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Well, labyrinths in particular are optional, although I would argue it's typically optimal play to go into labyrinths, as they're typically easy. So completing labyrinths, for people who find them tedious, is an optimal but tedious task, which does sort of go against the design philosophy. The abyss...

Well, when I said 'viable' I didn't mean they're the only ones that can win, but rather they're the obvious best choice. In the same way that one can win at crawl with nothing but a spear, yet I really wouldn't call a spear a viable end game weapon. This probably just means I'm badly misusing the wo...

Fair enough. I will say that I personally don't enjoy walking through the maze, but I do enjoy killing the minotaur and grabbing his loot. So I'd be fine with skipping the whole maze part. But it doesn't really detract much from the game for me, so if other people get enjoyment out of it, I wouldn't...

So, I just beat ToME 4, and... I think I'm done with it forever. I won with a magician, using mostly fire and wildfire. The game seemed so cool at first, you get to choose your skills, sort of like Diablo 2, there's tons of different equipment, there are no consumables, so you can just use all your ...

But wouldn't the labyrinth be much more interesting if the whole maze aspect was removed, and instead it was something more like a mini linesprint? Of course, the name 'labyrinth' wouldn't be so appropriate anymore... but flavor < gameplay. You could just make the hallway from clear stone, and have ...

I certainly like to see when my extra effects made something happen. I like that crawl tells me if my shield made me miss, I like it when it tells me my repel missiles just repelled a missile, I like it when it tells me phase shift just made an enemy miss, so I would like it if agility did the same ...

We need more various chunks. Acid chunks, negative energy chunks, magma chunks, summoned chunks(for some reason, you can only eat them if you have warding). I really feel like my resistances are going to waste if I can't use them to eat all the tasty monsters. Plus, why do poison chunks have a Y/N p...

If you changed labyrinths to instead be a 3 wide hallway with you at one end, and the minotaur and the escape at the edge of LOS, and charge some permafood for entry, it would functionally be pretty much the same. Nobody starves to death in labyrinths, and I don't think a whole lot of people die to ...

mut roulette is no dumber than any other non optimal play, like picking an octipode, a naga, or worshipping chei :P. The true goal of crawl isn't to get the orb out of the dungeon, it's to have fun. That said, mut roulette is certainly not the optimal strategy for getting the orb out of the dungeon.

The problem is, hydra form isn't geared for anything except wasting XP (admittedly in a fun way).

Well, the biggest penalty of dying as a felid is that you still have to keep playing as a felid.

The long and the short of it is that if you wnat to leverage your aux attacks you should play a staff wielder, and hope for a quarterstaff/lajatang of speed. You can greatly increase the chances of this by playing a berserker or worshiping Okawaru. As long as you are worshiping one of the gifting g...

Rename it to hydra strike, and then it's an option to spend mana rapidly and do good damage and heal, while avoiding the whole thing with utterly wrecking your defenses. Then you might cast a few hydra strikes, then cast blade hands. Both spells are useful, and it's not a waste of XP anymore. I thin...

I don't really see how "it's not the spriggan that's wrong, it's you" is right, or helpful advice... But it's really hard to hit spriggans with bolt spells anyway, and this one has deflect missiles, which makes it even harder. In addition, the air strike spell does extra damage if you're f...

I started at the wiki to learn a lot of the basics of the game, which it is very good for. It's also good for finding out what spells do, and seems to be the only way to find out what the hell the various cards do. I think the wiki is like offline crawl. The online community pretends it doesn't exis...

While the OP may have made himself look bad in the one post he made, he's not the only one to act like a douche in this topic.

"Remember that time he was wrong? What an asshole1?!!?!?! ROFLMAO"

Stay classy tavern...

But.... why would you transform to a hydra if you're going to cast spells? Why not just keep your AC and EV and cast the spells? If you need an escape spell in a fight with blade hands, you would have been dead in that fight if you were using hydra form instead. At least, that's my experience. And I...

Rod hunger matters in that I will not use rods generally due to the hassle of having to equip them, shoot the spells, equip my real weapon, and then eat some food. However, I don't see how this balances early game rods any more than late game rods. It's just as annoying late game as it is early game.

Chaos brand is really good on stabbers, once you're to the point where you can deal with an accidentally berserked, invis, or healed foe. There's a lot of effects that lead to a stabbable foe. Of course, following this thought through to its logical conclusion of trying to start as a chaos stabber i...

That's a really good point. How do you prompt when targeting only immune monsters, but not prompt when targeting invisible monsters? You really can't without introducing a big information leak. Otherwise if the game doesn't give me a prompt when I target an imp with fireball I know there's an invisi...

What does hunger on rods actually accomplish? They're already quite balanced by their own limited charges after all. And there aren't any special evokables or spells that refill them, like there are with player MP.

Yeah, I agree with you there. I get the thinking behind the prompt, but I don't think it's actually accomplishing much.

It would also be nice if when you see the 'invisible enemy' sprite, spells would auto target it like any other enemy. Tab should probably do the same.

Well... I know people can be a bit prickly around here from time to time, but I don't think this 'I told you so assholes' post is going to help in the future, if your future goals include people listening to you. I pretty much agree with all the stuff you listed there, but lots of people agree with ...

Hydra form is really really fun, it's great to be able to kill tons of popcorn at once, and get engorged at the same time. That said, there is no reason to invest the XP in transmutation to get it castable, let alone at a good power level. Hunger and popcorn killing are both bad reasons to spend lot...

Maybe that's true, blade hands outclasses spider and ice forms, hands down, and that's before you consider how much those forms destroy your defenses. Hydra form damage is comparable to blade hands, maybe even better if you consider the cleave effect, but lowering your AC and EV to horribly low leve...

That's a neat idea. But the bonus really needs to be temporary in some way, especially if you can cash in your permanent zombies and skeletons for it. Otherwise, I could just raise every single corpse as I go through the game, then right before I enter Zot, or whatever dangerous place, I go back to ...

Yeah, just auto pickup anything stackable if you already have at least 1. That would make it much simpler to only auto pickup certain ammo, rather than having 10052 normal arrows, 2 dispersal arrows, 6 poison arrows, etc...

Hirsch I wrote:hey, what if Xom liked playing pretend, and used other god's abilities and wrath?
"Hey, look at me, I'm Makleb!" *summons hostile demons at you*
it would be fun.

He already does that...

Sticky flame is good when enemies will be in range for it. It doesn't matter if you try to get close to them, or they try to get close to you. On a Chei FE, enemies are going to end up next to you. It's damage isn't changed by your defenses or weapons. But those are also good things to have, regardl...

That's a fair question, but the limitedness of the starting items for an artificer are pretty much guaranteed. In that way artificers wands are sort of like assassin's curare needles, which are an extra powerful thing they start with for extra challenging situations, rather than an ice elementalist'...

Well, I play a lot of fighters, gladiators, Conjurers, Fire elementalists, berserkers... I've yet to start a game where the gladiator's weapon failed to spawn, or where the fighter's shield didn't appear. I have not played a single game where my conjurer's magic missile wasn't in the starting book M...

Luckily for hunters, running out of arrows is even less likely than an EE running out of stones, as long as they're willing to put up with some weapon switching tedium. And the short sword doesn't run out of MP. But really, I'm not trying to debate whether EE is a difficult background or not, rather...

That's actually a bulletproof plan to avoid dying in all the most dangerous parts of the game. No chance of dying in vaults, zot, elf, or anywhere else!
I guess the game has been solved, finally.

Ash can be easily rebalanced to work with less remove curse scrolls by giving more curse item scrolls per scroll sacrificed. Although to be honest I think remove curse scrolls are in the right place when the player actually has a fair chance of having cursed items, which is in the early game. The re...

I don't know... in imaginary no sandblast crawl, would you ever think this was a good proposal? Some background should start with a crappy damage spell, except if you hold stones in your hand, it's extra powerful, to the point that it's overpowered for a level one spell. I plan to balance that over...

I don't know... in imaginary no sandblast crawl, would you ever think this was a good proposal? Some background should start with a crappy damage spell, except if you hold stones in your hand, it's extra powerful, to the point that it's overpowered for a level one spell. I plan to balance that overp...

Maybe a bit off-topic, but how often do people visit the Elf:2 Hall of Blades to find a nice weapon? I would recommend 'almost never'. You would normally have a good weapon before it becomes non-suicidal to pass through two levels of Elf and then clear Blade. Great mace, battleaxe, great sword, or ...

I guess you could do that, but I really question what you're gaining by limiting sandstorm to the quantity of stones found. Would the game be significantly easier if you just removed the weak version of sandstorm? Like I said before, is 'stone in hand' sandstorm too powerful for a level 1 spell? As ...

Sounds like just really bad luck with drops.

That's still a huge nerf, what happens when on D1 I open the door and there's a jackal on the other side? There is simply no way to make them be at max range. Boosting the range of the spell is not the main reason to use stones, it's the extra damage. I guess the question nobody is asking is this: I...

What? Stones exist for the very important reason of being thrown at stuff. It's slings that are pointless... Your suggested change is a huge nerf to sandblast. Remember EEs level two spell is stoneskin, so they're stuck with sandblast for a fair amount of time. I do agree it would be really nice to ...

I am pretty sure the change you are talking about just made all +1 and +2 aux items show up as glowing or runed without messing with their generation in any way. I suppose that's possible, but it really feels like +x on weapons and armor was a lot more likely previously. And it seems like artifact ...

So I'm really not getting why I would want to spend 6 levels to memorize this spell, let alone train TM high enough to cast it with decent spellpower... I can get blade hands castable with way less investment, and I get similar single target damage, and I get to keep my AC and EV, and whatever other...

But trees are too stiff to slouch anyway...

It would be nice if the wanderer loadout were a little more focused, meaning no more than 1 item for any given slot, and skills that are compatible with the items and spells they have.

A recent huge nerf that people don't often bring up is that you can't find enchanted non-ego floor items anymore, and that most of the ego items are now just basic enchanted items. Meaning the power level of stuff found on the floor is dramatically lower than before. I think there are too many of so...

Well... why did you even go to vault 5 when you had 3 runes already? Also, you seemed to have like 30 hps rotted, I assume you didn't quaff curing potions when you first got the rot effect from the mummies in crypt, that way you could have prevent a lot of rot with a single potion. You have 2 levels...

Perfect, exactly what I was looking for. Thanks Galefury.

By the way, shouldn't this, and probably the original Msysgit guide, be stickied in the tech support forum?

crate wrote:DEFE doesn't use fighting though; it doesn't hit things.

What? Are you trolling newbies now? The primary reason for training fighting on a DEFE isn't to hit things better...

Recently, something broke, or something got added that's not fully supported, or some such technical nonsense, which has caused it to no longer be possible to compile crawl locally following the guide that was linked here a while ago. I know in another topic people have seemingly solved this issue, ...

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