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Yeah, good points all around. It seems like their would be some advantages to having more powerful (both negative and positive) Xom effects as you gain levels. I actually think the mutation thing is worse than you make it sound - I'd say that more than half the time I start the game with a BUNCH of ...

Not adding, un-removing!

Then, uh, they had a weaker "staff" item made specifically for them, since quarterstaves were too powerful. Monks should have a weaker "staff" item that is made for them. :D Honestly, that seems to address the gameplay and the theme issues fairly well. I can see why it was previ...

The LoS changes have had no effect on my current game - I'm not sure I would have noticed if it wasn't explicitly pointed out.

And hop is basically semi-controlled blink, right? Seems extremely powerful to me, especially after level twelve.

I think covering mutations are fun, but they are often most fun at level 3 (where you get a bonus resistance from many of them). Can't speak for others, but I would currently rather have 1 level of 3 different scales (usually 6 AC) than 3 levels of 1 scale (usually 4 AC and a useless resistance). P...

I'm playing one for the first time. Feels pretty strong in the current version.

I do better with casters than fighters or gladiators. For a fighter-type I feel like my character is VERY dependent of floor drops to get a decent stand-up-to-an-orc warrior-without-dying class weapon. Having a spellbook gives me a clear line of progression to tools that will at least clear orc with...

Just read your morgue - OMG, learn dazzling spray. Next time have dazzling spray online by, like, D:5. It's a little wonky in targeting and it takes some practice, but it is your only direct damage spell (and it makes stabs possible to boot!) so you need it. At this stage, do you think Airstrike wo...

Just read your morgue - OMG, learn dazzling spray. Next time have dazzling spray online by, like, D:5. It's a little wonky in targeting and it takes some practice, but it is your only direct damage spell (and it makes stabs possible to boot!) so you need it.

First, yes train summoning, learn lightning spire because lightning spire is nuts. Second, death yaks are not immune to your hexes, they're just very reistant. If you can isolate a single death yaks confuse (it should be around 11% success, which means you have a 1 in 9 shot) can kill them.... event...

If you can do it with chei + statue, then you can also do it without them. Better. possibly. I do think statue form would be a necessity though. And statue combines nicely with chei. Chei might even be a necessity to get statue form online on a race this gimped. I have a 43% failure on my current c...

It might just boil down to if you prefer smite targeted spells because they are better, or if you prefer non-smite targeted spells because of some reason? Possibly the game is to easy in general?

Is the free move the first time you go down a given set of stairs, or the first time you take any stairs to a given level? I believe it's any unexplored stairs - So if you find a stair going up you don't get a free move coming down the corresponding downstairs, even though it will be your first tim...

Quick show of hands - Is there anyone else who thinks that freezing cloud is a bad spell?

Is there anyone else who thinks freezing cloud is not an insanely great spell?

I'm fairly sure you get the first move the *first* time you go down any particular set of stairs. If the stuff on the other side looks like it can kill you, go back up and set an exclusion on the staircase with control-E so you don't accidentally wander down. Very, very occasionally a hydra and a bl...

Agreed, and the whole "Don't do any shopping if you want Gozag" thing seems kind of spoilery.

Damn it. Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.19.0 (tiles) character file. HintsMode the Warrior (Merfolk Artificer) Turns: 85311, Time: 04:12:50 Health: 159/190 AC: 18 Str: 16 XL: 22 Next: 23% Magic: 35/41 EV: 27 Int: 11 God: Ru [***...] Gold: 478 SH: 7 Dex: 18 Spells: 8 memorised, 11 levels left rFi...

Nekoatl wrote:I'm a completionist. Even if I don't kill a unique when I first notice them, I'll always go back and hunt them later, if possible. Besides, sometimes it's worth killing them ASAP to take their stuff and/or get the experience boost.

Yeah, sometimes when you kill Natasha 3 times you get a potion!

Health and essence definitely killed me.

I'm pretty sure sacrafice stealth killed me when a lich (which, to be fair, I didn't notice) sent me to abyss:4.

I've never tried nimbleness because most of my random characters tend to want light armor, which means that dodging is fairly necassary.

Yeah, that's true. I've been playing random characters so I quite often need those spell schools, but many strong characters can get through the game without 'em.

Still, it's a long, long road to apocalypse-level piety only sacraficing spell school and minor mutations and courage.

Is that how this is supposed to work? If I do a major sacrafice, I use my one panic button and then something kills me while I'm exhausted. It seems like the best way to play is to take the trivial st -2 and dex -2 when/if they're offered, and get to ***** just in time for my third pan rune. (Sacrif...

Well, hexes has a (quite good) level 8 spell - and quite a few lower level spells that are useful all game, which makes up for the lack of hexostorm or hexnado.

Counterpoint - Venom Mage is quite a strong background. You will generally have meph cloud online before the end of D:1 which can carry you up to lair with careful play. You have a spell which is not just smite targeted, but affects every enemy on the screen to boot. And a bolt spell, which does far...

The "random chance to generate a trap/shaft on the tile you are about to walk on, your movement will stop if you spot it" method would avoid the tracking problem. I personally like shafts and (to a lesser extent) traps, shafts and teleport traps can be used to your advantage to get away f...

Totally support making ogres better at magic, but I like trolls. I see the reduncancy argument but the early troll and ogre games are different enough to me that I'd like to keep both of them; Troll you walk around and tab things, ogre you go looking for giant club so you can walk around and tab thi...

Conversely, I'd rate trolls as better than gargoyles. Gargoyles have a fairly rough early game due to lack of hit points, while trolls are - bar none - the most powerful species in the early dungeon. All of ogres advantages + they start with their endgame weapon. (Deep dwarves might be harder to kil...

I'd rate gargoyles ahead of ogres as well. Ogres have a better start, but gargoyles feel stronger after D:5 or so - Flying + resistances + AC for days + a little better magic overall + greater flexibility trump better damage and hit points (minus crappy armor class and crappy evasion.) Ogres are one...

Felids are weird - I'd say that they're way difficult for new players, but once you've won a couple times they become an easy race. It's about threat assessment. You're puny with poor resistances, so you have to know what can kill you easily. But once you've figured that out, it''s quite easy to wal...

Discord absolutely destroys V:5. Uskayaw could be insanely effective. Failing that - I'm sure that Duvessa's a better player than I am, but stairdancing works well for me. Just have a plan to deal with the things that can stop stairdancing - Vault Wardens can do it from range, tentacled monstrositie...

Necromancer's a good starter. You have to spend a lot of time up close but allies + draining give you tools to survive, even with whatever crappy weapon you find and 0 starting skill.

I like skalds a lot, too - I think they're stronger than a straight-up fighter.

Probably not going to get any worse if you shaft yourself.

Although that means you can't bolt of fire from dragon form without penance.

Also note that I have never even come close to winning a transmuter.

Yeah, use corpse drop + rot or animate whenever stuff gets hairy. Corpse Drop is nuts.

I guess you could try that torment thing, too... I don't think I've ever used it.

I really like Dith on felids. Dith, at high piety will basically give you scroll of fog as a free action when hit at ranged* and that is my single favorite defense for low hp/low AC characters. (And felids are the lowest of the low for both.)

* Close combat too, but that matters much less.

Normally I don't worry about it. Gozag I train a lot more spellcasting and put a greater priority on intelligence. Primary-spellcaster of Gozag is annoying, so I tend not to play them.

...just lying there on the floor of D:4. I didn't think that was possible! I thought they went up to +5 or something. Is this a bug? ...or a feature? Am I now wielding every glowing weapon I find? Glowing weapons are sticky cursed -2 A LOT of the time, so no, don't wield every glowing weapon at lea...

Unlike Zin, you do get the passive monster accuracy penalty at * tho. It's no wandering mushrooms, but it's a solid bonus at the point where you get it. It's hard to get impressed by the penalty because almost no one understands how it works. Can we change it to plain (20%?) extra chance to miss? I...

So you're saying that at basically any point in the game, if I find confuse, invis, darkness, or silence in a spellbook, I should train hexes up to be able to cast those spells, assuming I'm not following trog or playing a race with bad hex apts? Does that mean I should also improve int on characte...

Except for Sif/Veh, the usefulness of gods for melee/book background chars is mostly differentiated by one thing: XP investment. High XP gods (such as Zin, Ely, Nem, Uskayaw, even Qaz) tend to be better for melee chars, who tend to have extra XP to spare and want powerful spell-like effects. Medium...

WingedEspeon wrote:Dith is really good if missil weapons are your primary damage.

I've never actually tried it. I figure that bleed smoke would block YOUR attacks a fair amount of the time.

I'd probably just eat the Zot Trap. What's the worst it can do? (I'm honestly not sure.

) But it's probably not gonna kill a zot level character. Still, congrats on the win. Surviving a nasty orb run is one of the most fun things...

You still got the bonus to damage and monsters have negative accuracy, fog for protection from missiles, a really good panic button and, with shadow step, you might even be able to get a stab or two in! If missile weapons are your primary offense Dith could be annoying, and I really like conjure/sti...

I have, he is pretty bad if you are not a SpEn imo. I guess Dith is a little better now that you can't cheese Zot:5 as easily. Bonuses to weapon and single target spell damage, an accuracy penalty for monsters, minimal investment in short blades trivializes some nasty fights while you're sneaking a...

I assumed he was at full and then got smacked for 100 damage the first turn. (Certainly not impossible given the monster set surrounding him.)

Dancing $%&^ing weapons.

PowerOfKaishin wrote:Hoomans have god worship. Demigods take away a fun part of the game without really replacing it with anything interesting.

Completely agree with this, btw. I think Demigods are strong but boring. You always have the option of playing without a God, and it's pretty much the same experience.

Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.18.1 (tiles) character file. 1345018 HerpTaster the Conqueror (level 27, 258/290 HPs) Began as an Ogre Necromancer on Oct 25, 2016. Was a High Priest of Okawaru. Escaped with the Orb ... and 3 runes on Oct 28, 2016! The game lasted 06:47:34 (136268 turns). HerpTas...

Oh! Cool! Didn't know that!

Can you win with a hex character? Sure. Will it be worse in the mid-late game than a heavily-armored warrior or a conjurer? Yes, absolutely. Should you learn hexes like Confuse if you find it past early game, especially on a character without high int? Probably not. If you are a conjurer you have b...

That is not good. YOU CAN DO BETTER THAN THAT! The bar is set real low. You can do better than that.

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