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Meeting Mennas in Hall of Blades is the game's way of telling you "Lucky you, you don't have to fight him this game!" I've yet to die to him, but there have been some extremely close calls. Finding him sleeping and calling in powerful summons (or seven storm dragon simulacra, as in one mem...

Hey, looks like I started a game right before you reverted... anyway, I have an Ash sneaky halfling wandered who gets boost to skills when he only wears cursed EQ. I observe: ⋅ The bonus requires both that you are "fully bound" (magic, weapon, armour) and that you don't wear any...

I quite often want a rod from it. I wasn't aware that it could give you maces.

My mummy Ice elementalist of Vehumet (yes, not Sif Muna. Blame early altar!) finally bit it to an executioner on a nameless Pan level, after grabbing the rune right ahead of Gloorx Vloq's nose (and Cerebov and Lom Lobon before him). Only Mnoleg's rune and the hell runes were left (also, the plain de...

I've found that Nikola is a lot less deadly if you can meet him in Shoals, with a bunch of plants around you.

I splatted him too. Literally, as mummies can cast Orbs of Destruction without worrying about hunger :twisted:

Nikola bits all over the place...

I, too, wonder about the helpless message. Can monsters get "stab"-type attacks on you as well, now, if they can act before you see them? If so, this shows why it's a bad idea from a gameplay perspective.

Well, I thought in terms of comparative advantage. The times you choose a sword or an axe over a club are already very rare with ogres, they would be rarer still if M&F is increased. Increasing fighting is better to preserve diversity. I'm not entirely confident how better fighting will play out...

I like boosting fighting and HP. I agree M&F doesn't need further boost, it shoehorns them too much into that niche. We want them to be able to wield that triple sword they find on D:1 (preferrably with 1.5 hands :twisted: ). If ogre hunger is changed, I hope it's not in a way that's too annoyin...

Not just because it's a huge pain to do, also because by the time I've run into one cure mutation potion, I've probably run into more than one Ancient Lich/Daeva/Draconian Annihilator/Other nasty abyss denizen. I find that even for a long time when I can survive in the Abyss, it eats consumables fas...

Aren't there demon-summoners in Tomb, won't they summon shadow fiends?

Also, Abyss is problematic since you can farm it for mutation and cure mutation...this is a really annoying but low-risk way to get a good mutation set, so I hope it dies. What, the entire Abyss? Has anyone actually done this, by the way? It's rather low on my list of things to try in order to get ...

They're great! Just stay away from the Hells. I had a lovely mummy necro going, quite ascendable, into Tartarus, thinking that the undead there would be a piece of cake. I didn't know about Shadow Fiends. I didn't know they cast dispel undead at you . Ouch! Unresistable damage, dead in three hits. M...

20 could light a whole hallway one fire... Hehehehehe. Ok so holding onto it for a little while as a little fire mine seems to be a good consensus. Maybe not hydra slaying material, but has low level roasting potential. In fact, they have pretty good hydra-killing potential. The stupid things will ...

Since a simple thrown flame does, it should. Anything that adds marginal uses to these things is cool.

mandatory jivya conversion in lategame. I don't like Jiyva. Before him (it?), your best chance at good (ordinary) mutations was Xom, and that only through serious patience and skill. It was almosy the only reason someone would play Xom except for fun (the other being gifts, but that was already mor...

Contains ogres or giants OOD for the level, but all rather wounded and with sick or poisoned status effects. Do you run in and try to get them while they're weak, or do you run away to come back later to fight the wandering around the level at full strength? Treasure would be health and hospital-rel...

KoboldLord wrote:Realism is not a fantastic or even a good reason, because realism is utterly and irrevocably shattered by the very presence of the grid itself. The battle of realism is lost.

It's not a black or white issue.

If you start charging variable time for moving from tile to tile, you undermine the entire point of measuring distance by tiles in the first place. If you want realistic Euclidean movement, then you are not going to be well-served by any sort of grid at all. In fact you are charged variable time fo...

Yeah, I suppose if the Lernaean Hydra reaches melee range, it won't matter much whether you have 100hp or 25hp

vintermann: This has nothing to do with Euclidean. Many metrics have this property, among them the one currently in use and Chebychev (square). And in fact, genuine Euclidean distance would make diagonals more expensive, which only very few are prepared to accept (I don't). I know the current metri...

Now consider retreating from melee range. .... .@O. .... You are @, and O is an ogre. If you retreat one square to the left, the ogre can simply follow you by also moving left. You'll probably be safe for that turn, though. However, if you move one square down-left, you would be less likely to be s...

Absolutely awesome trick in Elf! I tried to be clever once, assembled a bunch of holy word scrolls and tried to use them to soften up a pan lord. Only after three of them did it occur to me that demonspawns are vulnerable to it... Sheer luck that I survived (and went on to die to Cerebov). ... but I...

There are also some fairly common vaults that contained fixedarts. Twice I've found the Sword of Singing in a rather neat little ruined house-vault overrun with mites and scorpions.

Was there really a randomly generated pan lord named "Not Gay"?!

Title says it all. Stuff that could possibly be good, but which you for some reason don't end up using/manage to use effectively. For me the list would be * Disc of storms * elemental summoning objects * Box of beasts * Crystal balls (both good sorts) * Ring of invisibility * Ring of regeneration * ...

There are some things that are nice in roguelikes, besides the things Crawl aim for. I played DarkGod's ToME 4 for a while, and find that I miss quests and story a little. (Not too much though, and not forever!). Games that you can actually put down when you've won them, or you've seen as much as yo...

Considering my current game wants a +4 ice dragon armor, I feel for you. Dragon armours are one of the easier things troves can ask for, you can always make them yourself eventually. It's worse when they want 8 potions of magic and such. I do appreciate the new trove mechanics, the old made little ...

I found a trove that took the short cut with that, and just asked for 2 scrolls of acquirement directly. I was really in doubt about that one, decided to chance it. It was a weapon trove, nothing good for me in there, but then again it was so late in the game that even two amulet/ring acquirements w...

If you want to play a human artificer over something better suited to it (e.g. kobolds, Dwarves), you can, but you need to exploit the advantage being human is to help you survive. Human's only advantage in Crawl is adaptability, but that may be the best advantage of them all, ultimately :) There's ...

I think it's a paradox that stealth is not very useful for hunters.

I'm in favor of keeping the "make ponderous" ability, it does add some interesting decisions (and is a benefit in itself in some places, read: Slime). Ponderousness on jewelry is a possible fix for the armorless races, but if the object of bonus is changed from stats into something else (a...

Sometimes wrote:An ice beast on the third turn? No scrolls, no potions, no down stair.
This can't be intended, right? Every now and then I'm losing very early characters to inescapable dooms.

I too noticed this when I last downloaded trunk. One D:1 had no less than 5 ice beasts!

No, the best revenge on Mara is to kill him! I'm not sure I've died to him even once :twisted:

Of course, that's because I've had a healthy respect for him.

Chei also requires you to wear non-artefact armour to make it ponderous - so you have to bye-bye to part of your shiny findings. Those with more armour slots are particularly crippled as they might lose the most benefit from artefacts. You don't have to say goodbye to your shiny findings. You're fr...

Slime trails? No, there's one slimy god already. Personally I'd much rather worship a turtle than a snail :) The "make ponderous" mechanic is OK I suppose, but the gameplay difference of being slower than average (1 slot) to very much slower than average (all slots, max piety) isn't all th...

I had a DS Wizard who branched over to earth conjurations. The reason was that he got the shadow attunement mutation, and I figured out that at max level, I would be able to hit anything I could see with Iron Shot(and possibly LCS as well? Never found it in this game). What do you use as area contro...

It's really kind of strange that the snail god increases your dexterity to astronomical levels. Int and str are slightly strange too, but dex is strangest. It's also not very well documented in-game just how well pondering all your armour boosts your stats. First time I played with Chei, I figured t...

Yes, Mennas is seriously nasty. He makes Boris seem like a walk in the park by comparison. My DS Wizard of Chei nearly fell to him on D:26 recently - preciously few options when silenced, and that guy hits hard . Teleported out, saw a Storm Dragon, and got an idea... Seven chunks later, I seek out M...

While there's a certain "tempter"-aspect of the traditional devil, there's another aspect that could be explored in a Crawl deity: That of a "Prometheus"-style god. The devil is really misunderstood, he sought to bring light to mankind etc. It would form a nice match with two oth...

Thanks, I missed that, there's my explanation, grabbing the latest changes now :) My internet connection at home is pretty bad, for various reasons it's currently wireless tethering through a phone... I don't hang out on IRC channels much these days, as people tire of seeing the constant disconnect ...

... Isn't git pull supposed to give me the latest version? I'm in the default branch and all. It used to work last time I stayed updated on trunk. Or at least I think it was git pull I used, can't find any other likely candidate in the documentation. But now it just tells me everything is up to date...

If you can do elf:5 you can do shoals. I'm a bit paranoid about Shoals. It has surprised me again and again - a kraken in the wrong place, an impaler that just keeps dodging the iron bolts, harpies that deal a lot more damage than you would have thought, and alligator snapping turtles sneaking up b...

One of the dangers of a game designed by a committee of players who have already gotten very good at the game as it is, is that they (or should I say we - I've won three times too) may easily lose sight of what the game looks like for a new player. Wow, that's not really fair. I also said "Cra...

Sigh. If unlockables are implemented, it will be for the benefit of players starting out. I realize they are completely uninteresting for most players posting in this forum. The current dev team are also experienced players, so it's surprising there are anyone talking about unlockables there at all....

It's not unthinkable that I could code it myself, I've been wanting to get into Crawl development for a while (always something which comes up, though... including actually playing it!). Anyway, there's preciously few arguments against it.

MarvinPA wrote:Air miscast, Fedhas ability.

Also a card from the Deck of Dungeons (forget what it's called).

I don't get the empathic opposition to a feature that would be 100% optional...

distinguishing a religious class by things that aren't its religion is bad design. I don't necessarily agree. It was pointed out that TSO gives mostly disadvantages in the early game, so giving them an advantage to make up for it (you can start with pretty good armour, but then you'll have to follo...

Also, how would it work - would crawl have to put something in the Windows registry so that it keeps track of what is unlocked everytime you unzip a new Trunk build? And what would you have to do to unlock things - hopefully not ascend with the orb! And how would you decide which order things get u...

Paladins were removed with very little input from players. I would not at all mind getting them back (though they need more distinction now that all fighters get long blades - better starting armour, perhaps?)

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