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That's awesome, thanks! I'm using the second snippet (with the tiny change of logging "Danger!" in red using "warning"), and it's working great. My exploration has never been so safe.

I think if you go the route where you put force_mores on messages, you will want to catch it when you discover some monster when it "opens the door" or "opens the gate," too. Another approach is to use the safe moves listed in safe_move_shift.txt. These allow you to move but onl...

I would like my movement keys to stop working until I press Enter whenever a monster appears on the screen (so that I can manually explore somewhat fast without accidentally continuing moving after seeing a monster). My attempt of adding "force_more_message += into view" to my rc file near...

Thanks! It looks like in my 6 wins since I started playing again, I was shafted 22 times. That thread says the average (in a slightly older version) is 2.5, so it's a combination of a bit of bad luck and a bit of an increase since I last played.

Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.25-a0-1136-gc1285e6 (webtiles) character file. CarefulOdds the Warrior (Ogre Hunter) Turns: 54772, Time: 05:18:59 Health: 212/231 AC: 19 Str: 30 XL: 20 Next: 79% Magic: 27/27 EV: 17 Int: 12 God: Okawaru [******] Gold: 5101 SH: 0 Dex: 24 Spells: 27/29 levels left r...

A couple of questions on shafts. 1. Are they hugely more common than they used to be? I feel like I now expect several each game, which doesn't tally with my memories of a year ago. 2. Is there any way to avoid shafts or other traps - any skill that helps, or anything like that? (This question is pr...

... I bail out of extended after 3 Pan runes, go into Zot 1 hoping for a fairly painless ascension, and see this: Screenshot (2).png I died. What actually did most of the job is not pictured here - I (carelessly) didn't have SInv, and there was a ghost moth or three, which rather massacred my panic ...

Cheers, good to know I didn't miss something! Yeah, in the days of LRD destroying things I wouldn't have minded doing a quick bit of training and quaffing some brilliance. I can't remember the last time I didn't have a good stock of digging (only a little generated, and I used it in some sticky situ...

And I won. Got pretty badly blasted on the way back up, actually, despite invisibility.

Aha! I realised they can't see invisible, so I trained a quick bit of evocations and invisibled past.

So, I'm descending Zot with a MfSu, planning to grab the orb and make a run for it with my three runes. On Z3, all three downstairs are surrounded by some nasty blasty/summony draconians: download.png The other side has a third stormcaller and a scorcher. I'd feel safer on Zot 4 with a safe upstair....

Just to add that as it stands, the mechanic is quite obscure. I have an ongoing summoner game with some runes (so I've done a lot of summoning), and until I saw this thread I didn't realise I wasn't getting full XP for kills; there's nothing in log messages or spell descriptions as far as I see.

Second game of the tournament, and first one past D:2. I was well kitted out, had a great set of mutations, 14 ruins, and was hoping to set my personal high score. Then Tomb:3 happened. I was dispersal'd all over the place, killing things with holy fire, my huge axe, and the odd scroll of holy word ...

And that's pretty much true, but here's the thing: with current acquirement, the choice is already always a no-brainer if you're spoiled, and there's no realistic path to making it not a no-brainer. Is this true? As someone who's played a lot but hasn't looked up the acquirement rules or anything, ...

A problem with limiting time to play is that it changes playstyle. You have to play as fast as possible in real time to get the maximum points. Since that's not everybody's cup of tea, I think it would be better to instead limit the number of wins that can count for the tournament. Say, only the fi...

Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.22.0-38-g04b72b8 (webtiles) character file. 19374636 Odds the Skullcrusher (level 27, 212/212 HPs) Began as a Gargoyle Gladiator on Aug 26, 2018. Was the Champion of the Shining One. Escaped with the Orb ... and 15 runes! The game lasted 05:16:46 (79178 turns). Od...

tasonir wrote:Turns out that even one handed weapons with poor base damage aren't too terribly bad when they are +18 Did you not find any golden dragons for the last +2? I think the cap is still +18...

Alas, I only realised what it did in Zot, or it would have maxed out

Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.21.1-1-g345015f (webtiles) character file. 12834989 Odds the Gnoll Ballista (level 27, 212/244 (247) HPs) Began as a Gnoll Wanderer on Jan 27, 2018. Was the Champion of Vehumet. Escaped with the Orb ... and 15 runes on Feb 6, 2018! The game lasted 10:24:25 (126752...

I think the difference is one of what people feel ranged weapons "should" be (an unlimited primary weapon, like spells) vs what they actually are (a backup weapon, like wands). Mechanics wise, I feel that bows are identical to wands, except they do less damage and have more ammo. It's not...

I don't think spell hunger is like ranged ammo. Spell hunger is mostly irrelevant given how much food is in the game. Ranged ammo being limited is also similar to wand charges being limited, but nobody complains about that. Interesting... for me, maybe half of blasters have a tricky time with food ...

Thanks for the continued awesomeness in 0.21! I enjoyed gnolls, food streamlining, wand streamlining, training targets, and probably more things I've forgotten. Still need to play Wu Jian some time.

A quick thought on why these two similar feeling mechanics play out quite differently: Both spell hunger and limited ammo constrain your character in using their most powerful weapon. Both consume a finite resource which you get more of during the game. But spell hunger has interesting tactical opti...

My TrCK finds this on D:7:

Code:: K - +5 cloak of the Other Side {-Cast rC++ Dex+7}

A combined +8 to EV and AC, and rC++, isn't bad for a cloak.

From the description of its_a_trap, I think I was in there the other day (unless there's another zot-trap-heavy transporter vault). It was fun! I knew going in there was me diving out of any pretence of "optimal play". I knew that I might lose my character, who I'd put time and effort into...

Robe of resistance and focus on the casting seems almost certainly right. 5 STR rules out anything much heavier, and the +10 strength from the leather won't be doing much for you. And use some enchant armour on auxiliary armour, if you have any.

Yeah, when you get hit for 25% of your HP, it could be:
- Normal or even low for that monster; this is a crisis.
- Very high for that monster; worth worrying, but no need to press panic buttons
Knowing which is pretty much just experience (or the kind of detailed analysis noone does).

Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.20.0-15-g7f486f2 (webtiles) character file. 2688315 Odds the Conqueror (level 27, 249/249 HPs) Began as a Barachi Skald on July 8, 2017. Was the Champion of Ashenzari. Escaped with the Orb ... and 5 runes! The game lasted 04:56:55 (92068 turns). Odds the Conqueror...

If there's a hatch on V:4, that's often safer than going in the main entrance.

Definitely don't train that sword (for the foreseeable future). You have a good way of killing things - don't invest a mountain of XP in another when you could improve your defences. I'd be training Fighting and some Dodging at this point, and then spell schools again when Vehumet provides. An FDA i...

No! If I was streaking, I'd go into it some time around getting my first rune. Or more likely, I'd intend to do so and forget.

Are there any options to set spells as "recast if they expire while exploring"? For the various spells which it is a good idea to have always on - like Infusion and Ozcubu's Armour. It's annoying to have to either a) play in an obviously sub-optimal way or b) use warnings and many many but...

I have 2 questions: 1) What's the point of the transporter if I don't see any monsters? Do devs really want me to use it in permadeath game when I have no idea what I will see there, maybe it's full of titans or something? And I haven't identified teleportation in Lair yet (maybe it is one of those...

And is there any way to upgrade my character so I don't have to spend consumables in these situations? Don't think this way! Consumables are to be consumed, when you meet dangerous things or make stupid mistakes. Rupert is a dangerous thing, and using consumables to overcome him is expected and wis...

I find NaMo very fun, and somewhat good. Very early, you are pretty weak - Mo is a bad start. But once you find an altar of Chei, you are strong for the rest of the game. My distribution of wins/deaths with NaMo (all taking or planning to take Chei) bears this out: [09:34] <Odds> !lg Odds NaMo s=pla...

I asked a similar question here, and got some very helpful answers.

Cheers. Autoexplore is never great, but I get soooo bored when manually exploring and not going for a turn speedrun. I always forget crosstraining makes switching fine these days. Silly me. Anyway, I've now cleared Lair and Orc, and have a +2 battleaxe of chopping, so things are looking up. Lugonu p...

Just a few quick words of praise for 0.20 (having not played since around the 0.19 tourney). Nothing radically different, but I'm loving: - New mutation potion system. Much more interesting. - New tomb. A rune that gives me pause even when I have all the others is a nice challenge. And old tomb was ...

Nope! Found a slightly better (+4) handaxe, but that's it so far. However, I've now picked up a plate armour on D:10, and it's going a lot better since then.

Surviving so far, but with liberal - probably unsustainable - levels of banishment. Down-stairs to lair is surrounded by elephants, who with push-back and strength I can't take. All feeling like the game wants my mini-streak to end.

Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.20.0-7-g3b7b877 (webtiles) character file. Odds the Cleaver (Formicid Abyssal Knight) Turns: 13297, Time: 00:37:26 Health: 77/77 AC: 15 Str: 19 XL: 10 Next: 60% Magic: 14/14 EV: 9 Int: 12 God: Lugonu [***...] Gold: 188 SH: 0 Dex: 11 Spells: 9/9 levels left rFire +...

Is there anything I can put in my RC file to warn me when I attack with a particular weapon?

(In this case, my character sometimes wields a staff of energy, but also beats things up unarmed in Statue Form)

I just racked up YASD. It was utterly unnecessary; there were several opportunities to live, right up until the last turn, when I took an action with maybe 80% chance to kill my enemy when I had a 100% safe blinking escape route. I'd like to stop dying in completely stupid ways, but I can't seem to ...

Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.19.1 (webtiles) character file. Odds the Devastator (Deep Elf Conjurer) Turns: 72067, Time: 03:57:50 Health: 128/128 AC: 15 Str: 3 XL: 21 Next: 92% Magic: 46/46 EV: 25 Int: 32 God: Vehumet [******] Gold: 1435 SH: 7 Dex: 15 Spells: 14 memorised, 0 levels left rFire...

I'd say GrEE of Vehumet for the easiest. It's both rather powerful and rather forgiving due to very good defenses.

Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.19.0-18-g426998a (webtiles) character file. Odds the Black Belt (Vine Stalker Monk) Turns: 10678, Time: 01:13:35 Health: 78/78 AC: 29 Str: 26 XL: 15 Next: 10% Magic: 23/23 EV: 19 Int: 24 God: Cheibriados [******] Gold: 21 SH: 0 Dex: 35 Spells: 1 memorised, 20 leve...

Sprucery wrote:e: Congrats to Odds for the victory and sorry for your thread...!

Thanks, and no worries. It's been interesting.

Hooray! Won, with no drama, though lack of switchable rElec is a pain in Zot. Practically infinite haste, heal wounds and brilliance is pretty sweet.

(FWIW: I went into Crypt, found a ring of rF rC, replaced my MP ring with it, went into V:5, blinked into a good terrain corner, and am currently hitting lots of wardens with a stick. Found my first rElec on a fairly sweet quarterstaff; pity they're two handed)

I think this thread understates the dangers of V:5 to a ridiculous extent. Good play in nearly any other area in the game can really limit the enemies you face; in V:5, between the welcome party (inc wardens), sentinels and the volume of enemies, that's really hard to guarantee. Going down there whe...

Thanks. In my experience (maybe I'm doing it wrong), Vaults 5 entry often involves unavoidably fighting a decent crowd; either on the stairs, or after a hatch/random tele, as running away doesn't reliably decrease the number of monsters around. I'd be somewhat happy clearing Vaults 5 once I was firs...

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