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Perhaps just giving them dire flails one handed would be enough, a one handed great mace would be over the top, but I think a dire flail (being roughly equal to a demon blade) as a one-handed alternative for trolls and ogres would give them some variety without breaking the power balance much at al...

Bows: I would use Sharnga. That is a speed longbow, probably the best ranged weapon in the game. It is a better bread and butter bow. But I'd carry both, as penetration is a very nice brand situationally. As for extended, I would not do it. Your last win was a long time ago, so this is not the time...

Or just feel OP and die due to overconfidence. I cannot believe I won FeCj at first attempt and then lost 5 HEAM in the row. It's surprising at first, but book Fe really are easier than average characters. I feel like crate has mentioned before that AM is (maybe was) the best background for Chei, a...

Vampiric daggers are kind of silly to me. If I can stab it, it is asleep or immobilized, so I can get away and rest to heal, right? Why sneak up on something if you still have hp to heal off? Run away, heal, and come back. Generally this is correct. Undead characters that can swap vampiric daggers ...

I think it's 100% fine for unrands to not have flashy gimmicks. I agree, but here's the argument against it. If an unrand is merely a good item that could plausibly be generated by other means, then it's not bringing anything new to the table, thus you might as well remove it and let random generat...

Hi! I'm running a GrBewith shields/one-handed M&F at the moment and so far Trog has gifted me a +1 antimagic demonwhip and a +1 antimagic eveningstar. Planning on dumping Trog for someone else soon-ish and I doubt I'll be seeing another eveningstar this game I usually don't run with maces and r...

Pretty nice answer! Forgot to ask, which stat should I invest in the early game? Lvl 3 int or str? Spellcasting shouldn't be prioritized? My stat gains as a DrTm would probably be 0-2 Int, 7-9 Dex. The modest gains in damage from Str do not compare to the very noticeable gains in EV from Dex, and s...

Hello! I've been an on and off crawler for about 4 years now. Most recently managed to reach Zot:5 with a MiFi of TSO. Managed to clear Tartarus and Gehenna and got a little more hooked into doing these branches. I've always liked the DrTm concept, and would appreciate some help on how to level up ...

Sar wrote:You don't even really need to abuse reach that much, Sp make for good melee characters - high EV and you can run away from things if they punch through it. You'll probably want some magic though, the usual buffs and such.

Yep. This character is capable of tabbing things just fine.

I do think the removal of item destruction makes things easier, conditioned on you actually arriving at the point where you have meaningful numbers of identified items. Fewer consumables early does make the early game a little harder, and in principle this just means the game is harder. In practice,...

Elemental staff kills stuff just fine, for the most part. Probably I would carry a lajatang for the odd things like crystal guardians or OOF that would present a problem.

I actually did some research on the melee capabilities of my elemental staff (and updated the wiki) and I must say that its underwhelming at best. Underwhelming compared to what? If you're fighting things resistant to the element it may not be that great, but with your spell skills and evocations, ...

Nice Fire Storm + Glaciate + Summon Hydra combo. As basically everybody has said, you should be fine once you stop trying to clear levels of Hell. This is also a good demonstration of why it's worthwhile to actually develop some sort of melee offense. And yes, Pan will be easier, especially for you ...

I'm pretty confident that

* damage from fighting skill,
* weapon bonus (+N weapon), (and slaying more generally)
* extra damage from a potion of might

will all get multiplied. I am a little less confident about brands, but I think those do too.

Stabs hit hard.

The bug isn't in the code, it's in the idea. AC is subtractive, and EV's effectiveness depends on the monster's accuracy. So you can't characterize these by one multiplicative factor that you divide out, because that factor depends on what you're fighting. To see this intuitively, imagine a hypothet...

I would probably just stick with Jiyva if I wanted to win. (I don't actually like playing with Jiyva, so I might change for that reason.) Slimify and cure bad mutation are very useful abilities.

Code:: Nor (7/7) Hell

This a Christmas thing? Why not Santaeus?

You don't have to just think that, there's proof that it's easily done: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring/players/hyperelliptic.html http://crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring/players/hypermikee.html That isn't dozens of players, but yes, I'm aware people can do it (I would include myself in the list of peo...

snow wrote:also that level 1 spell that lights up an enemy is sort of silly

Corona is fine as is. More accuracy early when you have no skill is a big deal. AM and En should be using it whenever they can for a few levels.

Common Misconception 1: Among top players, there is general agreement on how to best play the game. Fact: The agreed upon best way to play the game is typically the opposite of whatever the OP has suggested the best way to play the game is. I realize you're just carping here, but I think often that...

I'm slow compared to comparably skilled players, but I started very slow and have now moved to slightly faster than average. I think the main way to get faster is to get more experience. Most of the time you slow down will be when you're trying to think through situations where you're not sure to do...

Scratch that, figured it out in wizmode. If you hit a, this will bring up the abilities menu, and there should be an option "give weapon to named orcish follower." There are some limitations on the ability: You can only give a weapon to a named orc, not just a low-level one, and also you ...

I'm sorry, but you can't consider Conj 18 / Fire 17 as extreme skill investment... And note that none of the level 9 spells are mandatory to win the game : they're also suboptimal in a 3-runes game. All of this. The spell skilling here seems a little weird to me, although I can imagine a course of ...

I actually disagree, I think chaos is very strong, and most of the really bad effects had been removed or neutered lately. Chaos is really terrible in early game though, since you don't have escape items to deal with the few bad effects. If I were to play a CK I would be looking to replace my chaos...

Yes, a +8 vorpal lajatang is an excellent weapon and is a good, cheap melee option, especially with the staves crosstraining from your M+F. Training crossbows on top of bows and melee seems like a pretty big error to me, especially for a +4 hand crossbow. Aside from the xp waste, it seems likely to ...

I would discourage most people from doing V:5 as their third rune these days. Most characters are better off doing Slime or Abyss.

duvessa, you seem like a reasonable person to ask: how exactly does batty work? I know from unseen horrors and bats that speed 30 won't translate into tons of melee hits (although running away from these is not a plan), but I'm assuming you could just get unlucky and have one of these throw three ic...

Probably the best advice is to not do extended in 0.16.

I don't know the stats on these, Cheibriados doesn't have them yet. Looking at the commit it seems like they are very high speed and batty with icicle, which (especially in Cocytus, not noted for lots of corridors) seems pretty grim.

Learn Enslavement, it's a great spell for both fighting and retreat. En of Dith is somewhat tricky because Dith does not provide a way to kill monsters which you cannot stab. Unless you come across Magic Dart, which allowing you to trigger shadow shards relatively little MP cost and little to no sk...

The bonus damage done by the rod of striking is separately subject to AC reduction (so yes, AC is rolled twice, once against the base damage, and once against the evocation effect) I guess this doesn't really matter, as even if it weren't the case the rod of striking would still be pretty bad, but ...

There were some others I was missing: Leda's, Stoneskin, Passwall, Ignite Poison, Necromutation (at least I think most would agree here.) So yeah, lots of Tm spells that don't have anything to do with UC, technically. Still, most of those spells are very niche, and the Tm book is obviously very heav...

Part of the reason people aren't talking about things like Chei or centaurs is that playing effectively with those is very different from playing effectively in different situations. Thus they're not good recommendations if what you're looking to do is learn more broadly applicable Crawl ideas other...

I'd say so. I get the impression that there's some desire to change this (e.g. Irradiate.) (EDIT: There are a few other spells that don't need UC: Alistair's, Petrify, Sticks to Snakes. Sticks to Snakes sees use but I don't think the others get used a ton.) Personally, I've always enjoyed forms + UC...

I might learn ice form on that character actually. It helps that this could be done with no Transmutations skill, and the M+F investment thus far is not so huge as to make switching to UC completely infeasible. But I guess that I don't really see the advantage. It hits hard, sure, but on my Tms in ...

The skilling overall seems not too bad. I do think Sandman25 is right that there's some duplication here between Makhleb and some of the IE spells, but I don't think that's the biggest culprit. I would be happier if the points that were in Air Magic, Poison Magic, and most of the Summoning were in D...

I don't see the problem with duvessa's list of brands. This doesn't strike me as an area where consistency matters. With launchers I at least sometimes will think about making a decision based on available egos, but I don't think I've ever made my melee weapon decision on the basis of what brands we...

Such results suggest that felids are actually not pussies and they do not need further boosting (especially after they level up a bit). On the other hand, felids were the third least played species in 0.15. If only experienced players chose felids, that would explain high win rate amongst them (and...

Is the issue a stepdown or just a low cap? I thought EH power maxed out at 25; Confuse does not suffer from this limitation, which is another reason aside from dual schooling that Confuse will seem more effective.

I've used Refrigeration a couple times, and I think it's sorta overrated, especially now with the no-quaff debuff. The problem is that if you're convinced that you won't possibly need a potion if you shoot Refrigeration a few times, the odds are good that you don't really need Refrigeration at all. ...

I have noticed a possibly related thing. After killing Agnes and animating her, she was holding her lajatang slightly low so that it seemed like it wasn't quite fitting in the tile. This was in trunk webtiles.

IE is not easy for beginners as you have Ice Magic, Conjurations and Summoning to train . . . This is actually a good way to learn that you shouldn't neglect Spellcasting early on. The amount of training you have to put into Summoning to get productive use from ice beasts is quite small. I do agree...

Keep in mind that the question at hand isn't "what spell-casting character do you like playing because you think it kicks ass," but rather, "what spell-casting character will teach me lessons about Crawl so that I can become successful." DEFE would be fine for that too. In fact,...

I get what people are saying about UC suffering a bit with VS, but VSMo using UC is still a pretty good character. I remember this as one of my better raw tabbers and the gear doesn't even seem particularly distinctive (guess it's Dith power): Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.15-a0-82-g8db4111 (we...

Similarly, I'd use antimagic ax over lajatang of order against Orbs of Fire, despite the fact that the latter will do more damage against them. Antimagic is good. I would seriously consider switching to the lajatang of Order for orbs. The silver damage bonus is very big, and I find that antimagic i...

Imo the question if you take a shield or not depends on the circumstances. When you have a nice dragon armour (let's say, swamp DA) you can go without shields. I didn't play trolls with high EV but I think in this case you can drop your shield as well. But when you wear a robe and have something li...

Trog's Hand doesn't last very long, but on the other hand you don't really need it to; it will last long enough for the situations where it is important. You do not need MR ring mail. 29/23 defenses for a Be is somewhat mediocre, but yes, you can win the game with that. Just keep training more dodg...

I am a beginner, having just gotten my first ever rune (and now two) with my current MiBe. Thus far I've not encountered any MR+ items except for a +3 ring mail and a couple of Trog-gift launchers that I'm not using. (I have three rods and the disc of storms that I've trained Evocs for, and another...

I am not certain. Is a +11 Scimitar with pain, rC rN and Str +4 better? Yes, a +11 pain scimitar is better than most greatswords, provided you get a few points of Necromancy. (The other add-ons are nice things to have but not what you're going to base weapon decisions on, usually.) That is a strong...

I am not certain. Is a +11 Scimitar with pain, rC rN and Str +4 better? Yes, a +11 pain scimitar is better than most greatswords, provided you get a few points of Necromancy. (The other add-ons are nice things to have but not what you're going to base weapon decisions on, usually.) That is a strong...

How noisy are the rods? I am pretty sure lightning rod is less noisy than lightning bolt, which is pretty counterintuitive (yes I know the spells are not the same).

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