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I'm sure it's perfectly possible. Some allies are stationary, Oklobs and Lightning Spires for example, and all the player has to do is lead the troll over, then vanish, by say teleporting. The troll and ally will fight it out. The troll will probably win, because LRD on crystal walls is very damagin...

I enjoy arguing about the biology of imaginary species as much as the next person, but I wonder if this is the right place... Chemically (most) rocks/minerals and metals are very different, but there are of course edge cases. So much so that a child without a specialist background will be able to te...

I totally fail to understand why and how lithovores would be unable to eat weapons and armor. Just remove the ability to do any combat damage or gain defenses from weapons and armor. They are not made from rock or rock-like materials. (Lithos is greek for 'rocky'.) A special case could be made for ...

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4Hooves2Appendages wrote:You could have one of your allies stand next to the wall instead of yourself, but this is starting to stretch the 'advice' a bit.

Hmm, how do you mean "stretch"? Curious.

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To stretch the meaning of a word: to extend or enlarge beyond the usual or proper limits.

You could have one of your allies stand next to the wall instead of yourself, but this is starting to stretch the 'advice' a bit.

Sure, Necromancy and Summons fill approximately the same niche, but come with different restrictions, in terms of gods, aptitudes and what you actually find on the floor. I would say that Necromancy is probably stronger, but Summon Lightning Spire is extremely strong.

]BoM mean damage is 10+power/3. BoF mean damage is 12+power/3. BoF always does more damage on average. Getting BoF to X power also costs 50% more skill points than getting BoM to X power, and since skill point cost increases with the number of skill points you've already gained, that means it costs...

And then next step - don't generate items which are worse than what you have seen so far? Because what's the point? I'd be in favour of not generating duplicates or inferior items, but there are some issues. If I have a +9 DTrident of Draining, I might like to find a +8 DTrident of Draining, if I h...

If you don't have LRD, or not enough Int/Brilliance/XP/etc. then you could try dragging a Deep Troll Earth Mage over, and then stand next to the wall...

I think that the advantage of having selling stations that convert into money the things you don't want to carry to the next level or simply making abandoned items not reachable once you leave the floor is that you just need to make one choice, once, about that item: lose it or keep it? The current...

Lee's Rapid Deconstruction makes short work of Green Crystal Walls. Just don't stand next to them as you blow them up.

So then you see that character with BoF will always have a higher damage spell.

The title of this thread is three words too long. Version 0.41 Dungeon Crawl: Food Shops Only Changelog: Species Removed Mummies, because not eating is not fun. Added Lithovores, a new species that can eat many exciting things from small rocks to obsidian statues. Shops Removed all non-food shops, ...

BoM and BoF always do the same damage with the same power, not just at full power. I feel it's worth continuing to talk about this. You are right that at same power the damage is approximately the same. The difference is that for the same XP investment, the character with BoF (training Fire/Conjura...

Incidentally, BoM and BoF actually have the same damage output - on average 75 at full power. But BoF is a level-6 spell, and BoM a level-5 spell. Okay I know about range and three spell schools and all that, but the more I look at BoM, and the more others here are writing how crappy it is, the mor...

In any case, Lightning Bolt wins this contest hands down. And Air is a useful school for utility too, giving Swiftness and DMsl. But, as you noticed, LB is an air spell. You are not suggesting that an FE or EE should train this instead of BoM, are you? Are you suggesting, instead, that we all shoul...

Oh, you are right, you actually only get your 3 schools to 10 (nearly). In that case LRD is just plain better. But we already knew that, didn't we?

In any case, Lightning Bolt wins this contest hands down. And Air is a useful school for utility too, giving Swiftness and DMsl.

VeryAngryFelid wrote:Am I the only player who does not count tiles between me and Lich?

Probably not, but I expect many experienced players are careful about the distance, at least once they become aware of the dangers. Now that enemy spell range is shown in x-v it's harder to get caught out.

Actually, I calculated the LRD vs BoM example. 20 Int, 8 SC and then 16 Earth vs 12 Earth/Conjurations/Fire. Spellpower after stepdow is 64.34 for LRD and 54.20 for BoM respectively. If you plug the numbers in, you'll find that LRD has slightly higher mean (28.3 vs 28.1) and maximum damage, and slig...

Imagine Annihilators, Liches and ALiches with range 6 LCS.

If you have a character that uses conjurations from a specific magic school as the main attack (most FE, IE, AE, EE), and you are still in the early/midgame (no runes yet), and your main attack spell (Fireball, Lightning Bolt, LRD, etc.) is killing things reliably, and you are wondering what next to...

Forgot to add that LRD is sometimes absurd. Found the Roulette of Golubria Wizlab, with an Eldritch Tentacle/Obsidian Statue at the centre, surrounded by Iron Grating. Guess how many casts it took for mediocre power LRD to kill both of those?

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Well, to give you an example from my current game - I play a DsFE, and fire magic does not give me an irresistible spell until I hit FireStorm. Approaching Azrael and his cool gang of hell hounds and fire elementals with my FE inventory of Fireball and BoF is not fun, to say the least. The investme...

Yes, I noticed that Rain is a bit fiddly with allies. There were a few situations when I would've liked to drown something, but would've drowned my friends too. In the end I didn't really use the ability. In any case, it's done! Z:1-4 were very uneventful. Used mapping to find nearest staircase, use...

Finished Depths, including Enchantress and Jory, and V:5. Nothing dramatic really happened. Jory managed to draw a scroll of silence out of me, because I was stupid. Oklobs are good, but we all knew that. U:5 was a ridiculously open level. Three quarters of the map basically have no features, so I p...

While we're at it, can fewer lategame monsters be poison immune please?

If passing out could get you killed, then don't melee attack. Cast spells or use ranged/evokers/invocations instead.

There appears one question. Do you always use autoexplore? Because if you miss some enemies, then it will not work, you will always bump into missed enemies, run again, etc. I use autoexplore most of the time, out of convenience. It sometimes lands me in bad spots, for example with bad approaches t...

And Vehumet is a weak god. That's another of these mysterious blanket statements that everyone seems to keep repeating here without providing any evidence. No, he is not a weak god for a caster - all his benefits are most relevant such as extending the range of your spells. Of course he is a weak g...

I would be in favour of reducing poison duration dramatically, 50 aut max, and in turn increasing the damage per aut, but not the max damage.

I also think those are bad examples, because you don't want to fight in either of those situations, melee or not. You want to just get out. Fo is a special case anyhow, but in your example you better hope you have a good god or some strong spells / consumables.

Airwolf wrote:Do you get to pick a base species too, like centaur skeleton?

Now we are talking! Ce master race.

Yes, killing monsters without spending MP is nice. Once you find a good fast weapon with decent enchantment, you can kill a lot of stuff with it, even at minimal training. That said, unless I'm set on using shields, I would probably advocate training ranged, rather than melee weapons. What's better ...

I agree with you, which basically makes amulet of regeneration even worse. I suppose it has some point in Hell, or any other place where resting is particularly problematic.

Bolt of Magma "This spell has bad range and mediocre damage, made worse by the low power from being triple-school. The only time I'd memorize bolt of magma is if I'm a fire character really desperate for unresistible damage, but since the damage is only 45% unresistible it's pretty bad even for...

As far as I understand it: You did go berserk. You didn't get the usual berserk speed boost. You lost no piety. Berserk gives three things: - Might, you got that. - 50% bonus HP, you also got that. - Haste, you didn't get that. I believe inadvertent conduct violations are not penalised with piety lo...

The best thing about regeneration really isn't that it helps in fights. The effect is tiny. Prolonged fights are rare without previous mistakes, or extended/zig slaughterfests. The nice thing about regeneration is that it saves piety, because it reduces resting. It would be interesting to estimate h...

Except Felids, they mostly get murdered by curiosity.

Do they get all the other benefits/disadvantage of being undead, and hunger immunity?

Resurrecting a bit stronger (not much), on a lower floor seems fun. The point of her getting weaker is to make a reference to Felids I suppose. As a game mechanic, an enemy that gets weaker with time doesn't seem so good though.

Well, the game can be won in all sorts of ways, including the MuMo challenge, using nothing but a plain spear, or abanding Trog on Turn 1. We would probably agree that it wouldn't be good advice. I think what might be useful, is to look at specific characters, instead of talking in general terms. Ma...

And if you play as a pure melee background, do you need to immediately wear heavy armour (like plate armour) as soon as you find it? Or wait a bit and first invest in armour skill? If you are not casting spells, then wear the heaviest armour you find immediately. Plate armour on D:3? Wear! Crystal ...

Commiserations. Playing Crawl while tired is very dangerous indeed.

Nothing wrong with questions, and yours certainly aren't stupid. 1) Generally, there are no hard and fast rules for when to train defences. The most important consideration is usually: Can you kill everything comfortably at the moment? If the answer is yes, train for a point of EV (or AC, depending)...

Normal Giant Clubs are still very good, if you have any decent ones. My last Ogre won with a couple of Morningstars, ehem.

Killed Bai Suzhen. A shapeshifter corpse and a quarterstaff was left on tile. Bai Suzhen was scryed about 1000 turns ago, so I don't think she was originally a shapeshifter and I hope that shapeshifters can't become uniques. Is she meant to leave a shapeshifter corpse behind as opposed to a storm d...

I've seen people suggest that Discord is good in Zot, but I haven't tried it myself.

The thing is that a bunch of Angels or Shadow summons would've probably saved him there. Having a Level 9 spell castable doesn't mean every enemy needs to be killed with it. In Pan it's often best to just keep going, instead of fighting too much.

Undeadhunter is quite nice for an Ogre. I expect it does better damage against ALiches/Bone Dragons/etc. than a generic GSC. But perhaps FSim would prove me wrong?

There are quite a lot of things to comment on, but let's focus on the most important thing: You used an enormous amount of XP to get Firestorm and Shatter castable and you were working on Glaciate. Mostly, my recommendation would be to stick to a single elemental school for damage. As a GrEE, that w...

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