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I recently got all 15 runes on a melee only minotaur, I was an Makhleb follower, so the healing on kills helped, as well as being able to cast haste and regen and what not, but Trog's hand and Trog bros should also help. However my best asset was a great sword of holy wrath, meaning when I did close...

Yeah, it might help if you could provide a screen shot or something, so we know what you're talking about. Because in manual skill training, crawl won't turn a skill on when you pick up a weapon for it, unless you previously had that skill turned on, then dropped that type of weapon. Even in auto tr...

Uhh.. well are you sure you're on manual training? Because if you're already opening the skills menu when you start the game, and set the skills you want to train, it shouldn't turn on some other skill when you pick up a weapon that uses it.

Hirsch I wrote:I remember when that thing was +2.

And now it's ruined forever. Thanks devs

Damn, the 7th level of the hells are pretty hard already, and Cocytus was really not the easiest one anyway. I suppose making EV more relevant in extended might not be such a bad idea, but it sounds like these things are a bit much.

Dith was great on my NaWz run. It's like having a somewhat unreliable battlesphere always going, plus the bleed smoke thing is super helpful most of the time (sometimes you don't want everything closing to melee range, but oh well)

But none of those other branch ends will lock you in them when you realize just how far over your head you are. Not the biggest issue in the world, I just figured I'd point it out. Yeah, abyss and slime are definitely worth considering for the 3rd rune, and I have done abyss first on a few character...

Eh, V:5 isn't that bad if you go in prepared. I haven't died there in a long time. I can't imagine how an unspoiled player could possibly survive it though, since the difficulty jump is just so much worse than the lair branch rune floors.

Sure, but that's not on the list Turukano posted.

So I think the real lesson here is that it's Online players who are irrelevant :P . Or more likely, tavern users. Or perhaps, in a truer sense, DCSS players in general. Maybe even just gamers. In fact, how relevant are people in the grand scheme of things? Hell, life is pretty irrelevant, at least a...

Count it as whatever you want, but don't expect future wins to be quite so easy. With +41 slaying and +89 ev, you probably could have won without any armor, and using bread as a weapon.

a) a way to kill reliably b) escape methods c) enough key resistances[/b] A good list, but it's missing a key item: d) The sense and concentration to properly choose between a and b. Also, minor nitpick, but it actually doesn't really address the OPs complaint, unless you don't consider conjuration...

Good point, I figured the bow was kind of redundant with the conjurations, but perhaps the best advice would be to forget about ranged conjurations and just build the character around the bow. I didn't really consider just how good that bow is. I do absolutely hate ranged combat, but that's not why ...

I do think the Xom weapon swap should be removed. It's extremely spoilery that you have to have a second weapon of your preferred type in case Xom steals your main weapon. Once you do know that, it's a much less severe effect, but if you didn't know to have a backup weapon you could be quite screwed...

I'm still feeling a bit triggered... Really? This is the same guy talking about an 'anglo superiority complex' on these boards... If you want people to take you seriously, stop saying stuff like this, and stop spamming the board with every single thought that pops into your head. You make a lot of ...

I'd go Oka, heroism is a big boost to unarmed, and it'll help with the bow too. As a side benefit, you'll get ammo gifts, which will help out a bit with the bow. I'd focus on unarmed combat, and then some defensive skills. I'm assuming you've got conjure flame castable, which means you can hide behi...

In my recent NaWz game, even with 12 necro and only 8 poison magic (and 22 conjurations) I found venom bolt to be much more damaging than draining bolt, on targets that it can actually hurt. Of course, draining seems to be able to affect more monsters than poison, however I was quite disappointed wh...

Removing boots of flying, and making the ring of flying give permanent flight status might be the best bet. Fix this Mf issue and remove a little redundancy at the same time.

I agree with some of what and into said, however ghosts aren't just a flat difficulty increase. They are also bags of experience. Of course, that could be considered a difficulty decrease, which also may be problematic.

I don't know, a weird species bonus that kicks in once in a great while naturally, but can be taken advantage of with tons of kiting, is about the same as allowing the player character to set traps and lure monsters into them in my eyes. The idea of a species getting essentially a bonus in certain b...

If you're flying already, no water bonus. If you're not flying, water bonus. Just don't meld the boots when in the water. Yeah, that means merfolk get a very slight buff while in the water, but it removes all the stupid interactions that happen with boots melding and unmelding. If it's seen as a big...

Dith's shadow step and Ru's power leap fill the same role, are available to other races, and have interesting conditions (only working on motionless enemies/AOE damage for a price) By that same logic, we should remove controlled blink, scrolls of blinking (Shadow step and Ru's leap accomplish this)...

Well that's a pretty big nerf to merfolk, as >95% of the time, you're not in the water. I think it'd be much better to just remove the whole boots melding in water thing.

Speaking of ghost problems, Draconian ghosts with breath attacks. Enjoy all your skills being drained to 0... Why don't they just get the actual breath attack of the original character? It's not like cj ghosts cast ghostly missile instead of magic missile.

Also, couldn't a player theoretically painstakingly record a list of monsters they've killed with their experience values, so they know exactly how charged the evokable is anyway? It's slightly useful in the case where an evokable is almost all the way charged, so I know if I kill those 2 weak monst...

Well... uh...

Why do monsters have gender in their code anyway?
But... queen ants and bees are female... so why did it need to be removed?

At least they didn't rename queen ants to queen bees, and rename queen bees to merfolk avatars or something stupid

Before I just started compiling the new versions myself, I used to just unzip the new versions, then copy my morgue and saves folders over to that new version. Then you can delete the old version.

If you compile it yourself you don't have to worry about any of that.

Also, potion of cure mutation will not take you out of bat form. I think cancellation will.

Finally, shotguns in DCSS. It's about time. Now when do we get mounts and gardening?

You're probably right, in tomb the ability to see enemies through walls wasn't nearly as important as in pan and hell, and I was doing a lot more running behind corners in tomb. EDIT: Also, surprisingly, with 2 pips of RN and spirit shield, torment was much less scary than flaying ghosts. They were ...

First 15 rune victory, first time getting the pan lord's runes, first time beating tomb (That place is the worst). I really liked being able to sense enemies through walls, I actually passed up +0 boots of running for the boots of the assassin. The +stealth did nothing for me, and I don't think I go...

Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.16-a0-1656-g56257b6 (tiles) character file. 11783216 Armor Wearing Bob the Invulnerable (level 27, 271/272 (273) HPs) Began as a Minotaur Fighter on Nov 16, 2014. Was the Champion of Makhleb. Escaped with the Orb ... and 15 runes on Nov 17, 2014! The game lasted 1...

Well, those numbers really illustrate that using a shield without the skill for it doesn't really hurt your offense very much, especially when your attack is already kinda slow. On the other hand, the unskilled shield has a pretty noticeable effect on enemy accuracy. I assume things slide a bit furt...

distortion is only deadly if you unwield it Well, it can also be deadly if it blinks a ranged threat away. It's bad enough chasing down orb spiders and merfolk avatars, it's much worse if when you catch them they get blinked away and you have to do it again. A distortion weapon is also very bad whe...

Usually if I have some issue with hydras on a makhleb character I just summon 2 or 3 minor demons, and either bash away with whatever non bladed weapon I have handy, or blast away with spells/wands while my demons help out. For extra safety, add more demons.

On the stabbers I've run, I stuck with short blades. When you have conjurations too, I don't understand why you'd then go and try to learn another melee weapon. I do sometimes wonder if it would be worthwhile to just start with long blades, and just use whatever long/short blade you find that you li...

Yeah, the potion of might was a really good idea for getting fighters off the ground. The adder example misses the very important fact that adders can poison you, so a shorter fight is better, however that's a very specific case anyway. But I suppose it also shows that fighters should have an easier...

Yeah, it's a better name. Annex means the same thing here in the US, as far as I know. I'm probably being overly sensitive, especially given that the OPs first language probably isn't English, so it's entirely possible he didn't mean 'Anglo superiority complex' to be as offensive as I took it to be.

Yeah... that's nemelex for you.

I tried to suggest this yesterday, but apparently the forum software didn't like it, so I'll try again: When a monk joins Xom, they should immediately get a blast from the Xom Mutato-Ray. That's their 'bonus'. Then it kind of follows the theme that Monks get the rewards from joining a god earlier th...

Fighters start with some armour skill, gladiators start with some dodging skill. The amount of armour skill fighters start with is not enough to actually do anything with the scale mail they start with. They have the same AC as they would with 0 armour skill. The amount of dodging skill gladiators s...

My assertion that armour is worse than dodging early on is simply because much less XP investment is needed to get 1 point of EV vs 1 point of AC, especially early on when you have only 6 base AC. You don't even start with enough armour skill to give +1 AC. A GL on the other hand actually gets some ...

Your suggestion makes sense, but I don't see why you have to assert that there's some 'superiority complex'. It's kind of insulting.

It seems like Fi are just a really bad background anyway. Armour is much, much worse than dodging early on, a shield without the skill to back it up is sometimes a liability, rather than a good thing... Plus they don't get much skill in their chosen weapon to start.

Why would gills help you move through water faster? Knee deep water doesn't slow you down, because you stick your head under the water? And by the same token, why would this make you more stealthy?

Just to add on to what others have already said here, if you find yourself in the abyss despite your best efforts to avoid it, keep these tips in mind: The only way to get out of the abyss is to explore until you find an exit, or by finding and converting to Logonu and using the escape the abyss abi...

Sprucery wrote:It is not a good idea to attack Crazy Yiuf with sandblast while wielding stones. When he berserks you with his chaos staff, you're stuck berserking with stones in hand.

With berserk active, hitting him awkwardly with those stones will still have +10 damage, so it might not be so bad.

I just rolled through elf with a FoFi, I had so much MR that when I took off a MR++ gloves, I still had max MR on the character screen. I had RC++, RF++, good AC, decent EV, and a vamp triple sword. And I just dug myself a killhole and yelled a lot. It was hilariously easy, however it would not have...

That int ring is doing practically nothing for you, definitely switch that out. You'd probably be better off wearing the resistance rings over the rings you're wearing now, but I'd wear the slaying ring, and maybe swap it out if needed for specific scenarios. Stop training shields, you only need 5 a...

Yeah, once in a while it's probably worthwhile if you are just missing some key thing like a source of RF before zot. I don't understand why you need RF/RC in depths/vault 5, more than you need it for Elf3. I'd rather go searching for RF/RC in those places rather than go searching for it in elf. It'...

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