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I found wymbane damage kinda Meh against non dragons.

I have done MiFe^vehu hybrid with level 9 spell in a 3 rune game.

Shard1697 wrote:No, it serves one purpose: it makes vampires need to fuck off somewhere else midway through spider when they want to regen

No, Vp can't eat even the edible spiders anyway.

Blades hands doesn't meld rings.

FR: replace evening stars with double maces.

VeryAngryFelid wrote:
WingedEspeon wrote:Also, Chie is really bad

FTFY

To be fair, chie is only slightly bad on MiFi, and good for MiFi speedruns.

Add 5 more runes. getting 20 rune turns the orb of zot into the icosahedron of zot, which is better than the orb of zot because it can be evoked to generat a random number between 1 and 20 inclusive.

Kiku is good if you like necro. Gozag is good if you don't. Nemlex is good if you like getting OP stuff from drawing cards.

The first ring is a ring of wizardry, priced as a wiz ring randart.

I like taking about 3 levels in poison early to get spider for to about 34% fail.
Also, Chie is really bad for OpTm.

No. Stick to UC. Wymbanes low base damage makes it a kinda meh weapon for characters that train a lot of weapon skill.

Price: 5 potions of resistance. HOGl^Beo had rF++, rC+++, rElec, and rPois from armor and jewelry in Zot and six such potions when I remembered the trove. phial of floods randart scimitar crystal ball of energy meat ration glowing trident glowing battleaxe glowing halberd wand of iceblast amulet {S...

Player ghost like stuff remains from mara/illusion card, so that might be the best way to do it.

I general, you should consider using a 2H weapon simply because good 1H weapons are not reliably generated. Hall of blades will not have a good 1H polearm, as Hall of blades does not generate demon weapons, and the only good 1H polearm base type is a demon trident. Condider training polearms to 20 a...

What I'm trying to nudge at here is that asking questions like "what's bad about this sort of consumable?", or explaining why the consumable wouldn't be bad or out of place, is not a sufficient rationale for adding a new consumable. The standard for adding a new feature should be higher t...

IMO !h is fine, but definatly pick a weapon class and train it.

I should have been more clear, I was talking about the OOF/bolt of fire case. I was unaware that it was AC/2, I though it was just AC though. That does make having more AC a little better than I thought VS melee attacks when you have GDR.

The point is not that drain isn't survivable. The point is that good amulets don't actually help that much early game anyway, and as well as harm, there is also innacc, gormad, and MP regen for melee characters (I am assuming RC is available meaning innacc does nothing here). Faith is also pretty u...

Drain isnt a deal-breaker at any XL. At high level, you have a ton of options and consumables, and have probably diversified your skillset as well. Monsters are worth more xp, too, so a bit of careful play and you can quickly get back up to optimal levels. If you absolutely need your highest level ...

The trouble is that AC does not reduce max damage any more than EV does. I can see how a small chance of just not taking a high damage roll could be better than reducing it by 0-5 points.

I would advise training more fighting wither than dodging.

The question is not if I will improve my charater more often than not by wear IDing an amulet. The question is will I die because of skill drain from harm when I would have lived more of less often than the power increase from another amulet will let me live when I would have died.

I equip-ID'ed an Amulet of Harm at XL2. I'm a Summoner and so took it off. The drain nearly dropped me to all-zeroes skill-wise. I only just now finished working it off at the high end of XL6. I'm amazed I made it. Is it intended that Harm is that punishing at XL2?? Yes. Harm was added to the game ...

forget spells, wear CPA.

Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.20.1 (tiles) character file. Ceskocep the Thrower (Octopode Assassin) Turns: 26467, Time: 03:15:07 Health: 116/116 AC: 4 Str: 12 XL: 16 Next: 36% Magic: 24/24 EV: 35 Int: 30 God: Dithmenos [******] Gold: 2124 SH: 18 Dex: 33 Spells: 15/22 levels left rFire + + . Se...

Price was lose all piety. Almost nothing because I hadn't hit 1* yet after joining. a +4 amulet of reflection the ring "Kaar" {rF- Int+3 Dex+6} a +2 ring of evasion the cursed ring "Moniukle" {rPois Dex-3} a ring of protection from fire a +3 ring of strength a ring of protection ...

Heavy armour with Nem is about as strong as Be once you get Nem.

Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.20.1 (tiles) character file. Videigis the Carver (Human Monk) Turns: 22007, Time: 01:27:41 Health: 103/103 AC: 12 Str: 13 XL: 13 Next: 83% Magic: 20/20 EV: 17 Int: 11 God: Ru [******] Gold: 466 SH: 4 Dex: 17 Spells: 12/12 levels left rFire . . . SeeInvis . y - +7 ...

If you just want to win a human, go Be.

I seem to do best as melee with Hu, but then again I do about as well with DE melee as DE caster.

Kiku is fine. as Sp, you can probably afford to wait as long as you was to take the god that you want. Fustibalus has the same damage and min delay as a double sword if you use sling bullets. Oka would be a reasonable god choice to eventually get an enchantable or better artifact fustibalus as well ...

artifacts count for troves too, so you can dump trashy artifacts with bad properties like slay-6 +2 FDS to get into troves.

Draining is about as good as elec as far as I know. You could thereticaly keep both around for elec vurnerable draining resistant stuff, but OOFs, are elec immune and liches have rElec. You could rebrand the draining trident when you hit Z:5 or on the orb run though.

Gourmand is early-game relevant for some characters. It's ok to have items like that right? Food is relevant for some characters. Probably more than is commonly thought because people habitually don't explore avenues of development that would be open if hunger were a non-issue. I would try a foodle...

Scarf of cloud cover does not give an ego. Shadow dragon armour is still probably too heavy for you even with a ring of Str. I would not go higher than IDS, maybe not even that heavy.

Majang wrote:Can't you get your INT up a bit, for example by removing those gloves? That should reduce the hunger cost of your spells, and you would still have sufficient MR to make it.

MR++ only is risky on a tengue. only having MR+ would be pretty bad.

Maybe put back the Str weight system, but give everything 50% weighting across the board, to make it less spoilery.

For the love of god, use that helmet. I would consider thoughing the hat in lava at this point.

IMO hat is best when you have spirit shield and need MR. DD have great MR and can't really use spirit shield. The hat also gets better with good translocation like blink and passage.

raise Str all game and use slings/throwing.

Something like giving a enchant foo/acquirement ability that you can only use after finding the scroll could work. That way you get the same enchants/acquirements that other characters get, but you don't store them in your inventory. EG you find 3 ?ea. you can use ea as an ability 3 times now, but ...

I tried the start in wiz mode by starting as a HuCj, dropping the starting book, and gaining Vehu at 35 piety, and I wasn't impressed. Vehu is so weak and his gifts so unreliable to a early game character that the start felt like playing a melee character that was force to be atheist and start with ...

Something like giving a enchant foo/acquirement ability that you can only use after finding the scroll could work. That way you get the same enchants/acquirements that other characters get, but you don't store them in your inventory. EG you find 3 ?ea. you can use ea as an ability 3 times now, but y...

I think a more traditional piety gain system would work better, even though you are going for a more belelovent xom feel, because they are less scummable. Maybe exploration, or killing and exporation at half the gain that they normal give. I am not agaist the current capstone ablility, but it does s...

Armour shops are good anyway though.

Enchant the evening star by all means. I agree on waiting for training necro. Forget about crossbows, hand crossbow really sucks later in the get, you will get a lot of nice throwing ammo from shoals, and throwing works really well with shields. It also doesn't need your enchant scrolls.

I would forget about training up crossbows. Throwing is great and you have shoulds, meaning you can get a bunch on javilins eventualy, even if you don't do shoals right away, and throwing doesn't need enchant scrolls, which you are low on. Also, enchanting a +0 great mace to +3and training it to 20 ...

You can still get reasonable EV with a troll, and you are likely going to be in a robe or TLA or light DS like acid for a while. You also have so much Str you probably don't need more.

I think you are supposed to put points into dex with a melee troll.

Dith. the shadow mimic is like a 1.5X speed finesse that stacks with haste and is on all the time.

I meant IDS for later. IDS is obviousely not very good without enchantment.

I would go IDA. You have ways to offset the rF- and IDA give almost as much AC as plate while being robe weight for this guy.

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