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I should've named this character "Tolkien's Revenge". A high elf can succeed in many ways: as a skald, as an air elementalist, or as a bow-wielding hunter. I've had good success with skalds, my air elementalists also seem to become skalds, but I don't have a lot of experience with projecti...

Overall I think that most changes to the game have been for the better. The upcoming version has quite a few that I dislike, however. I like high elves because they are quite unique with their high attributes and aptitudes. No other species can quite match them as a (skald) melee + Makhleb + Tornado...

Walked out of Z:27 unscathed! Grats! I haven't dared to try and clear a Zig without Makhleb's heal-from-kills. STILL NO HASTE. Are you talking about the spell? It doesn't exist in 0.19. No that big of deal, as hasting wand + recharging is enough to use in tricky situations. One just can't have it o...

Well, my humble opinion remains: many species have too much HP to win the game, and instead of removing species with less HP the devs should start removing or nerfing the ones with too much. I said my piece. Merry whatever jingles your bells.

bel wrote:I don't understand the rest of the post, so I won't say anything else.

I assume it's like adjusting the game difficulty: some will always find it too easy, and some too hard. I think I understand the game devs a bit more now.

bel wrote:I play hellcrawl offline; why do you think you can't? You can compile it the same way as normal crawl.

I'm adept in building software, so maybe I'll give it a try.

bel wrote:I don't understand the rest of the post, so I won't say anything else.

Really? I'm sorry if it was too hard to understand.

Re: hellcrawl: I like the idea, but I only play offline so I will unlikely try that. I'd hazard a guess that it's almost impossibly hard to win with a felid, or at least a felid would require a shit ton of luck, so I'm personally not interested. Re: speedrunning: I'm not interested in skipping conte...

There's nothing stopping you from quitting if your HP drops below 50%. Do you really think speedrunning is all about being lucky with drops? Why do some people manage to get lucky so often then? Perhaps they just speedrun more? That is surely part of the reason, but nowhere near all of the reason. ...

There's nothing stopping you from quitting if your HP drops below 50%. Do you really think speedrunning is all about being lucky with drops? Why do some people manage to get lucky so often then? Perhaps they just speedrun more? That is surely part of the reason, but nowhere near all of the reason. ...

To be serious, lowering HP is the laziest and most unconcerned approach to make game harder. I'm curious, what would you do to make the game more challenging while keeping high HP? IMO, entropy weavers are an example of a good monster: they require careful play and punish charging. They still vary ...

You can use self-imposed conducts/challenges. Like speedrunning. I don't find speedrunning interesting because you're not trying to win the game, you're trying to get lucky with drops. Getting an early vine stalker with statue form by bypassing content is like throwing dice and hoping to get all si...

And Necromutation has preference to Glaciate and Fire Storm. After Tornado, getting to lichform is key.

To clear the first Zig, the easiest way is to worship Makhleb and have Tornado at low fail, preferably 1%. If you have those, the strategy is to walk towards the enemies, cast Tornado, keep doing that until everyone's dead. Wear the best Int+ and Str+ gear you have to be able to cast Tornado at low ...

MfSk is the closest one can get to HESk, probably. They have 10 pp more HP, but their Air apt make them impossible to get earlyish Tornado, so that particular build is out. Also, worse attributes. So it's like comparing a human to most builds: yeah, somewhat similar but not quite. Mf Sk + polearms ...

To be serious, lowering HP is the laziest and most unconcerned approach to make game harder. To be serious as well, I found the felid 15-runer to be maybe my most satisfying win because of the low HP. Low HP = you need to play carefully. High HP = just tab through everything, occasionally quaff a p...

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But you've won pretty much everything in the game. What would you do to make the game more challenging?

Recently I've being playing felids quite a lot. I like them because the most interesting part of the game is the early game, and having low HP forces you to play the elusive "optimal play" a lot longer than with many other species. Even if you get Statue Form, you still have low HP and hav...

Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.19.0 (tiles) character file. Heskadux the Meteorologist (High Elf Skald) Turns: 113625, Time: 19:54:15 Health: 230/230 AC: 45 Str: 30 XL: 27 Magic: 55/55 EV: 27 Int: 43 God: Makhleb [******] Gold: 14204 SH: 11 Dex: 17 Spells: 18 memorised, 0 levels left rFire + + ...

Do boots of the assassin work with UC? They should: /** * Can we get a good stab with this weapon? */ bool melee_attack::player_good_stab() { return wpn_skill == SK_SHORT_BLADES || player_mutation_level(MUT_PAWS) || player_equip_unrand(UNRAND_BOOTS_ASSASSIN) && (!weapon || is_melee_weapon(*...

You seem to be in a good form. I'd train some Stealth next, even Stlth+++ would help, although I eventually train Stealth to at least 10-15 with my transmuters. It helps avoid being spotted right away and close the distance to monsters with ranged attacks. Helps you a bit avoid being mutated as well...

That's quite a shafting I must say. Without weapon and Stealth skills, your stabbing bonus is close to 0 so trying to get a stab doesn't help. That little killdudes at this point is quite a challenge game I must say. I'd probably put on protection from fire first, no matter what. I've rarely used /d...

I guess many people would suggest to pick up the first decent weapon and use that with a monk, but I like UC because it scales so well, esp. with forms. With UC Statue Form is the biggest boost of course, but with the innate AC bonus Blade Hands is great as well. Transmuters get it from the get go, ...

...as a felid I get

Code:: Shops: D:6 * D:10 [ D:11 [ Orc:2 [((%

5/7 for unusable items and felids don't really need extra food either. On the bright side my shopping list is empty.

If you find yourself playing a game too much, you're depressed.

I rolled a FeVM as I don't have a VM win yet, and sometimes I find felids fun to play. VM is an ok start as a felid: Sting + quick movement is quite useful, and Mephitic Cloud is a very cheap, but loud confusing spell. Found an altar of Uskayaw before Temple, and because I've never used it, and reme...

I've played a bunch of felids somewhat recently, and I found that playing enchanter-like early on and melee in Statue Form later on is quite a successful felid formula. Early hexes + UC (felids have short blade claws for some sweet stabs) + stealth + quick movement makes a felid pretty much a SpEn. ...

duvessa wrote:i love how majin-bo is so crappy that you can claim it literally doesn't exist and nobody will call you out on it

By the way, nobody has claimed that in this thread, so you're the Donald Trump of Tavern.

duvessa wrote:i love how majin-bo is so irrelevant that multiple people are saying it literally doesn't exist

Well, it is vampiric, so it's pretty annoying to use with a staff of energy, and also it's two-handed so you'll lose all of SH, which is a pretty big penalty.

It's almost impossible to max spellpower without Archmagi.

Sure, I meant that after certain point, 1.5x spellpower is way better than any Int item.

Sphara wrote:Octopodes can wield staves and several intelligence granting rings. Also hats can boost INT too. I think those more than make up with the archmagi ego.

Because of the stepdowns, Int by itself doesn't help spellpower all that much without 1.5x from Archmagi.

I'm a bad mind-reader, so I'll take the rationale for removal at face value. It was the only Archmagi item an octopode could wear, Archmagi items are rare, so I think the rationale is incorrect. And I have worn the hat with an octopode before, outside of zigs, it increases AC from Statue Form and ma...

I'm running my best octopode zigbuster so far , and just realized that the Hat of the High Council was removed in 0.19.1. Rationale from the changelog: Remove the hat of the High Council It's one of a very large number of mechanically similar unrands that improve spellcasting in some way at a cost (...

Ice From gives 30% HP, Ozo Armour gives movement penalty. I wouldn't recommend casting Ozo without Ice Form or Chei because Op needs to run away often. Chei is the worst god for Op no matter if Tm or not because Op cannot wear heavier armour (Str boost is mostly wasted), you are already likely to h...

Ice Form is a good spell, no doubt. I've used it heavily to fetch the Lair runes when Statue Form didn't drop, but I still prefer Blade Hands + rPois. So for me, "situationally useful" is when I have neither poison resistance nor Statue Form.

OpTm (or Op anything + UC) is a good candidate for a "start weak, become super strong later" character. UC octopodes experience maybe the biggest step up in power in the game after getting Statue Form reliably castable. Tm background is certainly not terrible with an octopode. Sticks to Sn...

CanOfWorms wrote:you do realize you can't use borg's while in lich form right

Yes. And I also realize it's the best panic button spell in the game, and worth picking up by itself, done that, although I've never used it. Does it make lichform bad and useless? I don't think it does.

Lichform unreasons: ⋅ You already have torment resistance, like Kiku or Statue Form. ⋅ You have the best-in-class holy or antimagic weapon. ⋅ rN+++, no good mutations to protect. ⋅ You're wearing CPA/GDA. ⋅ You're not casting spells at all, or have ...

**Topic:** Trunk updates, 15 January 2020

As the removal of Stoneskin is a sign of our times, and the remaining boost makes people slow, I'll wager an unfunny mod action in the near future. In before.

IMHO, Necromutation being just bad is a tavern meme, because it gets repeated quite often without further explanation. There's no doubt that immunity to torrent and mutations in extended is superb. But like many things in Crawl, it's situational. Lichform reasons: ⋅ You are playing a "...

Both are great. I'd mainly use the vampiric one and only switch to the elec one to fight hordes of nonliving monsters.

"This trove requires the presence of the abyssal rune of Zot to function. Show it the item?" l - the amulet "Joxoh" {Harm *Drain rF- rC++} m - the cursed ring "Ivvuk" {rF+ rC+ Int+5} You see here an uncursed ring of fire. o - a cursed ring of protection from cold p - th...

Shtopit wrote:What does =R mean?

It's an inscription I added (see section Inscriptions in http://crawl.akrasiac.org/docs/crawl_manual.txt) that means not to remove the ring. So when I (P)ut on a ring, it automatically replaces the other ring and doesn't suggest the =R one.

...as a melee felid the first spellbooks I find are Changes, Frost, and Maledictions.

And just before Spider and Swamp branches, I find

Code:: the ring of Cysma (left foreclaw) {rPois rF++ MR+ Dex+4, =R}

There are many other threads and posts that say a lot of the same things in different ways, but Berder's Guide to Safe Crawling thread has a lot of good advice distilled in a single post. Even as someone with wins at the time it gave me some food for thought. Personally, for the longest time, I had ...

I got my only conjurer win with a spriggan of Dithmenos. For a SpCj Dith was an ok match because extra stealth gave a lot of free sleep stabs, I got the 3rd rune from Abyss without killing a single monster, and the shadow mimic boosts conjurations somewhat. Apart from stabbing, it was a conjurations...

I'd guess with Str/Dex >= 50 on a vinestalker Slay+5 is somewhat more helpful. Blade Hands or other strong forms might make it more fiddy-fiddy. Confusing Touch is one of those spells I'm always happy to find with an unarmed combatant since it works against HD, not MR like Confuse, so it's effective...

1) Ashenzari because all that extra info is useful throughout the game, so are skill boosts.

2) Probably Okawaru because Heroism solves almost every problem early on, Finesse a bit later, and extra gear is nice.

1+2 = boost for both fighting skills and spells.

A felid deals ludicrous stabbing damage, and stabbing bonus is (UC+Stealth)/2, so like Nino said, train some Stealth next. Anything that nets you more stabs is a good Felid spell, and Mephitic Cloud is one. Other great stabbing spells to be on a lookout for are hexes like Confusing Touch, Ensorcelle...

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