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I agree Wz is really weird. "Train what you want" in reality means you will train weapon, fighting and dodging before Temple unless you join Vehumet, Sif Muna or Kiku. Yes, you have many spells and high int but your most damaging spell is magic dart and mephitic cloud is almost useless if...

I kinda like the blurry vision idea... but as a background rather than a race.

Looks solid and I look forward to using these but... 3 very minor things I'd enjoy in this. (Mostly pointless) Bikeshedding the name to Pixie or something not a dragon to avoid any confusion with draconian and FDS. At least one useable mele/launcher apt for "variety". Also lemme wear a hat...

While I personally enjoy Makleb as is and use the shit out of 3 of it's powers (Or all 4 in HC where hellfire is a thing) it would be interesting to see a list of gods that could be merged/removed and spellified/equipified. Off the top of my head oka+wjc and Fedhas +pleasegod anything but fucking fe...

Socks and sandals: Not actually cursed but you cannot remove them as this is far too comfortable. Gain hated by all ala Ru and Rc+.

This reads as a strictly weaker, super annoying to use, and less kickass version of Yred. We already have that yo. That said crawl has an infected ingrown toe, the icp, and the actual sun as top end zot enemies. By comparison killer robots are pretty tame. (Or I may just play too much Etrian Oddysse...

I keep OTR for Vaults:5 and for draconian packs in Zot. If you're suggesting that the amount of damage poison does compared to the HP if the likely targets is not worth the spell slots and the turn casting it, I could certainly buy that. I'd like to keep Sublimation. I've not needed it yet, but the...

To be fair only fire enhancer rings actually matter (unless you're ozoscumming stairs).

As for why, blancing a ring for every school of magic sounds horrible and cluttery.

Shatter is pretty good in extended if you're not filled with the senseless urge to kill all the things. What do you mean? Rune-stealing? Pretty much. LRD can obviously do the same thing but it's way slower and can be cast by servitor. Shatter enables a fully mutilated spellforge spellist (one that ...

Shatter is pretty good in extended if you're not filled with the senseless urge to kill all the things.

It makes killing enemy scarabs with earth magic super convenient.

I actually really liked the old nemelex cause you actually had to fulfill(active) piety requirements for decks. This new iteration its more "hey heres a deck of destruction, hope you dont get fucked over by running out of cards before your second deck, however if you get that second deck go ah...

No shadow form dithdude is wierd.

3rd rune abyss is pretty safe on stealthdudes. Crypt is annoying on VP but it's pretty free exp/loot.

Demon blade+spire is pretty decent killdudes.

It's a lategame naga. Rmsl is gonna do more than the smidge of ac from the cloak. Not a huge difference in tabbing with 50 ac and tabbing with 54 ac.

So... Spriggan blasters with no fast move?

Mu^Be is one of their stronger 3 rune starts though...

LRD into the back of the rune vault with brilliance if uniques are a problem.

While I disagree with the OP, there might be ways to make the brand more interesting/feel less unfair. What if, on each hit, you got a stack of translocational energy. 0-2: blink or damage. 3-4 stacks: blink, tele, -player tele, or medium damage. 5+ stacks: blink, -player tele, high damage, or bani...

FOR YOU! Never in my life i had a player ghost i couldnt kill, many more times had i got a ood spawn or just a unique that i had to completely and constantly avoid. d:2 sigmund with a scythe of distortion? thats fair, maybe i should engage it and see if he also quaffes haste or zaps my ass with aci...

So uncommon i never find them, probably because those races with good gear are VERY unlikely to die. Do you bother if i compare them with regular enemies? because a orc wizard, who can spawn on the first floor(unless it was changed with the spawns removal) with any of those brands is just as danger...

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Stuff.

Early Sp/Ce ghost with a weapon of venom/drain/elec/disto.

"balance"

Since these are strong races and the bestest early brands this is not even remotely uncommon even outside of intentional griefing.

Focus on one form of killdudes.

Use bend time/temp disto more.

LRD is pretty busted if you go for offensive spells on a mele/launcher dude fsr.

Launchers/2handers are worth swappimg into if a good one drops early.

Pretty sure the purpose of naga bardings on non-naga's is to openly mock the player.

Just don't wear the RC- gloves in swamp?

The feeling that draconian and gargoyle aren't as good (or effective) as elves probably depends on the fact that they are much less minmaxed than deep elves when it comes to magic. They have other advantages, but they are species that work better as hybrids. I disagree, at least for the gargoyle - ...

MainiacJoe wrote:So Ru? Seems to me that every other strong god needs some investment in a skill (Invo/Necro)

Gozag has no invo. Mak and Hep can be safely used at very low invo for most of the game.

(I'd suggest kiku but you've splatted a god number of kikududes.)

I enjoy M&F not having a gimmic.

Human earth/air elementalist is pretty braindead with a strong low/no invo god (Veh is not strong)

Conjure flame kills things real dead and is very cheap. Party tricks is some sick value.

Disto dagger is as good as it gets imo.

Permanent overly buff allies and a sling/pole deal with low mp pretty easily... Imb is awful. Force lance/searing ray/Prism all work very well with fed's shrooms and general terrain fuckery. By the time you get big boy spells you're no longer using mushrooms heavily in my experience. Early Fed is st...

TL;DR:Would you wear the ponderous plate you found on D3 if you could remove the ego by Lair/mid-Lair/1st sbranch at the cost of no immediate defensive growth? Not any more frquently than i do now. I might go back and wear it once i had removed the penalties. Of course in the game as it is, i will ...

There's a distinction between evo and magic that actually matters? (Aside from the version dependant difference where one is drasticly better than the other) Edit: Why would anyone tie dex to heavy armor? That would be dumb. More edit: I'm not entirely certain why breakpoints are inherently bad, or ...

Nobody ever turns down an early +6-10 plate of ponderousness on mele I frequently do, i would rather have 5 less ac than sacrifice my ability to walk away from normal speed monsters. Yeah I was fishing pretty hard with that line. Now to drop a wall of things everyone already knows subjected to ques...

Heavily tieing evo to dex seems like a pretty easy and semi-intuitive fix if we absolutely must have all the stats deal damage directly. This also removes evo as a "no brainer" option and allows for some fan favorites to potentialy return. Displayed power and wand stacking remove scummy sp...

I'm struggling to think of a sane reason to not take Kiku at temple on DE when not playing for score/turncount.

I'm not entirely certain why "magegod" idea's always seem to give mages things they already have an excessive amount of at the cost of training an otherwise worthless skill.

Constantly.

There's really no drawback to spamming the unholy hell out of line pass and to a lesser extent stomp/grand.

Sounds like a lot more inventory clutter for me. I would not support this without a drastic inventory reform as a collateral... Eh, even in optimal play you're mostly relying on a handful of workhorse spells that generaly come in the same book. Carrying around a Dmsl book would eat an extra slot, b...

Recent spell/weapon changes are a Very Good Thing that I would like to see in vannila.

Zot could use some more tweaks, it's quite brutal for middling damage dudes. Still way more interactive than permaorb zot so this is by no means a complaint.

Disto ex axe is the dream.

A quick question in the meanwhile: the tournament for the upcoming version is apparently going to start soon. How will that affect your willingness to play in the Casual League? Like, will you continue to do the weekly challenges, or focus on the tournament? I'd be interested in knowing how much in...

Chei/ask/oka are strictly worse at winning the game than Srank gods on old gnoll and newgnolls +3 all with bad stats just makes them favor optimal gods even more.

These gods are boring as fuck though so most folks took oka/ash/chei to roleplay the intended hybrid build.

Tier 123: Pay no attention to the piss weak okatroll ghosts. It was a moment of weakness Chei baby, you know there's nobody for me but you and your sexy little D1 altar.

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Low stats high aptitudes seems like enough of a niche to differentiate knolls. Making the stats completely un-modifiable just seems like a not even remotely fun thing to deal with.

nightstalker = tab harder, evocations give all the range you'll ever need.

Fingolfin wrote:I'll give it a go this evening then. What god would you recommend? Instinctively, I'd go for Dith or Sif?

Kiku/yred/ru/mak/fedhas/gozag. Panic button strong, none of my cat wins actually relied on the cat.

Never, unless you're worshiping xom or yred.

Stealth is pretty good at netting a free rune in the abyss.

All for it.

That said if fighting stays forever that's also fine, but forthe loveof everything can it be a title-less skill? Getting petty tired of seeing the "conqueror" tag on every single dude.

The impetus for the OP was a HuVM (since deceased to a ghost) that found Callings. Callings is a strong book, but I'd already invested in Poison enough to get OTR at 12% fail and most of the summons in that book lack rPois (spire, and maybe a few imp types). So it felt like it would be completely s...

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