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I like the proposed degeneration tweak. Lignification already is useful occasionally. Trolls quaff it when they engage hydrae. So I wouldn't change that.

The wand of flame is still in the game. Maybe it can be bumped up so that it can be used to ignite trees? Possibly with an evocations threshold, say 8 evo or so.

Gnolls and Chei go very well together.

I would not worry, scrolls of recharging got removed too :) Had some interesting experience with that. Downloaded the newest trunk version yesterday, and got back to an ongoing game. I read-ID'd a stack of 3 unidentified scrolls, and they were identified as scrolls of recharging - I was able to rec...

I play Chei a lot, and I use autoexplore a lot. Piety decay hardly bothers me. I wouldn't mind if it were not a thing, but really, all this is a non-issue.

Looks like some weak wands got removed, too. Overall, a very welcome change!

Every wand that gets removed is a good wand.

Edit: I think I didn't make myself clear: I mean that I am happy about every wand that gets removed - less stuff that I should optimally lug around with me.

duvessa wrote:shields penalize accuracy too

By the time you can confidently swing a 2H-weapon, no, they don't.

Oops, I didn't read carefully enough. Where you said randarts/fixedarts, I read unrands/fixedarts. My bad. Randarts are not identified.

I prefer Pan before Hell, but there are other opinions out there. And I haven't been to Pan since the bug was fixed that placed an exit to Abyss on every Pan level. Not your problem with 16.1.

From what I understand, butchering a corpse to whatever number of chunks was shortened to just 1 turn some versions ago. So the first wiki-entry is outdated, and the second has it right. This is apparently not the reason that has caused this death, in version 20.1.

On a related note, if 99% of the time, any given character who could wear robes should ditch folly, then folly needs to be reworked (two pips of negative MR is obviously far too much) or removed. Disagree. There is stuff that is bad 100% of the time, and no-one thinks about tweaking them. Just cons...

But randarts/fixedarts are always idenitified. Do you want to change that, or do I misunderstand you?
My thanks go to everything else you say - sounds like a good solution!

One other consideration: Archmagi may serve as 50% INT only from the perspective of spellpower. But Folly leaves you with a net-loss of real INT, which translates into higher failure rates and more severe spell hunger. Maybe the spell hunger doesn't matter to you, because you have plenty of food bey...

Spriggans are notorious for having spellpower problems, but not your particular Spriggan, so you would not really need Folly. But I agree with all the others that your high base MR makes it very worthwile to use it in this case. Keep your small hands off Majin-Bo - you don't have enough HP to surviv...

Still playing 16.1? Grow up, man!
You desperately need more INT. Your spellpower is lacking somewhat, and if you want to survive the other post-endgame places, you need to ramp that up. My rule of thumb is not to use any level-9 spells without at least 30 INT.

He is know to have a strong death wish. He repeatedly killed himself in front of my protagonists by drowning himself in Lava, after expiration of a Tornado. I once left a note to that effect on the Wiki.

No. it is indeed gone, and I hate it that I have to click or type a few things in order to find out. The $ was replaced with the noise bar. Apparently there is only so much space on the screen.

Same for me - I tried a few octopodes, but none of them had very long legs, even when I dropped more and more of the bonus-points conditions. Nothing worth posting here.

I guess it's like indexing a book. It looks great when it is done, but nobody wants to do it.

If you ever parked your car under a lime tree, you'd know that trees can spit poison...

Dying after killing Dispater happened to me at least once. You tend to be low on HP when you are done with him, so anything can happen - and the exits to safety are far away. Don't feel bad about it.

IIRC, only what you are doing bothered/bothers TSO.

I would either buy the randart book for passwall (nice escape for a slow guy) and dragon form, or save some more money for the UC manual. You can forget about the book of the warp for a 3-rune game, but if you want to go further, controlled blink will become very important for you. But by that time ...

I had many Chei characters go down in Lair because of hybris. You feel invincible until, all of a sudden, a pack of death yaks surround you and chew through your mediocre AC in no time at all. My advice: ID that wand of digging, stay close to the walls in your initial exploration of a level, and dig...

If not for these malmutations, your character certainly looked strong - you had good stats, good spell power, and excellent gargoyle defenses. For your next run you might want to consider Vehumet instead of Kiku. Kiku provides less to a gargoyle than to other species, as you already have some rN and...

Yes, in 16.1 he still hates poison.

Do you have, like...an example of this happening? Anywhere? Try this: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=20431&view=next - That was mainly you. There is a lot more of it here: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=23753&start=0 - mostly by others. Rece...

Does Zin allow the use of draining weapons?

don't worry about summons stealing XP. That is not a problem This attitude is somewhat inconsistent with the almost anal condemnation of multiple-skill training by optimal players on this forum. How can you be so maniacally worried about missing a breakpoint by a few dozen turns when at the same ti...

That's what you get from playing with allies.

Naah, sorry, listing 55.000+ commits does not answer my question. Commits for what? Developers have been doing that for many years now - making steady progress, to be sure, but as it seems always directed at the next 0.xx release. Now, if you tell me that the developers indeed have not given up on t...

Here's a question to the developers: Crawl is now at version 0.20, and we are all happily testing 0.21. Why do we still have the embarrassing '0.' defiling our version numbers? If I am not mistaken, '0.' implies in developer-speak that the current version is still not quite good enough to grace it w...

duvessa wrote:There are no enhancer randart properties and there never have been.

I think I have seen randart rings with Fire or Ice spell enhancers, but I guess that then must have been their base property, and that's why they don't count here, right?

torrenera wrote:Now I'm only expecting to horribly die from something stupid, like an Ogre.
^^

Yeah, that's what usually happens, at least to me. Let us know!

The game recommends EE for trolls, but your above conduct does not mention it. Do you mean that you don't want us to run as EE?

NhorianScum wrote:Shatter is pretty good in extended if you're not filled with the senseless urge to kill all the things.

Not senseless. Only what I kill gives me experience. Only experience makes me grow. I want to grow even in the extended game.

It is also mirrored by the fact that Tornado is more effective against flying monsters. I don't think this is true. By the way Tornado mades things fly so it would be more effective against everything by itself. Looks like you are right about this. Don't know where I got this idea. Sorry. I still b...

Flavourwise, imagine yourself in an earthquake with both feet on the ground, and then in a flying helicopter. In terms of game design, it is the balancing element analogous to fire resistance vs. Firestorm and cold resistance vs. Glaciate. It is also mirrored by the fact that Tornado is more effecti...

I think Lavandula is particularly interested in the ally-version of scarabs. Flying would make them way cool. But, as NhorianScum pointed out, there are also enemy scarabs, mostly in the Tomb. A popular way to deal with the Tomb is Shattering the place to rubble, including its scarabs. Already now b...

Reptisaurus wrote:Obviously winning two in a row was a fluke, but I kind of want to try a three-peat with Chei or Xom. Try it with actually bad Gods.

Then you shouldn't use Chei.

duvessa wrote:I'd just remove the special case and always multiply time taken by 3/2.

Doesn't that mean that you make the situation that OP complains about the standard, that is creating more opportunities for unavoidable death? That would not be very popular.

There should be a flavour-related reason for them not to fly. Scarabs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarabaeus_sacer) are dung beetles, and if they are actually able to fly at some stage (I don't know), they rarely do.

On stabbing TRJ: It is possible (I did it recently), but even in its death-squiggle it releases a ton of minor jellies that can easily surround you. You need to be prepared to deal with them.

If there is one thing this game doesn't need at all, it's another God forcing allies on you.

Now that you dropped the glaive, I would use a shield. Most of your other randart weapons are one-handed, so you would benefit from the extra protection.

svendre wrote:I don't see the point in putting points into INT now if it's not going to pay off in level 9's before the end of the game, or if that means I'd have to wear some weak armour to do it.

The obvious solution to that is, of course, Comrade Chei.

Just downloaded the most recent build, and it looks like the devs are still tweaking the species. Invocations is now +9, and all magic schools (except Spellcasting) are now +6. The rest is still at +8. I guess we had it coming.

Completed my first Gnoll 15-runer, with a Ziggurat. Just before finishing, I maxed out all 31 skills: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.21-a0-316-g7453ecb (tiles) character file. 12546321 Majang the Conqueror (level 27, 238/238 HPs) Began as a Gnoll Fighter on Oct 5, 2017. Was the Champion of Cheib...

I mean, ok, the difficulty after that may drastically increase if the runes were stolen due the Lords' chasing, but I still don't get it, it wasn't better to keep the slog reduced also after you actually finished with that place? The way I understand it is you don't have to slog around too long. Ex...

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