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I will just assume it has nothing to do with running out of cmut.

Serious though, did they remove the exploit of using warp weapon to change the holy brand temporary so you could curse it? In any case, i support the OP.

Siegurt wrote:What if DD just couldn't heal at all, in any way, ever?

I once had the batshit crazy idea of a race that did no have hit points, instead has deterioration 3 and once one(or all) stats reach zero they die.

removeelyvilon wrote:Can pan lords still have distortion brand btw?

They do, and when they do its safe to say its THEM who decides if you are getting into melee or not.

Oh but it is still, so let me cut the drama and ask the thought provoking question: What do you do when you find out the pan lord is not chaos branded?

I think this post sums up why DD needs a rework. DD feels busted and uninteresting to experienced players while hostile and painful towards new players.

VeryAngryFelid wrote:just because

I just wanted you to say that.

Everything, grind yourself out of Trog while you are at it.

I dont think there is anything "painful" about playing any dd, quite the contrary, it is a smooth care-free run. If anything, its just boring. Your pain is just you trying to play a highly resourceful race conservatively.

By grinding.

I dont like gambling, so i plan to handle the worst because, as you may agree, its not 100% avoidable.

VeryAngryFelid wrote:So how do you avoid being attacked in melee?

I dont.

VeryAngryFelid wrote:Do you mean you always have level 9 spells?

no.

Sar wrote:It did work for years...

I would like your definition of "work". If werent for speedrunners im pretty sure it would be THE least played race, And nobody who wants to set records will speedrun 0.20 deep dwarves so... RIP

Having lost a NaBe to a chaos pan lord in d:1 i started bulding all my nagas around being able to kill them and it worked out for the best.

At this point you just want to ruin extended for unspoiled players because of experienced players. We have tiles chat for that.

Elitist wrote:This sounds exciting. I hope there's a way to make sure an unrand doesn't bust the game.

Isnt that the whole purpose of a rand/unrand?

I like trunk because thats the whole point of playing a game that is constantly going through changes.

The only thing making my hunter games take longer is having to spare ammo. Still, they only take 2-4 hours which is pretty close to melee.

Well then I am genuinely at a loss what the design philosophy means with "random gameplay". Its means that randomness will define how you will play each game, creating variety. Which in 99% of such games is horseshit when you can pick a race that is good at doing something specific and a ...

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dynast wrote:Heavy shitpost warning

You devils could have just let deep dwarves regen naturally... preserving his main design

wow, you weren't kidding

If DD's main design is "dont regen life", at some point you will have to realise that design doesnt work.

I voted kiting makes the game better but since everyone is talking about kiting as if it was a feature and not a drawback to a actual feature of the game its safe to say its a meme.
The correct question is "does being able to go where you please makes the game better or worse?"

It is too cheap IMHO when minotaur in CPA apports the rune and teleports away. Yeah, thats shameful display, the minotaur should just swagger walk his way to the rune and then to the portal out. edit: to be clear, the only time a cpa minotaur should get apport is to steal the rune in front of the u...

but Crawl is random enough that even the best players die occasionally, and any time a player dies by a narrow margin, it means that they could have survived that situation if they'd had more skill XP to allocate to defenses. Its random enough that it is impossible to measure if 1 extra training in...

Heavy shitpost warning You devils removed High Elf, one of the most played races, in order to fill it with what will be a undesirable race. You devils could have just give high elves the ability to leap, its not like you suddenly care about races being balanced amongst each other... or maybe you do...

KoboldLord wrote: The Rune Ninja player behavior is more desirable than the Genocide Mode player behavior.

Im a Genocide Mode player and i aprove this.

Well, you could just make it so that the player stops gaining skill experience after xl27, or give the player a limited number of skill points he can learn during the whole game. Extended is in the game because its optional, it shouldnt be a problem to those not willing to do it, at least it has not...

I think of it in the opposite way. DoT is fine, it's kiting which is the problem. Of course you do. The control over the monster goes from (a) > (b) > (c) - not always, but in most cases. It seems to me that the (good) basis for cloud spells is that you do more damage in return for less control ove...

1. DoT is bad DoT is the least interesting way to deal damage to enemies and if you did your homework you would have observed how changes are trying to deal with the problems DoT brought to the game(clouds now disapear when you leave their LoS), most of them due to your ability to kite enemies. The...

Yeah, learn to speedrun you scrub.

Serious though im not concerned with timed ood spawns as much as i am concerned with out of my control d:2 sigmund and d:3 grinder spawns.

YEAP.

Really (and i have said this before) all that it takes to make vm not-tedious is a low level summon that can soak hits and suplement damage while the poison damage does its work. If it is immune to poison it can do double duty up through mid lair it it has enough hps. Replace summon forest with sum...

ONIchinchin wrote:So if Poison Magic got a hypothetical level 9 spell that is risky to use and immediately cancels its ongoing Poison effects once you stop taking this risk then it's a pass?

dynast wrote:Keep in mind that the devs want the different types of spell schools to be distinct from each other

Sure, lets accept that poison and tornado are both DoT(which is true) and take a deeper look into both of them: Tornado requires a insane amount of exp investment, does a lot a damage during a short period of time, requires you to be as close as possible to your target to maximize damage output and ...

Keep in mind that the devs want the different types of spell schools to be distinct from each other, so making an argument trying to compare them only works against you.

Tornado is a lvl 9 spell so it falls into the "game is already won meme" category.

increase STRENGTH if you want to hit things.

Everything you just said is backwards thinking at its finest and i dont wanna engage into the mental gymnastics you want me to. I only know one game where packs are designed to be fought together and thats ragnarok online, because in that game mobbing enemies into packs is time/cost efficient. The o...

They were designed to be dangerous together, so that when you see a yak or killer bee pack you dont go "hum, i should get in between them and see how it goes". You never want to deal with the whole pack unless the game forces you to. Troll shaman/spriggan packs are good examples of that.

I would be ok with that idea if monster packs werent designed to be split off.

If you played enough naga or frog games optimally at some point you realised that if you see a single orc its better to lure that single orc, because you have to assume that orc belongs to a pack, which might contain a priest. while when you play normal moving races you will fight that orc and if a ...

@ dynast, I'd like to see BoC become comperable to bolt of fire, a slight buff to ozo's and metabolic, Fcloud moved to a place where it becomes an optimal skilling choice in a significant but not overwhelming number of games, and some "breathless" L7 spell just for the silence interaction...

Im trying to give you some insight, which you seem to be dismissing, or i am just that bad at expressing myself. Your thoughts on luring dont even scratch the surface of the "issue", so i want to know if you want to discuss the other facets of luring or if you just made this post to school...

Shtopit wrote:So how does it work now with Dragon's Call?

Fuck if i know...

You are really glossing over the fact the enemies do more things than just "hit you". Bel said vault sentinel, not guard, which is what you said in your vault example. You also said: I recently got into the habit of simply skipping open levels in D when playing non-summoners. In Vaults, I ...

Because you can already use sack of spiders with TSO and it does not feel problematic or dumb in any way, it is just a silly conduct that is hostile for early worshippers.

I played games where i learned silence and used it mostly if not only on elven halls and tomb - before scarabs and animated weapons inhabited those places - and even back then i felt like i was just setting myself to fail because of how silence works against you as its duration expires.

What do you suggest?

I dont see the problem in map's layout alone, i think its the whole "pack" that you would have to consider problematic, the map layout, the enemy's design that makes fighting certain combinations of enemies a death sentence, the stealth and noise mechanics, the respawn of enemies.

Would be easier to tell you what happened if you didnt skip the text you quoted. My take is that you are playing the Ieoh Jian god fork, where weapons are fucked up.

You go downstairs through the Shoals entrance, there are no walls, no favorable terrain and the enemies in your LoS are faster than you, reach for attack and have ranged weapons. [...] I don't get it. That's covered by my tl;dr, alone. So what's the question? My question is, "so what?", i...

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