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If the goal of the summons exp penalty is to send a message to the player that they should hybridize, shouldn't the game do a better job sending this message? Here was my experience: **Be a newish player, play some Summoner background games** Me: "Man, summoner is really hard. I feel really wea...

Sprucery wrote:Counter proposal: increase the xp penalty for summons and remove the 't' command (or only leave the command for attacking a selected monster).

If this isn't a troll response, can you explain why this would would improve the game?

Is it not possible to balance the output power of summons so that the current (or any proposed) tradeoff is not necessary?

The description for Demigod was never accurate. The mechanics of Demigod were designed well, to make a proper Demigod going by the definition of the word. Maybe there was some confusion with the description of Demigod, maybe it was based in Forgotten Realm lore. Maybe only the description needed to...

The thing I like about Digging is giving players opportunities to feel clever and make their own path, quite literally. What I don't like about digging is its potency as a combat/tactical tool. If it took 5 turns to dig, and/or it only dug one tile per charge, I think I'd like it more overall. As fo...

It would work as a background only if we changed the definition. Right now backgrounds are just starting kits - they're the stuff you enter the dungeon with. The only permanent part is a few stats, and there are none that do a big rules change like this one would.

I played to about XL 15 last night. It's a pretty radical departure from the way things normally work, but so far it seems like a fun gimmick. I do have some concerns, one of which is determining whether or not this is an appropriate gimmick for a species. Maybe it is, but even if it's not, there's ...

Are there any stats available for how many worshipers of Vehumet memorize at least one level 1-2 spell offered? If we remove low level gifts and lower the total number offered, would that just be an overall nerf? You won't even have the option in the uncommon circumstances where they're good (like g...

the optimal play with Chei passives will frequently be to keep your "piety" at 0 so that you don't get slowed. That is obviously bad. Maybe a different slow movement penalty than Chei's would work, but adopting Chei's directly won't. I agree that would be bad, but being at 0 piety doesn't...

People quitscum Ds a lot, and Dr a moderate amount, so having a few passives that cause many people to insta-quit isn't a problem. If there are active unlocks that cause quitting that might be a problem though. I'd modify this to say, "having a few passives that cause many a few people to inst...

Well it's too late! I already went and won mine locally. (I might play another) After what I swear was 2 or 3 failures (yet somehow there's only one death on my highscores list?) I finally got a FD to find statue form at an appropriate point in the game, and switched over to melee. Having 0 unarmed...

hong: Are not the versions of Fairy Dragon and Demigod combined in the plan? Realz: Hmm Realz: I made them separate, so that Crawl developers can take what they want Realz: I can combine, if you want? hong: yes, i wanted it. and my players too. hong: demigod is good for old user, and fairy dragon i...

I've updated the release on github, including pushing the branch, so the source code is available if that's your thing. There's also a console version available, if that's your thing =) Notable changes (besides bug fixes): - XL milestones for origin reveals changed from 5/10/15 to 5/9/13. - 2 more g...

Huh. Probably not you then? No, definitely me, just something I hadn't accounted for previously. First crash log: Awesome, thank you. I was able to figure out what was going on, compiled and tested a fix that is hopefully sufficient. I'll post a new build with this (and some other changes!) sometim...

My specific tweak suggestion is to not slow you when you inherit Chei passives, and to not give you -10% HP when you inherit Hep passives, because those penalties are not part of the individual powers themselves. Alternatively, inherit all of the gods' conducts rather than just Hep's and part of Ch...

Random quick thoughts: Getting passives at level 5 and reworking your build around it is pretty fun. It's common to get an active you have very little use for, e.g. minor destruction on many ranged builds, or lesser servant on my summon specced DgWz. It's also common to get something that's useful ...

Including Ru in the list is a bit weird, I agree about that. It is at least a little weird, and originally I didn't have anything Ru included because I dismissed anything that didn't come from a normal piety system. Gods like Uskayaw and Gozag are very far off the beaten path and their abilities do...

But why are Chei and Hep's conducts/penalties included in their passives for this species, but the rest of the gods' aren't? It was a judgement call on my part based on my sense that these penalties are part of the individual powers themselves. It's the same reason I wouldn't remove the Slow effect...

I submit that Chei's popularity is because of people being attracted to Chei's abilities, not Chei's slowness. Otherwise I'd expect nagas to be a lot more popular. Inheriting Chei's passives on this race gives you the slowness but not the abilities. It might be, but I doubt it. I think it's all abo...

cjo - thank you for your feedback! Conveying how it felt, what you liked, what you didn't like... is very helpful. Here's some commentary on parts that stuck out to me. Getting Qazal was both very cool and really awful--I rarely choose Qazal and so I'm not adept at managing the noise. I liked gettin...

@Realz, where are you at in terms of wanting reactions to the divine abilities? How did you choose which abilities to work with? Super interested in feedback, both gut reactions and especially playtesting feedback. I would be very surprised if these lists represent the exact end state. The short ve...

Species musings: I do not have any fleshed out pitches yet, but for those who want to help, here are the directions I've thought about so far that may have some merit (or even if they're bad, maybe they shake loose a better idea for you!). "Trickster" The "trickster" is a common-...

Well, there is one extremely subtle difference between ogres and demigods, one that is not present between ogres and high elves. It's very subtle so I can see why you missed it. Specifically, if you look really carefully at the two species for long enough, you'll see that ogres can worship a god an...

That's like asking how current Mummy is meaningfully different from a Human who doesn't drink potions or berserk. Poison immunity, Negative energy immunity, Torment immunity, Mutation immunity, rC+, rF-, no Hunger/Spell Hunger, Necromancy spell power boosts. I think those have more meaningful gamep...

Great idea! It's very intriguing. I am keen to play it. Have you pushed the source code? I only see a single commit for the skeleton implementation. If you could push the code (ideally to a separate branch from FD to simplify testing, but it's not a big deal) that would be great. I haven't yet, but...

Your new demigod is actually offspring of three gods and (presumably) a human—perhaps call it the Demisemigod? :) This actually fits under the current Demigod description just fine (I didn't change the first part of the species description at all, that's what it already is). I don't have a good ide...

Dazliare - You may very well be right about it being better as a new species. But I disagree that the current Dg paradigm is a good fantasy match, for any reason other than inertia (aka, it should stay the way it is because that's how it has been, and change is painful). Imagine explaining how Crawl...

Im having compatibility issues on my 32 bit pc (ancient piece of junk that I only keep around for retro gaming/rougelikes), could you release a 32 bit version? Btw I got sent here by UltraViolent4, your Fairie Dragon/Demigod looked super cool, now if only I can actually play it ;) No idea how to do...

PlatinumSpider wrote:It's buggy, for me at least. Most tiles are just white, can't see what's going on.

Hmm, I downloaded the client I posted and it works for me. Not sure what to tell you. It's a windows executable... are you on windows?

monkeytor wrote:How do you gain piety? Does it depend on which god powers you get?

Realz wrote:Piety is gained the same as the standard just-kill-stuff gods like makhleb/qazlal, but you start the game with 'yourself' (kind of like a zealot background) at 0 piety.

For Chei's passive powers, does it also make you slower? If it makes you slower, is there some scale, or do you just jump to ****** Chei slowness/stats at level 5? Scales with Piety just like it does with Chei, both for the slow amount and corresponding stat boost amount (the more piety you have, t...

Greetings! (EDIT: I've updated the post to reflect the CURRENT version.) I've been working for a while on a Demigod redesign. The details of the paper design have already gone through many revisions, landing currently at the playtest version represented here. DOWNLOAD AND PLAY HERE! --> https://gith...

Thank you to everyone who participated, and very especially THANK YOU! to those who playtested and provided gameplay feedback. I had planned on another revision (just some implementation cleanup, removal of flying EV bonus, and dropping UC from 0 to -1), but I probably won't worry about it at this p...

I've seen many circumstances where players are saddened when they learn that shielding reduces chance to riposte. It's certainly a matter of perception because the actual impact is minimal and not worth worrying about, but people worry anyways because it's an aspect of the game that feels like a pun...

I have no sense of how much work this is... but can't we just roll both block and dodge? If you roll success for block AND dodge, then you block and can riposte. If you roll success for block but not dodge, then you block but cannot riposte. If you roll success for dodge but not block, then you dodg...

FYI there are those on the devteam who think that the solution here is to slow piety growth for other gods to be more like sif, not to buff sif. I'm not opposed to nerfing other gods if it's deemed necessary, but I imagine the intent is not to take them all the way down to Sif's nearly one-third st...

Greetings! I would love to see changes to Sif Muna. Sif Muna has some high points, but could stand to have existing abilities adjusted. And I think it's worth at least considering adding something, perhaps a new active ability, that helps make Sif more mechanically distinct from the laser-focused an...

duvessa wrote:Alternatively, you could keep the AoE nature of it and make it quiet or silent.

"Flashfreeze"

Huh. Having learned glaciate and used it, I never realized its damage depended on range, I just thought it was kind of a crappy spell. This was my experience as well. My gut reaction was to want the simple solution of making damage the same at any range... but I think that mostly came from the easy...

I just started a 1.8 game, my fist since 1.3, and the first thing I noticed is the removal of using tab for casting my lvl 1 spell. Was this intentional? I found it to be a pretty nice feature in my other games and would love to see it back. This is a custom setting (that I had unintentionally enab...

I've been watching people play and reading lots of feedback, and playing a bunch myself... I've done another minor balance pass and released a new version (1.8 on the 'releases' github link in the OP). I'm going to slow down with noodling from here until I've collected much more feedback on this ver...

I've updated the 1.6 release download to include the fix mrob noted - thanks!

Hopefully those who are mid-run can just re-dl and copy their saves/morgue folders over.

You're not the only person to report this so I'm going to assume it was something I did until I know with certainty it's not... so, thanks, and I'll look into it when I get a chance tonight.

Ah yes Tumalu, I forgot to mention in that list of changes that the natural level-up stat bonus was changed to random Int/Dex instead of always Int, which combined with a DE's ability to wear Archmagi and greater ease of using an enhancer staff, should still give them the higher outside potential fo...

Sounds good, gonna try hungerless. I'm not certain outright removal is ideal over some kind of reduction (citing my earlier intention to not "bait-and-switch" players), but that's a great direction regardless. Removing the skill outright is interesting, but that might really be too much of...

Heya Bel, I find myself agreeing with almost everything you say and I put weight on your opinion, which is why it's a bit disheartening that you then come to different, heavily negative conclusions from it. Speaking to this recent reply, you point out the ways in which DE is a fantastic species, and...

While the species having good EV is fine, it's just that small+tengu flight scales too strongly. It grants +5 more EV off the bat on top of the small bonus Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but isn't it closer to +2.7 EV at the start? Can you elaborate on where you are you getting +5 from? letting you ...

Played a 4 rune FDFE in the most recent release and I essentially agree, it's like deep elf but good. Had less defenses than the above character because I opted for double enhancer firestorm but the principle is the same. Fast movement should probably get cut imo. There are a lot of species that ha...

I am playing Enchanter at the moment (latest release, 1.5) and again I believe it is better to nerf EV in a very significant way. What's the point of spells if I have AC 12/EV 20 and have easy time meleeing Komodo Dragon before Lair? I think it's great that expert player knowledge and skill can be ...

Tab (automagic) not working properly at zero MP with your -MP mutation also means there are going to be other problems with spell_mana(), [if I'm parsing the code correctly, I think your current implementation won't work properly with mouseclick-casting on local tiles?], you might want to implement...

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