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There was a suggestion a little while ago to make EW scrolls targeted, and making ?Vorpal targeted too would help with this problem too. That's certainly a solution that could work. From the replies in this thread it looks like some really good players share my concern, so I hope one of the devs wi...

figured I'd have to adjust to the new effect. well said - you gotta adjust to crawl, not adjust crawl to you Doc Brown , it's just like with potion of mutation. Actually I don't like the tendency for read-ID as it's kinda no-brainer-ish. It IS possible to find enough scrolls of identification to ID...

Vorpalise is usually one of the last scrolls you see. You can know that it's very likely to be coming and take steps then, or use id scrolls on unknown scrolls. I've historically done this anyway, as even with old vorpalise you often didn't want to read one by accident (e.g. you have a well-enchant...

I just posted about this in the SA thread, but I figure here's the better place for that. I was IDing scrolls in Lair, when my demon whip of freezing got vorpalised into a demon whip of protection. Since I was already aware of the change, I immediately thought "my fault for reading unidentified...

My Demonspawn Warper of Oka just found

Code:: a - the ring "Gradiapa" (left hand) {cTele +Rage +Inv rPois Acc+3 SInv}

on level 2 of the Lair. That's as close to an instawin artefact as I've ever seen. I can only assume this means that I'm going to die horribly to a miscast.

Thank you for the reply! I never thought of using a tomb card, as I tend to ignore decks unless I follow Nemelex. I chose not to hide, but since I don't have any means of cTele this means I usually have to confront Trogs summons. So far things have been working out quite well, that is to say, I'm st...

I like starting out as berserker, as it pretty much guarantees that my character will get off the ground. Unfortunately the tactical limitations make the game a bit boring once I get past the early game, so I've been toying with the idea of using Ash to turn my tanks into, well, spellcasting tanks. ...

Thank you, looks like I should stick with the staff of earth/shield combo. It was probably a bad idea in the first place to run around without shield as a halfling. I also finally got a means of sInv in form of a quickblade of speed that I bought in a shop, so the vampiric latajang wouldn't be very ...

You were right on with your advice, I was able to get past the boggarts and unseen horrors with those tricks - and man, there were a lot of boggarts. The uniques were also a lot less menacing, but I decided to retreat from Swamp after spotting Mennas near the the rune vault. I'll probably try Elf ne...

Which uniques are we talking about exactly? Most of them are MUCH easier to kill than normal when they're surrounded by deep water, such as that found in Shoals and Swamp. Take the chance to floating turbo-moon Rupert, Wiglaf, and Snorg simultaneously as they watch impotently from within your Evapo...

I'm currently playing a L18 HaAr and still haven't found any means of sInv after clearing Hive, Orc, the Lair and the first few levels of the rune branches. I can't dive deeper into the dungeon, because there's a pack of boggarts sitting right next to the stairs to D:18 and the stairs are all groupe...

As a follower of Trog you can always line up some spellbooks between you and the hydra and then burn them. The hydra will walk straight through the flames and take heavy damage. Also be careful when fighting elephants, as they will push you around, possibly pushing you away from stairs and such. Goo...

The Lair usually isn't any more difficult than the regular dungeon at the same depth. The main threats in Lair 1-7 are hydras, spiny frogs and packs of elephants, all of which can easily be handled with berzerking and/or brothers in arms. Just don't let yourself get surrounded and don't forget that ...

Going all the way to large shields might be overkill on my part, I've probably gotten a bit overprotective of my casters since I had one die to an orb guardian.

By the time you get to Zot, you might want to have a high level AoE spell ready. With your particular build the logical spell would be Fire Storm. Another spell that I find invaluable for the endgame is Haste. Your shields skill is very low, I usually like to build that up so I can use large shields...

I don't think so, but I went through the whole game without Abjuration (stupid, I know).

Can someone tell me why transmuters have such a low winning ratio? Granted, I never got one past the midgame myself, but they don't seem underpowered at all and their starting book is rather neat. Also, miasma cloud is pure awesome.

I just escaped the dungeon with the orb and 16 runes! Thanks again to everyone who answered my questions, I don't think I would have made it without the help I received. Interestingly I found Pandemonium much harder than Hell. That might be because it was my first time in both of these places and th...

Does the autotraining also take place when the death of the monster is delayed (i.e. if you're using poison or you're confusing the monster and it suicides)?

The lack of code tags makes the characterdump a bit difficult to read, but here's one thing I noticed: Train fighting! It doesn't matter if you're playing a pure spellcaster, fighting skill increases your max HP, which makes surviving a lot easier. Keep the skill on in your m screen and don't turn i...

The first means of rPoison that I found in my current game was on the bottom of the Vaults. All it meant was that I had to take the Hive and Snake Pit a bit slower than usual and burn through a bunch of !healing. A much bigger issue was the lack of sInv throughout most of the game, which created som...

Personally I wouldn't try going for the Orb with only rF+, but I'm still pretty new myself. The safest way to go is probably to wander around the abyss for a bit and look for a ring of fire resistance or something similar. Of course the abyss is also a bit boring to do at your level. Slime isn't tha...

I'm currently doing my first extended endgame with a MfCr, so take this with a grain of salt: - If I decide to clear Zot 1-4, I can buy a rF++ armour to help with Orbs of Fire. Their mutation effect can probably beat my MR, though. Re-learning invisibility should be worth it here - with metabolic en...

Thank you for the info LunarHarp, that was incredibly helpful! After reading that, I think I'll go to the abyss for a short while. I don't have any plans to seriously grind it for piety and I already got the rune, but I figure a bit of a headstart won't hurt. Especially since I'd hate to lose this c...

Thanks for the quick reply! I would get the slime rune (and treasure) first. You'll need cTele for that. Switch to randart gear while doing so to avoid destruction of your stuff. I already got the slime rune, unfortunately the loot wasn't very useful. SInv is pretty important in general, though less...

Hi all, I'm trying to get my frst 15 rune (and second overall) victory, any advice would be appreciated. This character has been pretty fun to play, especially after finding and vorpalizing that demon trident quite early in the game. I tried a bit of mutation roulette, but wussed out after getting c...

joellercoaster wrote:Vicious, bloodthirsty herbivores.

Heh.

Congrats on the first win! Sweet mutations- demonic gaurdians 3 + borthers in arms must have murdered anything you couldn't just mele yourself. The ridiculous MR certainly doesn't hurt either. Did you use hellfire at all? I didn't find it to be particularly effective the few times I've gotten it, e...

After losing with well over a hundred spellcasters of all shapes and forms, I finally decided to try some melee characters. The first two were a TrBe and MDFi, both of which died before the lair. This was the third: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.8.0-a0-5951-g8f09abf character file. 1297948 Detr...

I misunderstood how the fighting > HP formula worked, so I turned it off when I reached L27. I won't make that mistake again. The only reason I Iearned fulsome distillation was to make and sacrifice potions of mutation, I learned that from the last thread I posted. And yeah, no Poison Arrow for me. ...

Thank you for the reply! This pretty much eliminated all my hunger issues. I've cleared Zot 4 and probably should go for the Orb at this point, but the Orb Chamber looks really scary on the wiki. My plan is to summon a big army (4 legendary decks of summoning, 2 bottled efreets at 75% success chance...

Could I receive meat rations from the scroll as a Spriggan? I read that you'll never get armour you can't wear, does the same principle apply to food? I'm down to slow healing 1 and got back 2 int thanks to a Helix card. Also got a 89k XP pool and studious about spellcasting from the same deck, so y...

Using scroll of acquirement on food!!!!!!! Heh, it does sound like a bit of a waste, but I'm in dire need for food. I sacrificed all my remaining potions except speed, invisibilty, restore abilities and resistance. I did the same with all my wands except teleport, haste and disintegration, but stil...

I quaffed my only potion of cure mutation, hoping to get rid of slow healing 2 as I don't have a book with Regeneration. It didn't work. Then I stepped into a Zot trap in Crypt 5 and caught shoutitis. This is particularly annoying as I'm down to 7 royal jellies and 4 bread rations and I haven't foun...

Definitely go clear crypt 5. It is easier than zot. Heck, barring extreme rarities, it is easier than vault 8 as well. Ancient liches can show up in vault 8 too, and their friends in vault are usually much more dangerous. My question is, are you asking about doing postgame branches because you want...

Times like this make me want another branch as hard as crypt. Probably the deep dwarf branch, right? I assume you cleared orc, elf and hive then? I did indeed, there's nowhere left for me to go but the places I mentioned. I've kinda assumed that the slime pit filled that void, but it looks like I w...

The amulet of resist mutation is only super-ultra-important if you actually plan to play any part of the game after clearing Zot. Any confrontation with an orb of fire without having one equipped will turn into a mutated wreck, but once the game is over (one way or the other) you don't have to care...

Hello, I finally managed to open the gates to Zot, but I feel rather unprepared for the endgame and wonder how to change that. For one, I haven't found an amulet of resist mutation, which makes me a bit nervous about the upcoming levels. I also don't have any of the awesome spells that seem like the...

Have you tried playing a Venom Mage? I find that Mephitic Cloud + Sting make dealing with Uniques utterly trivial, at least until much later in the game.

You're probably screwed. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted and I did learn an important lesson... Thanks for the help, everyone! (For the record I used fog, but wasn't able to get away from the blademaster positioned next to me). 320499 Ponz the Spry (level 22, -7/127 HPs) Began as a Spriggan Ven...

Isn't E:5 no teleport control? Uncontrolled blink sounds much riskier than fear. No teleport control in E:5 is the reason I got cornered in the first place. As there aren't even any save spots in my LoS, uncontrolled blinking seems quite suicidal. I take it that you agree with a scroll of fear bein...

Oops, I made a wrong step, now I'm surrounded in E:5 with low HP... Is there any way out of this situation? I lost a turn trying to blink away, which made things a lot worse. I didn't realize that E:5 is the final elven floor in trunk. My only possible retreat is southwards, the stairs are at the en...

Thank you all for the suggestions! I probably got scared off too easily by the Summons in the Elven Halls, so I'll be heading back there. are you sure that ring of sustenance does anything? I'm wearing the ring of sustenance while stabbing with the ring "Miowkas" {Hunger rF+ rC+ Stlth++}, ...

Hi all, I finally managed to grab my first Runes and I'm determined to win this game, but it seems that I'm getting overpowered by monsters no matter where I go. This might be due to my weak build, as I've been playing mostly stealth based and that's not working out as well now as it did earlier in ...

I'm now back where my L15 DSVM died, but this time I'm a L19 SpVM. I hope noone minds if I keep my questions in the same thread. - Is my build fine so far? I gained a bunch of levels thanks to two Legendary Decks of Wonders and burned all the XP getting my translocations skill from 2 to 10, Controll...

Awesome, I could use a Deck of Wonders. I wasn't even thinking of sacrificing potions. Edit: Succumbed to Frederick's Orb of Energy on Swamp:2, but I'm really happy with that run, as I got a score of over 110k, 95k more than my second best so far. Bigglesworth the Conjurer (Demonspawn Venom Mage) Tu...

Not having played a lot of spellcasters before I find this information incredibly helpful. All these schools of magic had me completely overwhelmed, despite the wiki and learndb. I went with the cold spells and was able to clear the Lair for the first time without ever getting close to trouble. I'm ...

Thank you for the helpful reply! Building up a big nuke in particular is something that didn't even cross my mind, as I never got a VM to the point in the game where Mephitic Cloud + Sting didn't cut it anymore. It seems that I'm getting closer to that point, so I'll start working on that nuke. Thro...

I started playing recently and could need some pointers on how to proceed with my DSVM: Bigglesworth the Tainter (Demonspawn Venom Mage) Turns: 14323, Time: 01:29:56 HP 68/68 (69) AC 15 Str 8 Exp: 11/12726 (493), need: 10448 MP 23/23 EV 15 Int 20 God: Nemelex Xobeh [**....] Gold 452 SH 0 Dex 17 Spel...

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