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I found that a hybrid with melee + skald permabuffs + cigotuvi's can basically do a 0-rune run as soon as those are online, but that may have changed depending on how hard cigotuvi's and other permabuffs got nerfed. Some gods seem to do really well whether or not you go the hybrid route like Qazlal:...

An easy fix would be to just shorten extended further. This kind of "extended" can already be tested in hellcrawl where Pandemonium forces you through all unique pan levels with randomly generated ones being removed, Abyss rune was removed, and only 1 hell branch is randomly generated thou...

Like bel said, you wanna save on magic mapping. Heck, it should specifically be labeled as a yellow/high value scroll. The difficulty on the last hell floor varies a lot though and could be adjusted; Cocytus can easily be a dead end since large gaps of deep water is a recurring theme, and without en...

A lot of the perm spells are definitely too good for their level, but it should be a minor numbers issue for most of them. Song of slaying is a notable exception where it seems to not make any noise, and that's definitely too strong for being level 2 *and* permanent which is already a big buff to th...

As far as progression goes, if you're about to skip a branch and/or rune the game will notify you before proceeding. The branch order for a "full" 9-rune run is Dungeon->Orc->Lair sub-branch->Vaults->Slime->Depths->Pan->Zot but you can do stuff like Dungeon->Orc->Slime but that's obviously...

I dunno is this really all THAT strong. I mean I kind of doubt even the rather nice set of mutations you mention is actually stronger than the ability sets of some Gods. This is what I had with my gargoyle by the time I finished: You are quite resistant to negative energy. (rN++) <-- rN+ is innate ...

Xom is a little too powerful right now I think (as dumb as that sounds), due to timed portal areas and Pandemonium not being affected by doom timer. Basically you can wait indefinitely for Xom effects and the only really dangerous effects you can get hit by are getting abyssed and maybe some hostile...

Book burning is basically conjure flame that can work on a tile with a monster; it's quite useful but berserkers are also so powerful that I'm always hard pressed to find situations where I need them outside of some niche cases. Book burning fits Trog flavor quite well though, so it'd be nice if tha...

Declare the last enemy you see between you and the exit as the final boss (usually a ufetubus)

I like how hellcrawl does transformations; it works by replacing success rate with a MP reserved cost and allowing you to sustain that form without recasting. You still need to train skills to a similar degree since you need it to reduce the MP requirement to a realistic numbers. This sounds like a...

I like how hellcrawl does transformations; it works by replacing success rate with a MP reserved cost and allowing you to sustain that form without recasting. You still need to train skills to a similar degree since you need it to reduce the MP requirement to a realistic numbers.

It's a bad mechanic to restrict areas of the game to characters who make a highly specific and significant skill investment to get a particular spell which may or may not be available in a particular game. Doubly so if the situation is spoilery. I think we both agree but I was being more charitable...

Yeah, this makes special levels like forest-themed depths or those Lair endings more interesting and dynamic. It's not necessarily a bad thing to restrict these to the cool guys who can train the relevant spells but you're definitely missing out now.

Before skeletons are put to rest, I spooked Lom Lobon:

How about adjusting Orb run difficulty according to the branches you visit and/or number of runes you have? If you do this and remove Pan, you could just use a random Pan level (or multiple ones) as part of the Orb run, and/or scale spawn rates accordingly. The incentive for making the game harder t...

Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 5.2-4-g6121e92 (webtiles) character file. 27442662 bananaken the Middleweight Champion (level 27, 275/275 (276) HPs) *SPEED* Began as a Ghoul Monk on Nov 12, 2017. Was the Champion of Cheibriados. Escaped with the Orb ... and 2 runes! The game lasted 01:41:36 (22628...

Sometimes it feels like surviving an entrance to a new floor can be almost entirely up to luck, specially early on (picture spawning into a spot where you're cornered and run into an orc pack with a priest on D:3 or something), so I had an idea regarding entering new floors: what if you had an XCOM2...

Sticking to Berserker only feels like you run into a brick wall around Depths/Zot, permabuffs are a huge benefit that compensate for the lack of XP and difficulty spikes later on.. it could be fun to do berserker and then try abandoning for another god though.

Got it, I don't know how a "hellcrawl flavor" WJC would look like, but ditto on heaven on earth being cool. Hopefully SteelNeuron can check this fork out. I have some feedback on deep water (sorry if it's been mentioned already, did a quick search): depending on the layout it will occasion...

Was WJC removed? If so, any plans on putting him back in? His skills seem like a good fit for hellcrawl given that things like heaven on earth/wall jump are more effective with more enemies to fight, and you're more likely to fight multiple enemies at once with no upstairs.

Disclaimer: I haven't played in a while, but I've won a few times.. Zot and orb escape are both very dangerous. For melee+makhleb and blasters escaping with the orb was a lot easier with more XP and equipment, so it's in your best interest to do as many branches as possible. Other backgrounds might ...

There is an actively developed fork with no food, hellcrawl. It also has no OOD timer, so you can evaluate for yourself whether there is a significant advantage to be had in first-hit-scumming and the other weird notions people have re: food as an anti-scumming measure. My experience has been that ...

Alternatively, add hellcrawl's orbrun

I was watching one of Ultraviolent4's videos and he was talking precisely about this and how 4tharraofdagon kept potions of haste as a Chei user to potentially escape a bad situation. If someone like him does that I imagine it's at least a worthwhile trade-off sometimes. Whether 4tharra thinks it's ...

You may be surprised to hear this issue has been addressed in hellcrawl. There, the solution is to repurpose hell as the terrain for the orbrun. There is a portal in the orb chamber that takes you to the vestibule, which houses a portal to one of the four hells, which is not known to you at the out...

duvessa wrote:quite a tall order, since armour heavy enough to have 50% GMDR does not actually exist

You can get 50% GMDR pretty easily if you're a gargoyle

I ascended (descended?) a melee character this time, got 8 out of 9 runes, missing only the last one because things got a little too dank on Tartarus:7 http://gnollcrawl.tk/hellcrawl/bananaken/morgues/morgue-bananaken-20170508-201924.txt (I had insane equipment though) Melee characters definitely fe...

Got a 9 rune win with a DEFE blaster, enjoyed it a lot: http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/bananaken/morgue-bananaken-20170506-235518.txt It felt like a 15 rune game but just under 5 hours which is breakneck speed for me. I barely got firestorm online by the time I got to Vaults so I got to get ...

I thought sub-3 hours was slow for a bot until I realized that was the 15 runer :shock:

Have we had any instances yet of a real Crawl player being offended by a Crawl reference to their own race/ethnicity/religion/culture? Truck Sword of Jihad incident doesn't count because it was an obvious troll. I'm not sure if the implication here is that the Sword of Jihad change is bad because i...

First time trying this! Early impression is that having everything pre-identified gives a noticeable boost to survivability early game that partially offsets lack of upstairs, though it's probably not enough depending on what enemies/branch you're dealing with. No food or ID minigame feels nice so f...

pedritolo wrote:This is giving me a tyrant headache

Agreed

It's OK for something to be giant, Brannock, you're worrying me

I thought it was changed so clouds dissipate faster when out of LOS; is it actually that they dissipate immediately? Do they always expire that turn? They dissipate immediately, if it's meant to discourage killing stuff from outside your LOS it's rather unfortunate, because there's enough sources o...

I will quote Floodkiller from elsewhere, since it's relevant: Once you volunteered your code to the project, you opted into surrendering your control over the design focus; you can still contribute and advise, but it no longer is yours to drive. What looks like the Frankenstein process of desecratin...

Barachians are pretty cool now. Funnily enough I'm pretending they're high elves and making a hybrid blaster caster of sorts and the new apts makes it pretty viable. Their slow speed makes for some rough starts though.

I like Zig diving in depths because it's mostly free XP and items so you can finish your "build" until things get too spicy, in which case blinking/haste/god abilities can bail you out. It's pretty much a "win-more" situation though, if you can go zig-busting and risk a pandemoni...

I recommend Unreal World. It's a survival sim set in iron age Finland, complete with tanning animal furs, building your own log cabin, and getting mugged by Russian bastards. If you can get past the hellish number of controls, it's a fun game. Don't eat mushrooms btw. I remember when you had underf...

1. Maybe, but this is a slippery slope because there's a lot of problems that contribute to making extended a slog 2. This is not true even if you're implying that they're the "best gods" for extended (Zin's abilities are arguably better, TSO and Makh are just more o-tabby), a lot of gods ...

This is just through a quick wikipedia search: Jihad (English pronunciation: /dʒɪˈhɑːd/; Arabic: جهاد‎‎ jihād [dʒɪˈhaːd]) is an Islamic term referring to the religious duty of Muslims to maintain and spread the religion. This has a fairly specific meaning, and based on this meaning I can see why the...

I can see this being a problem by introducing a bias towards faster weapons, but +1 for a "dangle a carrot" style of disincentivizing luring over "beating with a stick" (bezotted monsters if certain conditions are met) e: Though for the record this is only if luring is considered...

Would this class be the dark souls of crawl, or the crawl of dark souls??? :ugeek:

Encouraging luring to another floor as well as keeping track of a floor's monsters sounds really annoying, I would much rather have the polymorph pool capped to some small, fixed list and have that information transmitted to the player.

new players aren't getting their first wins with swiftness anyhow, they're winning by going heavy armor trog/oka and tabbing their way through the game without bothering with spells. I got my first win with a really sloppy SpAK game where I used a bit of everything: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdat...

We probably have different definitions of "work"

I feel like any god that's already working without a piety clock should just stay that way, not the other way around. My only concern is that this is basically just trog speed piety decay if you account for movespeed penalties, so in practice it doesn't change all that much; you're essentially addin...

I'm not saying it's better than ddoor+borg, I'm saying why it's better for a subset of players. It isn't an argument as much as it is just an observation of why people would rather use it.

In practice Necromutation is strong simply because most people play a lot better under no pressure from torment and malmutate. It's trickier now with clarity no longer being an amulet of course, but even if optimal play for completing extended used DDoor+Borg, it's much easier to just cast Necromuta...

My only gripe is that phrases such as "hurl down damnation" sound like some kind of Shakespearean era insult more than a actual attack

I think communicating damage types as clearly as possible is great, though aspiring to do this through the names themselves just sounds really difficult to do without a proper naming scheme. As an example Persona/Shin Megami Tensei RPGs merge irresistible damage into one damage type: almighty. They ...

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