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Magipi wrote:
CypherZel wrote:So is it invo or evo I'm training

Shard1697 wrote:Invo.

Holy shit guys, it obviously depends on the version you're playing.

Trunk of course

Also should I only draw with abilities or is normal draw safe enough

So is it invo or evo I'm training

VeryAngryFelid wrote:
amalloy wrote:Xom is allowed to kill you if you're boring. Try to have more fun.

Felids cannot use chaos weapon so I am not sure what unspoiled player can do to keep Xom happy.

FR: Felid can jump at target and get confused for 1 turn, Xom is amused by stupid bravery.

Wasn't Felid jump taken out?

Get bodied

Don't go if you want to win, I died first time, a lot of other players have died on their first or second time

Press control+f and type booki

https://i.gyazo.com/311d7ed9230b48bf6b19841a96fc39d0.png This is, what, the Defended Temple? I dunno, but I like it. I got to see Megabats for the first time ever. Didn't even know they existed! Sadly the artefact was kinda useless. EDIT: https://i.gyazo.com/51fdaad01ea4b21f9f8689be2c850d6d.png Ran...

found it again playing random viable

Also some dodging would be nice

Just press tab

Can monsters pick up randarts and unrands?

[quote="CypherZel"]So hep has frail 1 and trog has nothing??? Trog's conduct is one of the harshest in the game. Probably only Chei and Qazl are worse. Ah yes, the conduct that forces you to wear the best armour and not waste xp on bad skills. Definitely, wearing heavy armour is often pow...

And this annoys me because it feels like there's goals trying to be balanced at once and players who actually play the other 80% of the game get shafted I agree with you but it has been discussed many times, devs like shafts because they believe it makes games more interesting. Lol was actually thi...

I agree with the statement that it was a bad argument but I still feel as though the nerf was just put in to add difficulty but there was no flavour link between the God and the nerf. I also feel that the nerf wasn't needed because hep was never considered too strong by most players and there are o...

It's not untrue, not being able to cast any spell at all is a really bad downside. It's worth it because of how strong the upsides are, but saying that Trog has no downside is simply false. It isn't a downside at all because you don't need spells to win the game with or without trog(assuming we are...

It's not untrue, not being able to cast any spell at all is a really bad downside. It's worth it because of how strong the upsides are, but saying that Trog has no downside is simply false. It isn't a downside at all because you don't need spells to win the game with or without trog(assuming we are...

4Hooves2Appendages wrote:
CypherZel wrote:So hep has frail 1 and trog has nothing???

Trog's conduct is one of the harshest in the game. Probably only Chei and Qazl are worse.

-4 club [-cast, rStupidity---] bait

So hep has frail 1 and trog has nothing??? The logic, as if someone (or group of people) legitimately thought that hep needed a nerf when there's so many things that should be considered before that. There is now 0 reason to ever go hep

Frail 1, seems like they made a alternative God into a play for the challenge god which seems pointless

Hhioii

Isn't hexer so much better then the others that there's really no other point of going knight or Mage?

[quote="CypherZel"]I mean if it's just to play GrBe then why not, the game doesn't punish you for doing this, I've won like this 4 times lol Trog's hand is almost useless vs orb of fire and skilling weapon to 27 is always a mistake unless you literally have nothing to train. Exactly So wh...

Sandman25 wrote:
CypherZel wrote:I mean if it's just to play GrBe then why not, the game doesn't punish you for doing this, I've won like this 4 times lol

Trog's hand is almost useless vs orb of fire and skilling weapon to 27 is always a mistake unless you literally have nothing to train.

Exactly

-Trogs hand, literally broken, you can pop 2 MR whenever you want, see an orb of fire? Trogs hand and put some Fr on (make sure you are using that nice anti magic executioners axe with 27 axe skill because you a bad ass mother fucker) free kill, don't even quaff a cure mutation, bask in your victor...

I actually already made a guide for this Ignore literally everything these good players have said, do not try pekallas, do not go hep, don't even go oka. Good gods yes, fun gods, definitely. But everyone and their mother knows, trog is the best God in the game for a nice 3 rune, " but... But yo...

-Trogs hand, literally broken, Orc priests are literally free kills now that you can pop 2 MR whenever you want, Although obviously the rest of this guide was 100% accurate and perfect, smite does not check MR so trog's hand isn't that useful against orc priests. You're likely to get kicked off you...

Don't go to Elf until you have 2 runes and have done at least Vaults:1 - 4, possibly some Depths as well. Top-tier elves are a deadly bunch. Also, Lair:8 does not have sick loot so don't worry about that. loot was absolutely crap, randart ring rC+ Dex6 Well dex +6 isn't bad at this point of the gam...

Sprucery wrote:Don't go to Elf until you have 2 runes and have done at least Vaults:1 - 4, possibly some Depths as well. Top-tier elves are a deadly bunch.

Also, Lair:8 does not have sick loot so don't worry about that.

loot was absolutely crap, randart ring rC+ Dex6

Should I go elf, never been in elf before but maybe there are some benefits for a caster in there since I only play melee dudes

probably has sick loot but I'm going to do orc and finish dungeons then go back to it

Is this the infamous lair ending where you get jumped by dire elephants, because if it is inobodigatime4dat

Should I ever train stealth then?

I can bet money that you are using the Gargoyle Earth Elemenatlist guide from the wiki, that guide is not good and you shouldn't be referencing it. Don't use the wiki for things in general, use this forum and learndb. A rule of thumb is to only train spell casting for spell levels, if you are being ...

What is specifically troubling you in Lair:6? You have fulminant prism, mystic blast, battlesphere and lighting bolt, plus sif mufa. In other words, very mp-efficient way to deal high AoE damage, deal high damage both to low and high EV target, and the safest way to channel mp in the game. You shou...

I'd probably enchant that helmet (unless the tile is really ugly). I did that, I have actually been stair dancing lair 6 for an hour, pls help Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.19-a0-1168-g98094fc (webtiles) character file. CypherZel the Destroyer (Deep Elf Conjurer) Turns: 37688, Time: 04:13:40 H...

goodcoolguy wrote:Going for lightning bolt rather than battlesphere is major mistake, agree. Much worse is not getting repel missiles though.

sheeeit

This is me now Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.19-a0-1168-g98094fc (webtiles) character file. CypherZel the Nimble (Deep Elf Conjurer) Turns: 20204, Time: 02:11:25 Health: 63/63 AC: 9 Str: 5 XL: 11 Next: 27% Magic: 25/25 EV: 19 Int: 24 God: Sif Muna [****..] Gold: 759 SH: 2 Dex: 15 Spells: 8 memo...

Are bucklers worth?

+ Level 1.5 Armour not training this in a robe would be a good start - Level 5.0 Stealth you probably don't want this either So that means i should also not go dith right? because I have been contemplating going dith for a few minutes now at the alter, also I train armour to see If I would gain any...

Ive killed about 5 deep elf conjurers in dungeons and I have very little experience with using spells in general, it would be nice for general tips as well as looking at this early dump to see if I'm doing things right. Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.19-a0-1168-g98094fc (webtiles) character file...

After totally butchering the spelling devs must ad tonsil golems in the game

Lost the screen shots but theirs a volcano where you get jumped by a bunch of tonsil golems

MainiacJoe wrote:
BabyRage wrote:
CypherZel wrote:it will quickly turn into the most boring experience after your first win with trog.

Hey, speak for yourself.
Oh it's true. I streaking GrBe and even though I want to stop because it's so boring, I'm on a streak so I feel like I shouldn't.

Is that even a streak?

Remember to only train 3 skills: weapon,fighting and armour, all other skills are irrelevant and you don't need them to with with this combo, burn every spell book as soon as you see them, spam trogs hand on the orb run, take on all of V5 without going up stairs and remember that Felid Chaos knight...

Ignore literally everything these good players have said, do not try pekallas, do not go hep, don't even go oka. Good gods yes, fun gods, definitely. But everyone and their mother knows, trog is the best God in the game for a nice 3 rune, " but... But you can't use magic" magic is for scru...

vergil wrote:You should always start as a Wanderer, because you will have more consumables which are already identified.

Bad advice good reasoning

Play Gr for your first win, because they can't be turned to stone which makes areas like lair a lot easier.

Skills: - Level 17.5 Fighting - Level 17.0 Axes + Level 15.6 Armour - Level 10.0 Dodging Train Evocations as VS of Trog, it will increase your effective HP by a lot. Don't train Armour that high when you don't have weapon at min delay. Don't forget that you have bite attack and you restore MP with ...

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