: 4346

Re: Demigod Reform

I think duvessa nailed the issue. Let's compare demigod to human. On D:1, ++ A demigod has 34 total stat points, 42% more than human's 24 = Excluding zealots no one has gods or piety = Mediocre aptitudes don't have a significant effect on low-level characters = Experience modifiers don't have a sign...

Saturday, 14th April 2018, 01:10

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Merge Minotaur and Hill Orc into Mountain Dwarf

Replies: 17

Views: 3049

Re: Merge Minotaur and Hill Orc into Mountain Dwarf

Any change that removes minotaurs should definitely contain a new unrandart hat, The +2 horns {Horns 2, Headbutt}.

Wednesday, 11th April 2018, 21:24

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Demigod Reform

Replies: 29

Views: 4346

Re: Demigod Reform

Overall I'd say demigod is mostly in a good place. "No gods" is the most elegant species drawback in the game, and it's no wonder everyone wants to rework demigods in order to steal it. Combined with stats it makes for an interesting but easy to understand character concept--through your p...

Saturday, 7th April 2018, 04:23

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Merge Minotaur and Hill Orc into Mountain Dwarf

Replies: 17

Views: 3049

Re: Merge Minotaur and Hill Orc into Mountain Dwarf

What about Beogh? It would make more sense to merge Minotaurs into Orcs to keep Beogh. In this proposal everything that used to be Orcish is now Dwarven. So you watch out for dwarven priests on D:3, take gold from the dwarven mine, and can recruit a dwarven adventuring party by worshipping Beogh, g...

Friday, 6th April 2018, 21:48

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Cleansing fire upon species list

Replies: 32

Views: 4196

Re: Cleansing fire upon species list

ololoev wrote:
cliffracer wrote:MD merge for HO and Mi

This makes sense both in terms of gameplay and because of how epic will it be!
For years people whined: "MD was removed, get MD back!", and now it's here!


I meant "merge HO into Mi like MD was merged into HO", but your idea is much better.

thread

Friday, 6th April 2018, 21:42

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Merge Minotaur and Hill Orc into Mountain Dwarf

Replies: 17

Views: 3049

Merge Minotaur and Hill Orc into Mountain Dwarf

One of the issues brought up in the delete everything thread is that there's significant overlap between Minotaur and Hill Orc. A HO built for heavy melee is almost indistinguishable from a similarly built Mi, and Mi will almost always build for heavy armour as they have abysmal intelligence and mag...

Friday, 6th April 2018, 00:26

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Cleansing fire upon species list

Replies: 32

Views: 4196

Re: Cleansing fire upon species list

Discussing 9 races at once is just too broad. There are actually 16 races on trial at once here. In order of mention: Ba, Ha, HO, Hu, Ko, Mf, Og, Te, Vp (ololoev) DE (Nordlicht) Mi (Shtopit) Gh, VS (bhauth) Ce, Fe (Shtopit) DD (Octopode-monk-of-XOM) Joking aside I am finding this airing of grievanc...

Thursday, 5th April 2018, 20:45

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Cleansing fire upon species list

Replies: 32

Views: 4196

Re: Cleansing fire upon species list

Keep Merfolk is a textbook on how to design a species using aptitudes. You have great melee apts and good magic apts, but you can't go pure melee due to an abysmal armour apt and can't go pure caster due to a bad conjurations apt. The spread of high apts defrays the XP splitting of hybridization ju...

Thursday, 5th April 2018, 20:35

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Vampires suck/vampire rework thread

Replies: 28

Views: 3917

Re: Vampires suck/vampire rework thread

The big question, from both a mechanics and flavor perspective, is what do vampires do? - Fangs, which like most flavor mutations work pretty well - Bat transformation, which complements the hexer gameplay style by providing a needed escape mechanism - Blood drinking, which is a fundamental part of ...

Thursday, 5th April 2018, 01:36

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Sif Muna Rework

Replies: 29

Views: 4300

Re: Sif Muna Rework

I like Sif. In some contexts I think she's even better than Vehumet. Sif is more of a generalist, but the less obvious difference is that while Vehumet rewards momentum by allowing the player to spend MP to gain MP, Sif offers more options for dealing with running out, both by giving MP (divine ener...

Thursday, 15th March 2018, 01:50

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Species Proposal - Faerie Dragon

Replies: 189

Views: 28515

Re: Species Proposal - Faerie Dragon

Of the current races I'd say there are three archetypes for newbie casters: the wizard (DE), the reaver (Te), and the tanky caster (Dr and Gr). DE has the most int (on average 8-10 more than the others) and the widest variety of spellcasting aptitudes. An elf can cast anything they find with minimal...

Wednesday, 14th March 2018, 00:50

Forum: Game Design Discussion

Topic: Species Proposal - Faerie Dragon

Replies: 189

Views: 28515

Re: Species Proposal - Faerie Dragon

If the character is squishy and has to manage MP eventually I could see difficulty arising because it's better to teach how to handle these things on D:1 than L:1. MP discounts making low level spells into cantrips is an interesting idea but I'm not sure if it makes a race easier to win with. I'd co...

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