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Dredmor is very gamey and slow, and when you speed it up, you're likely to make silly mistakes. Lack of autoexploe and basically no in-game information on enemies is a problem. It actually has more damage types than TomE, which is just silly. TomE is pretty cool, but it has some problems too. It's a...

I would mourn the loss of Sif's miscast protection, personally, if it's being replaced by one Wizardry rank. Miscast blocking is unique to Sif and often negates the need for Wizardry anyway, unless you mean to spam high level conjurations or something, in which case why not follow Veh? I definitely ...

Shaft Traps could *always* send you to a vault. Vaults could be made for this specific purpose, so you don't go from D4 to D7 but rather to "Shaft 1", which is a small level dangerous to a typical D4 character. After all, presumably the trap is intended to drop you into a dangerous situati...

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I would say that maybe Death should be able to reappear even if defeated, a la Boris (it's Death, after all)... But should only be encountered in Hell/Abyss/Pan, and I guess Zot if you want to be mean about it.

Other horsemen to come? :p

I think this has been mentioned before, but it seems an obvious and mechanically thematic solution. Both are theoretically chemical attack types of a kind, both apply a status effect as a major part of the attack, and it has been said again and again how much it sucks that Poison lacks spells above ...

Fire Storm is very powerful even with the RFire you're wearing, so be sure to get into melee with Cerebov quickly and cast Silence ASAP once you're there.

You should always value GDR over AC - after all, it's GUARANTEED. So yeah, that's why Ozocobu's is awful.

dynast wrote:Dith is great for Fire Elementalist because of shadow mimic.

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You should play Felid - then you won't waste exp training Armor.

Sure. But that's never been a serious problem for me - generally three boosted wand blasts are going to solve any problems a wand can solve, unless you've pulled the entire level into an open area because uhh... Qazlal or something. To be fair, though, I don't think I've ever had the mutation above ...

I think it's better to focus on the effects of switching to an HP cost for the majoity of characters for whom both resources are tactical. Hell, for a significant percentage of characters, MP powered wands may as well just be free wand power (Trog followers and heavy armor, as mentioned above).

There are characters for whom MP powered wands is a purely or near-purely beneficial mutation (very heavy armour users, Trog followers), yet it is classed a "bad" mutation. Many others still only get benefits from it as they simply cast a few charms then wand as needed if things go south. ...

Mirror Spell could be too close to the effects of Dith's Shadow Mimic... A sort of reflective disguise could be an interesting ability, but you probably don't want it allowing the resetting of fights; seems like it should be something you use to avoid making creatures hostile in the first place. A h...

If you're a Spriggan with decent Spellcasting (or a munmy, I guess) food should be a non-Issue. Gozag shops offer a wide range each time, where Sif can take forever to give you what you're looking for. Best of all, Gozag can give you other stuff besides just books - even a pure caster can benefit fr...

Gargoyles like Dith - They are stealthy, bleed smoke often due to bad hp (but yeah, bad hp is bad), and a mimicked Iron Shot is basically amazing. Pretty sure I 15 runed my Gargoyle EE of Dith, and it generally felt pretty strong the whole time, as long as you pick your battles (Dith Stealth Helps) ...

Well, the way I said it originally was basically train slings and also you can throw. Both ways are fine, I guess, as long as you aren't training Slings beyond a reasonable level - train Throwing for stronger emergency range, train Slings if uhh... You need to kill popcorn very efficiently, I guess....

Sure, just train Throwing. But Slings still get a slight boost when you train throwing, since you are then crosstraining slings, making them slightly less bad.

But yea, slings are pretty darn weak, especially later on.

Well, I see that now. I don't generally follow Trunk, and I missed the link when first reading the thread so that's my mistake. Sorry for stirring things up, then. In my defense, the version to which I was referring to was made clear in the edit on my ("talking out of my ass") post, and th...

Actually, both of you are pulling things out of your ass. Monks and gladiators currently get the exact same amount of weapon skill. I literally just checked *again* with a human monk and a human (unarmed skill) gladiator. You are wrong or trolling. I will post turn 0 morgue files if you need me to....

The point of the monk is that you're trading your starting gear for the piety. Since you have no starting gear, you have no weapon, thus unarmed skill. Piety is a somewhat limited resource, perhaps analogous to a Gladiator's nets (and weapon/armor/helm) or a Fighter's might potion (and weapon/armou...

Artificers and Hunters aside, the piety and the unarmed on monks are in fact related, as I explained above. I would be happy for Artificer to start with a quarterstaff, but that could be OP I guess. Hunters could probably survive D1 even without a melee weapon. Perhaps short blades are for flavor in...

The point of the monk is that you're trading your starting gear for the piety. Since you have no starting gear, you have no weapon, thus unarmed skill. Piety is a somewhat limited resource, perhaps analogous to a Gladiator's nets (and weapon/armor/helm) or a Fighter's might potion (and weapon/armour...

Sif DCall is ridiculous, yeah. Sif's miscast protection also allows you to cast spells that would otherwise be dangerous with impunity. Sif is good. I am a fan of Sif.

Seriously? Use your amnesia power to reselect spells for each branch before you enter. Profit.

Also, just how high is your Spellcasting? I believe each level of Spellcasting gives 2 spell levels to memorize...

Also, Slings crosstrain with throwing, which is significant because throwing is very strong. So, if you're a slings specialist, you can take out popcorn with Stones, moderate threats with bullets, and serious problems with Needles. You also get use of a shield. Of course, slings do fairly crummy dam...

Bolts have higher base damage than arrows. Crossbows are very accurate as a weapon class. They are also highly damaging. Hand Crossbows are an excellent early game weapon with minimal investment and allow use of a shield. All this with far superior damage to a short bow, nearly as much as a long bow...

As it stands, finding a +Invis item early and using it liberally (resting to burn off the contamination) can basically ensure that you make it through Lair (and probably Orc) with very few real problems. Invis is a very strong combat buff in addition to it's stealth benefits. Simply adding Contam on...

I had contemplated a "create door" ability, but it doesn't feel like a capstone. I suppose it could come at ** and just cost a goodly chunk offl piety. I think maybe such an ability should also be slow, but the god does have some fairly strident conduct, so maybe it's okay if it's just exp...

Fair point about the plethora of areas without doors. I had thought at one point about giving conduct not to leave stuff in doors but, yeah, that's awful. Possibly we could have closing a door on loot/corpses/etc destroy that stuff (only artifacts survive)? If the capstone abitiy were something like...

I have been ruminating on this god idea for a while. I'm sure it's far from ready - lots of stuff is negotiable, but I think there is some interesting design space to explore. As god of borders and enclosures, Tuoroni has opposed Lugonu's corruption of space since time immemorial. A character who ha...

Don't remove Wizard - you've got to be joking with that. A generalist magician should exist, and it's one of the more interesting book starts, imo. I would be happy for the rest of the Mage backgrounds to get Wizard starting stats, however, with the possible exception of VM, since lots of people her...

Perhapd I came across with a stronger stance than I intended. My point, ultimately, wasn't that DG must be high powered "casters," so much as that high powered casters can benefit from being DG, if that makes sense. With a bit of investment in Fighting and, say, staves, you can be fairly b...

Oh, something worth knowing with regards to spiny frogs and mambas: they will avoid a flame cloud in the open, but if you cast it, say, three times and make a little "wall" perpendicular to their approach, they generally dive in and burn. Note, however, that a Spiny Frog or Mamba can still...

Slow is worth memorizing if you have the spell levels. If you haven't found another book by Lair to kills stuff with, you will want something to help you deal with/escape singular, dangerous enemies - Spiny Frogs and Black Mambas in particular are faster than you and resist your Mephetic Cloud. They...

Taking stairs doesn't trigger Barb damage, or at least it didn't when reported this strange fact and was told it wasn't a big deal... Though, presumably the entire point of Barb status is preventing the player from retreating/repositioning, and Stairs are the essentially the best form of retreat in ...

Not sure how this would work in terms of coding, but could Centaurs have normal speed, but get automatic Swift status when there are, say, no more than 3 wall tiles adjacent? The idea being that horses are fast but also big and bulky, not ideal for moving around tight spaces (could give -swift with ...

Demigods don't have "fairly high" INT. They have the highest INT of any species. They start tied with Deep Elves, and they can take 2 more every 3 levels, so 8 every 12 levels if you put all stat bumps to INT. Deep Elves get 1 every 3 and 1 every 4, so 7 every 12 if they pump nothing but I...

I can say from experience that DgWz is very fun (imo) and can be quite good. Also, you get the very best INT in the game, barring Chei, so there is that. The extra hp/mp and Str/Dex are also quite nice. Of course, you have to enjoy a Wizard playstyle, and you have to rely on finding a decent Killdud...

Even if it weren't Evil with a capital E, it would make sense for Ely to hate the thing, given that it's literally an Amulet of Harm and Ely is The Healer. Also, Ely's conduct is quite light compared to Zin and TSO, presently - not sure how intentional that is. I would be happy to see more Ely condu...

Are they as good as a Dagger, or just the standard Short Blade bonus?

Edit: Oh, and sorry if this has been asked a million times before.

And you people do realize that str ALWAYS increased damage more than dex for every weapon except quick blades, right? Even with demon whips, a point of str gave you more damage than a point of dex, always. For quick blades they gave you the exact same amount of damage. Similarly, dex ALWAYS increas...

It affects ogres less than almost any other race because they already had much more str than dex and were using weapons with high str weight (giant (spiked) clubs). Similarly it affects shortblade users less than most characters because they already (usually) had much more dex than str and were usi...

...ogres and short blade users were the two least-affected groups by this change. I just re-read the article on the wiki (and yeah, the wiki sucks but...). I just can't see how this could possibly be true unless that article is totally wrong or I have totally misconstrued it. 100% Str Weight would ...

Why was it removed? Okay, I understand that it's a fringe mechanic that will only have a substantial effect on a minority of characters, and that it's notation in game had mysteriously vanished over the past few versions... But why remove it? The solution (imo) is to explain it better to newbies, no...

Name pretty much says it all. A Formicid doesn't have access to many of the escape options commonly available to other characters should a bad shaft occur (short of, conceivably, shafting themselves *again* :/), especially early on. Given the Formicid connection with Earth and ability to sense monst...

Well, the idea was for Spellcasting to give a sort of soft limitation on what level spells you can cast repeatedly, which (as I understand it) is the idea behind Spell Hunger, though that is fairly meaningless due to the amount of food in the game. Point being that Spellcasting just giving more MP w...

FR: instead of hunger, make things cost extra mp. This limits the amount of times it can be used per encounter much more effectively, still potentially "causes" hunger in the form of waiting around longer to regain mp, and is fully compatible with removing food, should that come to pass. I...

Can't Ghouls starve? Anyway, the rot could certainly get awful. Yeah, removing food probably means removing Ghouls altogether, doesn't it?

So, if food isn't removed, and blood is, do we want Vamps eating bread rations? Or do they become carnivorous? Or, do they just blow mummies away completely by having no food clock while other (non-undead) species still have to eat?

yesno wrote:ok but seriously remove spriggans imo

I'm tempted to agree but would hate to see the various enemy Spriggans go... But I think Wieglaf (sp?) is still a Mountain Dwarf (the last of his kind...) so whatever.

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