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I'm curious about this too. I particularly liked the DE Ice elementalist that Schwa was just talking about. I know the wiki had some kind of reformatting, but did they just... delete them? :cry:

I don't really see anything wrong with this, if it can be easily coded. I like scythes because of their thematic value, but they're so terrible that I would appreciate even a slightly better version of them. Also, throwing away scythes right now is a no brainer. Isn't that against Crawl design philo...

Perhaps we should reduce Djinn's negative energy resistance a few ticks (they're literally made out of energy; draining attacks shouldn't do that much less damage to them) and give them rPois and rRot instead?

Yeah, didn't you hear? The devs created a new class of demon, tier 0. They're kind of crappy, to be honest.

Jeez. Did it just ignore your AC? 20 is nothing to sneeze at, midgame. I've never been hit by anything like that from an Orb Spider.

...Is this dead?

Well, Mummies can actually start the game as primary casters. Try getting a Djinn Wizard off of D:1.

Djinn are great, but don't start them as a primary caster (unless it's a fire elementalist)
If you want to cast, start as some other class and invest in spellcasting later, when you have the EP to support it.

As Zion pointed out, this way is more dynamic and allows players to have greater input and control over their characters, without really damaging balance. Arbitrary HP modifiers are unnecessary and clunky when the same/similar effect can be accomplished with a universal stat based HP boost. :ugeek:

Wow. That's, uh. That's a pretty strong character you've got there.

I have been under the impression that only Fighters gained extra HP. Regardless, the effect does not have to be substantial to be noticeable, and I think it would console those who like the idea of having a big, strong tank character. Can't hurt to try it, right? That's what Trunk is for.

It just feels kind of weird to me that a 30 strength melee brute has the same HP as a 7 strength wizard, so long as they're the same level, race, and have equal Fighting.

Why not have every point in Strength increase HP by a point or two? It makes sense biologically, and also adds to gameplay by giving Strength a visible effect on the character. I'm pretty sure everyone still picks Dex when they get the chance, so this might not be a bad idea. Thoughts?

I love the Implosion spell. It would be nice to have a level 9 pure conjuration...

fighting is bad

Summoning has already received some pretty serious nerfs recently. I'm actually in favor of this idea (it's thematic and provides interesting gameplay choices) but only if the other recent nerf, the inability for summons to fight outside of LOS, is removed. It's unrealistic and removes fun game tact...

Many endgame threats do more damage, especially in tandem, than can be restored in a turn with a healing potion (which is the level of healing I'm talking about). Heck, hydras outdamage them, and you see those as early as XL10. Using Sif channeling and spamming "Foo's Heal" or whatever whe...

It's intentional that for renewable healing you need either a god or to dabble in Necromancy, i.e., there's no single healing solution whose only downside is having to regen MP. ...why? I guessed that it was intentional, but I don't see how it detracts from the game. If it's that big of a lifesaver...

that would be a weird thing to see it as, considering that it is a nerf (channeling/makhleb etc)

What? Sorry, I'm not following you here...

I wasn't really sure where to put this, since it doesn't really belong in advice of design discussion. I'm sure there's a well documented reason for this, but I can't seem to find it: why doesn't Crawl have a healing spell? Did older versions have one, but it's been long removed? What was the reason...

That would be fine too, although I'm not sure if the devs would see that as overpowered

I think I've proposed this already, but EP=(2x-1) where x is the spell level seems like a much better system than EP=2x. I might actually be able to play caster's with a better than 20% D:1 survival rate :lol:

...not sure that they should just let you out of the Abyss or Pan like that. A major point of those places is that they are easy to get into and hard to get out of.

It does not influence gameplay. Until recently, you could not reanimate mutagenic corpses. Now you can, but there is no Ugly Thing Zombie tile, so the game just uses...uh... whatever it is that it uses right now. Just go with it, I guess

Azrael wrote: Ugh, I hate Revivification. The idea of permanently weakening a character is anathema to me. Why not just use Death's Door if you're in trouble? No permanent weakening, and the invincibility lasts more than long enough to escape. I am Deep Dwarf so Death's Door is not great. Yes, usua...

I love this idea. I really don't understand this obsession with "balance" so many people have; Crawl is not a multiplayer game, so who cares if some CS are much stronger than others? If it's really a problem, ban them from tournaments. Same thing for customizable backgrounds.

Ugh, I hate Revivification. The idea of permanently weakening a character is anathema to me. Why not just use Death's Door if you're in trouble? No permanent weakening, and the invincibility lasts more than long enough to escape.

I just have this funny mental image now of a cat jumping on a sleeping dragon's back and just going all the way through until it bursts through its heart and out of its chest. Kind of like Alien.

Djinn are my favorite race right now (though I agree that they need a bit of reworking).
The dilemma of having to choose between spells and hp is an interesting one.

Perhaps red.

Why not just keep the current system, but add a new "class", similar to Wanderer, that allows you to point-buy? That way everyone gets what they want. Crawl isn't a multiplayer game, and not every combo has to be balanced in relation to every other one. It's okay if some people prefer play...

Spellcasting is not the same as hitting someone with a magic brick. It has as many uses as there are spells. But on a more fundamental level, fighting and spellcasting are thematic opposites because one confronts problems with the physical, and the other with the supernatural. They are fundamentally...

*thematic* opposite :oops:

Nah, Lucy's definitely on LSD :twisted:

Doesn't it seem weird to anyone else that out of the nearly thirty races in Crawl, there are only 4-5 with +0 or above in Spellcasting? Especially since its opposite, Fighting, has about 17 races with +0 or more as an aptitude? Just trying to fill things out a bit, that's all.

...You're kind of an amazing player, crate. I'm not sure you count

But if nobody agrees with me on this, I'll drop it.

Okay, let's forget flavor. Felids are weak as it is. Besides berserkers, there really aren't viable melee options open to them; isn't 0 or +1 spellcasting in return for basically -10 in all weapon skills good for balance?

Well, would it be inappropriate to up it to 0 or +1? They are creatures of magic, made to design and assist in the casting of spells. -1 simply doesn't make sense (and they're already a challenge race; the boost would hardly be damaging to balance)

Doesn't this remove 99% of the challenge of the endgame and post endgame, since all of those enemies try to kill you with magic? Heck, you could just walk up to an Orb of Fire and poke it to death with one of the useless scrolls you found lying around.

Could somebody take a moment to explain to me why felids have a -1 spellcasting aptitude when they're MADE TO HELP PEOPLE WITH SPELLS?

Sorry, that just really annoys me whenever I play felids. It's not like they're overpowered or anything, and it contradicts the lore.

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I think the content of his answers should be given more weight than the tone. There are plenty of friendlier and very enthusiastic posters that give horrible advice, and it seems like what most new players are going to benefit from with the blue-coloring is knowing who is giving them good informati...

Yeah, the closest I've come to guilt is when I forced one incestuous psychotic elf twin to kill another one. Then I remembered they were incestuous psychotic elf twins, and I felt better.

*awkward*

You've worked on Tome4? Congrats on the nice game (though not as good as Crawl, of course

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I think it would detract from the realism to replace the qualitative system we have now with a quantitative one. One of the things I like most about Crawl is the immersion is gives you; seeing a bunch of numbers instead of a general "feeling" would make things too, well, video-gamey for me...

...So basically, they're anti-djinn?

Other than flavor, what new stuff does this race offer?

I've never encountered that situation, but I imagine you would leave it behind *don't trust me on that*

I'm just going to take a moment to let this sink in for me

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