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I think Necromutation is a net benefit overall. You can prepare for a trip to extended by ignoring tmut and necro and raise fighting, dodging, armor, and other defenses and equip items and stack consumables and if possible use some way of rapid regen based on the assumption you will consistently be ...

Regen is especially important in extended areas like Abyss, Pan, Hells, Tomb, and the Orb run. Recovering any missing hp during combat is good when new enemies spawn into your LOS all the time. It's also really nice to be recovering hp a lot when being tormented multiple times and your hp is dipping...

I think spell casting reducing hunger costs scales pretty well by just keeping up spell slots for useful spells.

I don't think it's good, -9 MP is a lot. If it seems like a lot when you're primary offensive spell is 1MP and 3MP wait until you learn venom bolt. At high levels -9MP is even significant at times, but by then you'll likely have found a better ring anyway.

I usually don't make a stash. There's no carry weight limit or item destruction and you can Ctrl-f things you only maybe need later.

OK. Then enjoy the rest of your day.

Yes the vast majority of Trog wins are probably Berserkers because Be is a very strong start and Be is also a very popular start. This has literally nothing to do with the desirability of Trog for other backgrounds. When you play a Fi or an As or an Ar and you find an early Trog altar do you really...

Sar wrote:
dirtywick wrote:You don't take Trog, you start with Trog.

And that's a wrong statement. I'm sure Berder can whip up some stats on how many non-Be chars won with Trog.

Perhaps. I would assume a vast majority of Trog wins are from a Be, but I could be wrong about that. If so I'll concede my argument.

Your argument seems to be that Kiku is a comparable early game choice than Trog in cases when you're intentionally taking Trog later because you're sick of playing DDBe all the time. My argument is that people who play Trog play Be and that you need to compare Kiku to Trog in a context that applies ...

Sar wrote:You'd also be better off starting as a DD.

In fact, there is literally no reason playing anything that is not DDBe.

Why are we even discussing this shit? You play DDBe. Then you play DDBe. Then you play DDBe. Have to be an idiot to play anything else.

Calm down. All I did was disagree with you.

You'd be better off starting as Be and training those relevant skills instead.

I'm pretty sure you can take Trog though. Really late edit: and yes, I obviously did not imply that going Kiku is stronger than picking Be on the background choice screen, or even that Kiku is better than Trog regardless of character in question and altar spawn depths. That would be dumb even by my...

You don't take Trog, you start with Trog. You're comparing a D1 berserk and a lair 1 +8 vamp greatsword to a D7 AS or even worse a D7 pain and a Lair 8 AD.

The guide is a character walk through for a GrEE of Veh that uses M&F. It's actually a "caster walk-through", made with the intention of helping a new player win their first "caster", and it makes the point of explaining in detail why it picks Gr, EE and, eventually, Veh. I ...

You don't start the game as a GrEE of Veh (which also uses Maces and Flails). You start the game as a GrEE of blank, you explore Dungeon, you find altars of gods which might be fitting your combination (or not!). Considering the general difficulty of the early game and how getting a god early might...

I don't think it's fair to criticize a guide on how to win as a GrEE of Veh for not including information outside of it's scope. I also don't think it's fair to criticize a guide for not being exhaustive in covering all potential options within the scope of the guide. A guide with mostly accurate in...

My tips on not dying are to establish a core and then supplement the core. Learning positioning, when to use consumables, how strong your character is relative to the monster you're about to fight, and when to retreat are very important too but you're only going to learn that by practice and experie...

If you find a quick blade later it doesn't take much later in the game to invest in SB to min delay. Not "wasting" skill experience really only applies to the early game where a few levels of a skill when you have almost no skills levels in anything are crucial to survival. Switching to a ...

Obviously buy the poncho. It is better than that scale mail.

What you do when you fight a dangerous monster is the distinction that matters when separating a caster from a melee oriented character. A caster and a melee dude can both tab through orc, but it doesn't play the same when you're character is actually in danger. Picking up a weapon and investing the...

V5 is not that hard if you can handle depths:5. Pandemonium is much more dangerous, what with tormenters, fiends, panlords, and hell sentinels. 1's are extremely rare in pan (other than executioners on Gloorx's floor). Fiends aren't even that common in hell. Occasionally spawn from hell effects, bu...

I'm taking about Berder post, I don't think he meant D:1 ogres, ice beasts etc. My point is if I cannot kill a Kobold, how am I going to kill Ogre etc.? Do you train Evocations? Having trouble with a Kobold one time doesn't mean you can't fight an Ogre four floors down. I mean, you can often no ski...

Wands and evocables also solve some of the tm problems, namely the danger of fighting a hydra with blade hands. I also like to choose a god that allows you to summon some allies early to take some heat off of you until your defenses are established; a UC character fighting in a robe has a pretty tou...

The synthetic (they aren't fake - they are real) diamonds they are capable of making are very tiny and are generally best used for industrial purposes. For example, diamond dust coating on drills - the drill your dentist uses on your teeth is cutting you with diamonds. I believe they're also capabl...

Pan is kind of a tab fest and Hells is just running past everything, so it's easy to get careless if you save Zot for last.

To be fair, firestorm being 8d20 is only 80 average damage. If we assume you have rF+, and I'm remembering correctly that firestorm was 45% unresistable, you would take 67.5% damage, or 54 damage, with 0 ac. With 20 ac you'd take 40.5 damage. Granted this is an average so it could go up to 80, But ...

Blink + a sling + oka should get you through most of the game.

damiac wrote:I think that's the truth. Someone gives specific advice to someone in some situation, and then people keep repeating it and turning into an absolute.

Which then turns most advice into skipping most of the content of the game.

As movement only reveals a handful of tiles and tele potentially many more I assume it will reduce time spent in the Abyss.

That's great. What do you think?

duvessa wrote:You might understand crate's post better if you read more than the first 15 words.

It doesn't match my experience with the game.

re: running out of consumables: I have never personally run out of any specific consumable in a fight without ALSO running out of said consumable in the entire game--except for situations where I knew full well I'd e.g. used my last heal wounds potion in my inventory, but I was too lazy to immediat...

I guess my confusion is what problem you think is being solved by having stairs? I don't think we're talking about the same thing.

I don't think a bad situation is necessarily limited to one fight. For example, getting shafted, uncontrolled tele, abyssed, etc.

That's correct. Getting into a possibly deadly situation is much more difficult if you have every (notable) item generated in the dungeon in your inventory.

Item destruction was not fun for players, so even if it allows for more depth to gameplay that doesn't matter, since the fact that it was no fun greatly outweighed any gains from it existing. The vast majority of the playerbase agrees with this. I think players are missing the forest for the trees....

I agree, there's probably enough gold just in the end of tomb to do that. Plus it's not like you need it for Zig entry either anymore. Although I prefer TSO in Pan/tomb because healing on kills is really useful for recovering from torment. I think last time I did this I did Oka for lair branches, va...

Huff gasoline.

I don't think anything in Elf individually is particularly difficult.

With the changes to enemy summons disappearing with the caster's death Elf isn't even that bad.

Helmet, shield, gloves, and cloak could all possibly get minor upgrades.

LCS is the best of the three IMO.

Am I having a stroke? What is going on here?

A draconian with ozo's armor is slightly squishier in melee than his AC might suggest, if you're used to similar AC characters who are wearing armor. That's the biggest impact you'll ever notice of GDR. It's still not terribly significant, I think when we were looking at the differences in FSIM it ...

Mak for hp on kills is good so you can keep moving without resting. Nemelex might be helpful also and you'd get full piety extremely tediously but quickly, but decks are a lot more abuseable before extended for a gh.

Well, I did expressly say ignoring XP. Its simply true that after investing an absurd amount into UC, even no-claws UC beats all other non-artifact weapons (barring, say, holy wrath vs demons and dragon-slaying vs dragons). With claws, the difference gets even larger. I am curious as to how much la...

Continue to play as you normally would I think. Being a floor, or several, down isn't a death sentence.

So the conclusion I am reaching here is that if you have problems with ghost moths you're bad at the game.

Abominae wrote:I would not use DE (a decidedly niche race) as an example for your argument. It would be much more convincing to use a species that actually attempts to function like most other species in Crawl.

I don't know they're pretty popular.

Enchant armor depends I think. A point of AC is the same wherever it comes from so you should use it on things that you are less likely to replace later. If you're wearing a robe or light armor and don't have MDA then I'd use it on aux slots starting with something with a brand other than a cloak. R...

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