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I like Sil personally. I don't think it has the replayability of a roguelike with more Content, but you have a lot of different combat abilities that make melee pretty fun and it's not too dependent on RNG - you don't need to adapt to the dungeon that much, which I don't always like in other rogueli...

"Hmm, I wonder what's going on with DCSS? I haven't checked on it in a few years..."
"Remove butchering and eating."
"It's over. It's finally over."

Strength on every levelup if you mostly use melee or archery, int on every level up if you mostly use conjurations/summoning/necro/hexes. On lower-strength warrior-mages it can sometimes be better to take strength, I think? Warrior-mages are generally not the best.

Hypothetically speaking, without decay or hunger or OOD spawns, a player might do doomrl-waiting, as in, you camp in a good spot for thousands of game-turns and wait for monsters to move into a favorable position, so that you do not waste resources (as you do not regenerate in doomrl).

Once you have statue form with Chei you are pretty much set and should have an easy time with the rest of the game. Other recommended spells for this type of character include: lesser beckoning , apportation, blink, controlled blink, passage of golubria, regeneration, deflect missiles, borgnjor's vi...

Who needs exams? Trog smash.

I think it should just be constant. I barely even knew that melee made any noise and it hasn't adversely affected me in any way, so it's probably redundant for it to be too intricate, mechanically.

Not wearable over reflection, spirit or faith imo.

I feel like something similar to Pakellas, or at least a god centered around evocations that isn't Nemelex, would be neat if we had different, or maybe "more dramatic" wands. If you brought him back nowadays, it would end up like a mage that casts Corrosive Bolt and Paralyze with V. Now, r...

Weren't Kobolds just bad halflings before? I think it'd be fine to remove them, they aren't really much fun and don't have any unique mechanics going for them.

What abilities are these?

I think the best bet is to hope TRJ doesn't wake up, position yourself in the middle of one of the tunnels in his enclosure, use might, agil, and resistance, let him get next to you, read a scroll of summoning and/or use sacks of spiders to trap him, bend time, and hit until dead or almost dead. The...

You may want to visit GDD where summoners are discussed right now. I had read that thread. I think you want to make summoning weaker because it's too strong. If that's the case, just try to make it weaker. Encouraging hybrid summoners and making summoning weaker are things that can overlap but they...

If summons are not supposed to provide a pure playstyle, the Summon Elemental return is not a bad idea IMHO. Of course not in the old form: 1) Remove Summoning school 2) Add Summon Fire Elemental (Fire school), Summon Air Elemental (Air school) and so on. If Dragon's call, Monster Menagerie, Hydra ...

Hybridized (mage/melee) characters are almost always worse than ones that focus on a few skills, though, you just end up being bad at both relative to the counterfactual and most spells outside Translocations, Spectral Weapon, Statue Form and Regeneration have ~0 marginal return on XP investment out...

a hat is probably more value short-term if you enchant it to +2, I don't think it's likely for you to get a ring that will offer that much value for you in lair unless its ac/ev>+2, slay, or rpois. It's probably close enough that it won't affect whether you die or not all that much.

It was a GnIE, so I started out using ice magic, added some more spells, then added Statue Form once I found it. I think almost every Chei character I play does UC + Statue. I actually think it's one of the easiest character types to win with and has one of the easiest extended games, but this is pr...

I've been playing a bit of Gnoll recently and it's pretty fun. It's nice to be able to actually use things you find on the floor, mix and match spells, and so on. Ok, I have Chei on the character in question, so I can statuecast with 45 int and so on, but it's fun to be able to use a variety of spel...

Honestly, playing gimped species isn't that fun. This species seems like an attempt at "Remove almost every strategy you use in the game because they're overpowered". If you want a harder game, the easiest way to accomplish it would be another XP nerf in the early mid-game. If you like, re...

You know, if you don't have a ton of inventory slots like in DCSS, walking around with 5-6 different weapons isn't such a good idea. Note that people don't really walk around with 5-6 weapon types while playing Gnoll at the moment.

I'd probably just remove distinct weapon skills and have a "Melee" skill, and get rid of Fighting while giving every species a Con stat. You generally bump into enemies in the same way no matter what weapon you use. Certainly optimal play would dictate that you do this. You already have ax...

I don't think trying to rank-order backgrounds is that useful. it depends on what race you are, and trying to average over races is an exercise in futility. Plus, most of them are more or less as good as one another, barring a few which are really good (Be, IE, FE) and really bad (CK, AM, VM).

As a third alternative, you can worship Kiku and try to be a more dedicated necromancer - for a while. Your plan will be to rely on Corpse Delivery followed by Animate Dead to kill dangerous things. At some point, though, you should still transition to blaster mage or brute. Probably brute. There a...

I've only done one 15 runer with new tomb, I think. It was a Chei character, so that'll obviously have an easier time than most. Your best bet would probably be to run directly to the stairs upon entering W:2 or W:3, then wait for some enemies to get next to you, then go back up. You'd probably have...

I don't think so, but it does require a lot more supplies to clear if you don't use spells much. To be fair, Tomb was explicitly redesigned to get rid of stairdancing which was the main way melee characters cleared Tomb, wasn't it? You could always just get statue form for Tomb and cast it in robes ...

Maybe there are just too many spells and magic backgrounds. Once you get past the early floors where you have to play around your starter book, conjuration-centered gameplay is all about damage output per MP so a small set of spells will always be the best. Earth magic is relegated to support becaus...

the necronomicon is actually an underrated choice since the adding of infest. once you can cast that at like, 20%, you can just ride a cloud of scarabs to zot:5 without a ton of trouble. I don't think you should make any particular considerations for weapon type when trying to pick a Pain target, ju...

Get: Fire Storm (9) Chain Lightning (kills fire enemies fast, they tend to have hellfire too) (8) OOD (for omniresistants when you don't want to waste tons of MP) (7) Controlled Blink (8) Apportation (1) Regeneration (3) Deflect Missiles (6) Necromutation (8) Borgnjor's Revivification (8) Borgnjor's...

they were never good, you probably just played spriggan. having a movespeed bonus makes a stealth-based playstyle seem a lot better than it is for normal races.

True, but EV hardly does anything past 20-25 anyway, one will hardly notice the difference unless they're using extremely light armor.

Based on the screens it looks like everyone goes for Statue Form these days (unless TSO/Kiku I guess). if you do extended tomb will be so unpleasant that there's no reason not to, or it will be a huge resource sink. also enough sub-20k 15 runers may have eventually made people realize that statue f...

can we accept that statue form is good yet

also, how do I get 500-turn Hell:1-7's? anyone have any tips

Found this: +14 crystal plate armour "Jaang" {rF++ Str+2 Int+3}

i was using glaciate in this with a naga of kiku->chei, it was pretty neat.

unironically mostly agree, except stealth can be ok in the early floors if you are playing a weak race, or a naga Well, if a weak race can put some skill points into stealth and still be fine, why can't a stronger race do the same? I mean a Mf of Oka or HO of Makhleb can be happy to avoid Erolcha o...

unironically mostly agree, except stealth can be ok in the early floors if you are playing a weak race, or a naga. i used to think shields were terrible too but then I tried actually using them more and the most memed of all combinations, axes + shields, is actually pretty decent. the tricky bit is ...

Surprised you can shave that many turns without spamming teleport. Maybe it's not actually that turn-efficient... Robe of vines is probably the key to the sub-20k turn counts.

0 skill melee is underrated if you have a good weapon enchant. One game I played I was killing things with glaive of the guard as a Fo with 0 skill in robes reasonably well.

to be fair VS^Chei and Tr^Chei are sort of cheating because of the huge boost to auxes and huge str with old statue form, respectively... with other species, I think it is fairly easy, but not as overpowering as VS^Chei or Tr^Chei. The trick is of course surviving to the point where you can cast it....

It's OK I guess, you should swap out that scarf for a +2 cloak, boots for +2 boots of running, and the (f) ring for something better... maybe the gloves too. the main thing you should do is train dodging and armour

Try this neat trick: Cast passage Random teleport on a level where you want to grab something (like a rune, this was fun with the Orb but was ruined after 0.17...) Apport Cast passage, go back in You pop out somewhere safe. This fortunately works in Hell, Pan etc. It's probably kind of overrated by ...

pretty sure it is 200 or very close to it.

No translocation enhancers without Wild Magic or a few items. Remember most people who hit max spellpower have 3 enhancers.

I actually later tried a similar game with the following conditions: - Draconian (no body armor) - No dodging (went full Dynast) - No weapon skill, 0 skill archery and min skill axes only - No shields I got 1 rune but it became so tiresome that I just died. Maybe I could've won? Dungeon Crawl Stone ...

i would suggest just using 0-skill melee with a weapon that has a high enchantment and low delay, preferably elec brand. even an artefact dagger with good enchant is fine for cleaning up very weak enemies - venom is especially good early on.

man lesser beckoning was so good for a few days before it was nerfed by increasing the spellpower cap. shame about that.

do axes + shields. it's fine to start using a large shield with only 16-18 skill or so, the weapon delay penalty will be about 0.05. opbe is kind of frustrating to play because you can't use tmuts which I think usually octopodes want to do.

most players are too powerful for enemies aside from a few (cerebov firestorm, lom glaciate, asmo 3x brimstone fiend summon, and the occasional random panlord for instance) to be able to kill, unless they can do so in an unfair way like chaos melee -> paralyze. the higher your AC, EV, HP, and access...

I bring you this character: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.18.1-8-gdd0e5ea (webtiles) character file. 2217010 tabstorm the Conqueror (level 27, 245/245 HPs) Began as a Minotaur Berserker on June 2, 2016. Was a High Priest of Trog. Escaped with the Orb ... and 4 runes! The game lasted 03:04:48 (7...

Do MuGl or MuFi of Gozag. MuFE or MuIE are good too but obviously I think melee is easier. Gozag will of course make it easier to get rF along with the potions and good gear.

On to the next one. I found a CPA early with this guy and just recently found AoDK: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.21-a0-349-g0c35859 (webtiles) character file. tabstorm the Severer (Vine Stalker Abyssal Knight) Turns: 46067, Time: 01:40:49 Health: 135/135 AC: 40 Str: 29 XL: 24 Next: 55% Magic: ...

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