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Wizlabs are deterministic. Whenever I see a layout I don't recognize, I just check the wiki for it.

Dude you have 69 AC and a stick of making things dead, it doesn't matter what god you worship at this point.

Gargoyles are easy mode for extended. Can you do it? Sure. Should you do it, and risk losing your first 3-rune win? Usually not.

Huh, just realized you have Clarity, which counters berzerkitis. In that case Bloodbane is fine to use until you've enchanted up the vampiric demon blade.

For a new player I would stick with the vamp, berzerkitis can be dangerous for the unprepared. Also, h - 15 metallic orange potions u - 7 viscous pink potions w - 4 yellow potions These are all unidentified, and I'm pretty sure one of them is curing, which can save your life. Unless you already know...

I think you have literally 0 xp invested in dodging... you should correct that. Gargoyles can have ridiculous EV and ridiculous AC at the same time.

Vehumet's most useful powers are not the spell gifts. Play on and see.

Everyone gets 10 ring slots. Because fingers. Octopodes only get 8, because tentacles. Felids get 1, because they have to wear it on their tail like Dex-Starr.

Ouch. Seems a bit harsh to give Ancient Liches the Servitor spell, since every one of their conjurations will hurt like hell... two or more in a single turn is straight up "haha, you lose".

I would actually train earth and go for LCS. Gargs have an excellent aptitude for earth, and your primary method for killing fire resistant enemies right now is bolt of magma anyway, so you'll be boosting it too as you go. There's no need to rush to Zot:5 right away... exploring Crypts, Abyss, and s...

You have good spells, rF++ and 3 runes - you've already won unless you make a colossal mistake. You don't need more loot or more XP or anything. This character is now fully capable of just getting the Orb and winning. Take the 3 rune win - your defensive skills are a little anemic for extended with ...

Congratulations! > visit Elven Halls in search of rMut FYI, you know this now, but you don't need rMut in a 3-rune game. The only thing you'll meet that will malmutate you significantly are the orbs of fire, and you should only see about 5-8 of them total in Zot, and you should be able to chop them ...

Identify your stuff. That +3 dex ring isn't really as helpful as some other stuff you have, for example your ring of magical power. Abyss 1 is quite survivable as a level 15 caster. Just keep moving and breaking line of sight with things that pursue you, don't get surrounded or grabbed (tentacled, e...

Sar wrote:@fisheye:

Don't you start giving the devs ideas about hydras being able to open doors now.

"Felids lack opposable thumbs and are incapable of any form of advanced item manipulation."

And yet they can open doors, unlike every other handless non telekinetic creature in the dungeon.

Unless... they're actually telekinetic?

I always thought it was super spoilery to have those pips be as nonlinear as they are, and then after the pips it's subjected to an (again, invisible and unknowable) stepdown. Why not just display the final number instead of those meaningless pips?

At first I thought you were proposing something like Doctor Who's "weeping angels" who literally cannot move when there are monsters in LOS, so they can't stairdance, sidestep IOOD or boulder beetles, or duck behind cover. Would be an interesting challenge race. Possibly too synergistic wi...

Thanks! Picked it up and sure enough it clears entire roomfuls of Orcs.

So I hear it doesn't break potions any more. Is it super awesome now? I've never used it. Veh is offering it to my White Draconian Conjurer.

http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Blobbo/Blobbo.txt

Another vote for DEFE^Veh. I found it easier to learn than DrCj due to the huge MP pools and the massive skill aptitudes. FE skills training is also much more straightforward than with a Cj.

Congratulations!

It appears that this game, as successful as it is compared to my earlier games, is going to be a close-run thing and likely to end in death. No, I'd say you have an excellent chance of getting the win now. Just play carefully, take your time, pull only one monster at a time, don't fight in the lung...

Pikel's whip of electrocution and the Lajatang of Order tempted me to improve their skills at the point in the game in which they came to me, but I should have kept training Axes despite the other weapons being temporarily "better" than the ax I had at the time. That.... sounds like you'r...

Acquirement as a level 9 triple school spell (Transloc/Transmut/Summoning). Every cast costs one experience level and 20k GP. The disappointment levels will surely be quite epic.

Yeah actually it depends on the type of character... now I remember that the times I dived Slime without rCorr were on casters of Veh which basically nuked Acid Blobs with extreme prejudice the moment they came into LOS. On this character that has no long range nukes and is moving at half speed, pro...

> (dont have rCorr for Slime) You no longer strictly need rCorr for slime now since they removed item destruction, you just need rMut, Stasis, Clarity (which you have) and a way to take down TRJ and its summons quickly - right now it seems like your best option is to Slouch them to death, which migh...

With the removal of carry weight limits, is the little rocks requirement really significant any more besides adding that tedious 5 aut to swap weapons? Stones are so common that it's not a real resource limitation when you can carry an infinite number of them.

It has come to my attention that there is such a thing as a "grunt language" that will enable more hilarious messages. How does one enable this thing and what amusement will it provide?

You open the kobold like a pillowcase!!!

Such a weird image. Changing the bedsheets is not exactly what I think of when a huge axe-wielding warrior slices through a horde of monsters.

I love TSO's fortress in Pandemonium, it's so different from the other levels. Would love to see more like it.

Thanks for the help guys, tried it on CAO yesterday and it worked a treat. Cleared everything outside, then went looking for TRJ (it was hilarious - TRJ wasn't in the middle when I went in, and I made two complete circuits of the level before finding him, I was starting to worry that he had abyssed ...

for the same reason draconians cant use armor, but gargoyles with big wings can. Gargoyles... you thought you were a legendary creature of myth: http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/g/goliathgarg.jpg But actually you were a human billionaire inside an iron-man style indestructible powered armor: http...

duvessa wrote: not like starving in a lab is something that actually happens).

Why the weird message ("beware, for starvation awaits!") then? I don't think I've ever starved in a labyrinth even before 0.15's infinite stacks of bread and meat made it even more impossible to die of starvation in there.

Question: how do fighters like MiBe deal with the Royal Jelly? I'm used to playing casters that trivially take it down in a few turns with AoE attacks. Can't imagine sitting next to it and being surrounded by spawns.

Sar wrote:
fisheye wrote:whatever foul sorcery allows the hydra to get two moves

Taking stairs takes more than one turn.

Yeah I think it's 1.5 turns? Couldn't find the actual number. But there ya go, I was dead the moment my memory failed me.

Nergalle and her summons (even when hasted) don't seem to be quite fast enough to catch a backpedalling character. Mainly I think her normal, unhasted orcs tend to get in the way of her orc knights, so a bit of careful maneuvering keeps you mainly in the clear. On the other hand, coming down stairs ...

Well this character YASDed in lair when I went down stairs to land next to an 8 headed hydra (that I fled from earlier and forgot was there, totally avoidable death if not for my shitty memory - I was busy trying to survive Rupert at XL13 at the time and wasn't paying attention to inscribing the sta...

She's now blocking the stairs in one of those levels where the three stairs are all next to each other. My plan now is to use the experience in Lair to learn cblink, and cblink past her so I can advance. Grrr. There's something wrong with putting death's door on monsters. The spell is balanced by ri...

She's absolutely no threat at all, but I can't kill her because I damage her down to near death, then she just casts death door and then surrounds herself with spammed spectral orcs. I futz around, until the DD wears off, then I come back and try to kill her again, and boom she casts DD again with n...

Staff of fire no question in this case. It's better defensively (one more pip of rF takes you to rF++), offensively (since you have good skills in fire, it will cause some decent fire damage when you hit stuff with it) and most importantly you're right now at the sweet spot where spell power enhance...

Maels wrote:Edit: So I ended up dying from starvation... because I'm an idiot...

You need to tell your story in the stupid deaths thread.

- Pan is an infinite sequence of levels. Once you exit a level you can never return. Exits can go to other (new) levels, out of Pan, or into the Abyss. - Hell is a fixed sequence of levels, just like the dungeon. However, all upstairs lead directly into the vestibule of hell, so if you bail and want...

I like how he has a little sword growing out of his other, bigger, sword.

Airstrike barely tickles a flying gargoyle by the endgame since it only does middling damage and has to get through their insane AC.

My suggested branch order for new players after the first 2 runes is Vaults:1-4 (save Vaults:5 for as late as possible if you do it instead of slime), if you feel like getting more experience before Depths then Elf:1-2 whenever (do not do Elf:3), then Depths:1-5. If not ready for your 3rd rune, then...

Always just A:3. Never below. (Just remove A:4 and 5 already.) They're awful, awful newbie traps. First time in A:5... "I'll just have a quick look for the rune and jump on the first exit. This isn't so bad, no monsters yet... ok there's a few, I can handle them... hmm, getting hot, need to te...

Congratulations! Gotta be a good feeling, first 15-runes. I'm not there yet. How long ago was your first 3-rune win? About 2-3 weeks ago, this is only my second win, and my very first visit to any of the demonic realms or Tomb. This is pretty typical of most players I think, to be able to get exten...

It is for this reason that I fail to understand so many others. How, I ask, can any position or belief be held with such ferocity and viciousness as to produce physical violence by anyone that experiences life in all its uncertainty? How can any idea be so certain that it warrants harming, injuring...

I'm a bit confused by the Gargoyle race's "not alive but not undead" situation. What spells work differently on these guys? Sublimation of blood - cannot cast Statue form - reduced AC bonus Borgnirs? Death's door? Necromutation? (not that you'd want to actually learn this on a Gr, but just...

Congratulations, that's a truly insane number of level 27 skills if this is your first 15 runer.

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