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How many turns of kiting did this take? And at what point were you able to really do this, and where? Because Qaz cloud generation gets weird with walls (making it harder to dance), I assume you need enough open space to get some clouds. And that means you must've already finished the part of the l...

Pair guards with support monsters; minor wands; give them more (or a preference for) reaching-branded items. I'm not sure how that'd work really, I mean it'd probably up the difficulty significantly for everyone who isn't Qazlal worshipping and I don't think we can fine tune spawning based on god c...

I offed an orc warlord by just wandering around with him behind me - same with an OOD etin. As it's random elements, it also means that eventually anything will die to it eventually. ... Edit: It's never good to criticize without a suggestion, but I don't really know what to suggest. I love passive...

So I've played a lot of Qazlal recently and although I do love him, he has a rather overly exploitable power which I definitely think needs sorting out. The storm clouds you randomly generate can be used to kite to death anything. Absolutely anything without a ranged attack can be completely killed ...

Well, there is always the fully charged wand of hasting/healing, or a powerful rod if you have high evoc investment. Duplicating one of the wands, fully charged, is around 3 recharge scrolls. Of course, without scroll flammability now, you can just carry your recharge scrolls around with you. Even ...

Why not take simplification a step further, and have ash curse any and all items on equip. For a medium piety cost, you can remove an item. Remove curse scrolls make ash very angry, and are verboten, so you don't need to worry about balancing those. That seems a bit 'easy' for a god whose supposed ...

With the changes to corrosion, weapon and armour duplication is now less useful unless we're talking 1) give to an ally 2) dupe a +9/+9 and use a scroll of branding on the dupe for swapping. I hadn't thought of those, but both are kinda outlying cases -there's not many players who would have a perm...

To be honest I haven't found Gozag very helpful and is probably the least useful god to choose after Xom. This would be fine if his abilities were fun, but just hoping for a good shop is kinda not that great. However, I love the theme and I'd really like to see him built on. Without wanting to sound...

One more suggestion: I think that, just like Kiku, Qazlal's 6 star gift should include the alternate possibility of gifting the Book of Clouds. This would make that god more appealing to spellcasters. Alternatively, instead of a full book, one spell from the book of clouds could be gifted the same ...

I have yet to see somebody articulate a good reason to do this, even though it's probably the most common suggestion recently. I don't deny one might exist, but nobody has made a good argument. This is still true. There have been a few hints at reasons - descriptions of the current situation such a...

My suggestion for hunger looks like this: New bar: Energy, it starts maxed lowers with actions taken (various energy costs for various abilities), it restores itself when you kill stuff, or explore new territory, *not* when you rest (you lose a little energy when you rest), if it gets to 0 you die ...

I have yet to see somebody articulate a good reason to do this, even though it's probably the most common suggestion recently. I don't deny one might exist, but nobody has made a good argument. A good reason to do this: It's annoying. It boils down to corpses not being able to be moved any more and...

Definitely agree with Hirsch's idea, it makes a lot of sense and would eliminate the early tedium which is so off putting with Ash. I don't think it needs the stipulations of 2/3 curse scrolls or praying over it or anything really, although it could cost a minor bit of piety I suppose. I can't imagi...

I think it's a fair trade off, as it's the one gamble you have with Ash whose other abilities are completely RNG based. I wouldn't mind if he got an extra 'scroll shuffle' ability though, which costed a chunk of piety (no need for MP or hunger as you'd only do it somewhere safe) and shuffled all you...

The idea of self-banishment as a good thing is covered by weapons of distortion (which are sometimes used for this purpose) and the Lugonu Invocation "Enter the Abyss" (which is this ability except reusable if you keep your piety up.) Those mine this design vein enough a third item is com...

My suggestion: Two new status effects, for lack of a better name call them NoRead and NoDrink. They range in % from 0 to 100. -snip- Although I think it's an interesting idea, it seems too complicated for implementation. That's not to say it is, just that I know from past experience here that propo...

My suggestion: Two new status effects, for lack of a better name call them NoRead and NoDrink. They range in % from 0 to 100. -snip- Although I think it's an interesting idea, it seems too complicated for implementation. That's not to say it is, just that I know from past experience here that propo...

The only way I see this working is permanent buffs - it's the single most needed thing for DCSS. Everyone moans about all the other 'tedious' aspects, but having to continually do z-b, z-d every 20 turns is much, much more annoying.

What about a preventable item destruction? Like, if you get hit by a fire attack, there's a chance one of your scrolls lights on fire. Now you can spend a turn putting out the fire, or ignore it, letting the scroll be destroyed, or simply read the scroll, using it before it's destroyed. That makes ...

Again, I'm not debating the tedium/annoyance of the tactic, just that it was a tactic. You had to survey your surroundings and see 'can anything destroy my scrolls/potions - if so - drop them' - admittedly, not great fun, but still a tactic. That's a big chunk of tactical thinking taken out, regard...

I know, my proposal has a lot of problems, unless it was somewhat targetted to give you actually usable skills. Having your Cj suddenly have tons of transmutation skill wouldn't do you any good. At least you'd be able to run away,but then, why even bother messing with the skills... What if confusio...

The new corrosion is MUCH more tactically important than the old corrosion. The old one wasn't really likely to cause you a problem in any given fight, it just meant you needed a backup weapon early on for slimes, and you couldn't go into the slime pits without a special set of gear. The new one do...

Crawl adds a bunch of new mechanics every version, with few exceptions. It hasn't added a new weight mechanic or a new item destruction mechanic, but it's adding other mechanics at a breakneck pace (gods...) and removing very few. I agree that 0.15 is actually easier than the previous version right...

For the love of beogh, we don't need to get rid of everything that's slightly superfluous to hacking and blasting - some of us find the atmospheric/random stuff FUN. I enjoy fountains, they're a random source of fun/interest, and one of the last true gambles in DCSS. More than that, I've found fount...

Well intrinsic clarity would reverse one of their biggest weaknesses. Along those lines of thought, what if confusion somehow wasn't completely bad on a mummy? Like, when confused, the mummy's memories of its past life come to the surface, and the mummy temporarily has its skills randomly shuffled ...

*less dangerous to your scrolls and potions. You probably mean not dangerous to them at all. Enemies did not become less dangerous, though. We have now more consumables throughout the game, that's true, but it was clearly stated that if necessary, item drops will be adjusted to deal with overabunda...

You guys seem to have driven off the main topic and over-analyze some non-related issue. If you have problems with mummies, let's make it clear. OP's proposal WILL NOT SOLVE your problems. Instead it's fun, has flavor behind it and I do not see a clear reason why it couldn't be implemented. Let's h...

For better or worse, item destruction seems to have finally been gotten rid of. While I know there are two distinct camps on this issue, I think it's fair to say that a lot of previous mechanics and monsters have become a lot less dangerous. Specifically, things like fire/ice giants, fire drakes, or...

It isn't about the worst player or punishing players, it's basic RPG common sense - think about it the way a standard RPG fan would come to it: 'fire kills hydra heads/plants, I need to carry around a flame weapon', 'holy for demons/undead', 'freeze for cold blooded' - that's already 3 weapons, and ...

You don't need to carry more than a few weapons ever, and carrying a few weapons was quite possible when we had inventory weight. It's easier to do that now, but the 'difficulty' that was removed was really just hassle balancing out excess consumable and didn't involve much strategic thinking you w...

I get that this is going in the direction of simplification that crawl is going in at the moment, but I really think that removing weight completely is a step in the wrong direction. While weight can become tedious for certain aspects (dropping that one scroll to be below burdened), it certainly add...

So the responses to this thread show that people are pretty strongly divided on the issue. I'd say that making Identify scrolls auto-ID'd would be a good compromise. They are by their very nature an object of identification, so it seems weird that you need to identify the indentifyer. Remove curse s...

To be honest, I haven't read through all the responses. This is because I think the initial proposal is fantastic.
I find Nem tedious for exactly the reasons outlined, and this would help significantly without changing the flavour of the god too much.

As far as Dith being overpowered goes: is he really stronger than Makhleb? Would a Deep Elf Conjurer really want to use him over Vehumet? Would a MiGl really want him over Okawaru, or a Mummy Summoner over Sif Muna? Specialization is important in Crawl. You've picked very strong and specialised exa...

If Dith stays as is, I don't know if I'd ever use any other god. I think that's a definite indicator that he's too strong at the moment. Making shadow action melee only would nerf him considerably, but only blasters would really suffer (who aren't really aligned with him much anyway). If this was f...

Having a one-off pet doesn't sound great as you'd probably want to basically grind it up until it reaches a useful form, but it'll probably get stomped pretty quickly. However, giving a beastmaster a summoning item (much like sack of spiders) which only spawns one animal (like the spirit animal prop...

Not to throw on problems, but my biggest problem with autoexplore is with electric eels. If you use autoexplore, you can often end up with an eel being able to get one hit in, which can be quite deadly for fragile chars.
I know the idea is not to use AE as much, but it still annoys me somewhat.

A mercenary shop seems like a great idea!! I do wonder about the balance aspects of it though, I feel it would be a fiendish task as, unlike shops - most types of allies would be useful for anyone. By this, I just mean that if having an ally is desirable for everyone so set quite low level, they'd n...

After more play (and reading others replies), I think it might be better to make shadow action a melee only attack, which could scale in power with the player, but not precisely mimic it's attacks. This might push the god further into melee focussing, but I don't think that's particularly terrible r...

Just got down to late lair with a SpAs playing a traditional stealth based play through, just thought I'd give some feedback: For one, I think this God really does fill a gap which needed filling. Not because its an easy choice or OP'd or anything, just because its a god which is tailored to a steal...

I find the Shadowport ability a bit odd, tactics wise. It seems to encourage camping near doors/statues, or keeping a weak monster alive and having it follow you around so that you can stand in its shadow and use the ability. It would probably work better if the "you have to stand in a shadow&...

Seth seems like a defense/escape god more than a stealth god. That would be an apt description for the 3/5 of its abilities that aren't Shadow action (which I admittedly still don't fully understand) and Umbra. I now realize why mikee used the peculiar phrase "what could be seen as a 'stealth ...

I realise one of the goals of crawl is to make it lean and without clutter/annoyance, but I really don't think there is any need to remove branches/cut the levels down just because they're currently boring/difficult. I agree it needs a bit of work, but branches are what makes the game fun/gives an e...

However, regarding this proposal (Seth), I would expect more stealth-related abilities for a stealth deity, and I don't find the "shadow" theme (as it's realized) strategically compelling. I think the problem (which has been pointed out on this thread and the threat you linked too) is tha...

Definitely think this is the best stealth god proposal I've heard. Ideas on abilities: Umbra: As long as it's a lesser version of umbra (possibly just called darkness or something) then I think this makes a lot of sense as a passive ability. Possibly a shuffle around of Yred and Seth would work a bi...

I completely agree, the message makes it sound as though there's some sort of penalty attached to it. However, 'choke down' sounds equally as negative as 'the raw flesh tastes terrible' - possibly more so in fact. I would change it too: "The raw flesh is just edible." - it certainly makes ...

Oh god no. I hate those things whenever I run into them in role-playing books. It will be either too spoilery or too tedious, IMO - either you know which switch unlocks which feature, or you'd have to comb previous levels to find what changed. I'd rather have a bunch of switches right next to the l...

It would be ultra tedious to have lots of locks and doors, especially when this is a more 'tactical' RL rather than an 'adventure' RL. However, I would love to see more ' mechanisms/puzzles' in crawl, even if they were only a few multilevel puzzles (you have to turn a bronze statue on level 14 to op...

After playing the new races pretty much exclusively, I have to say that Gargoyles seem pretty good - they're different, fit into a niche that isn't filled - whilst not being too strange mechanically. I'd be annoyed if they were taken out - I've been wanting to play a heavy armour caster for a long t...

It seems that everyone agrees that item 'destruction' should either make items temporarily unavailable (this doesn't need to be a completely insignificant amount of time) or that on using items they have a chance to be destroyed. I'd say combine both. Some items are coloured red/blue (for firey/froz...

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