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Thats not me whos proposing that and im against that idea. I am lost again. What is your proposal exactly? Can I put 3 mastery points into Bolt of Fire to have it cost 3 MP and 6 mastery point into Fire Storm to have it cost 3 MP too? I think we cannot compare "spamming" 9 MP level 9 spel...

and into wrote:The other is, don't use bend space when surrounded by neutral abyss monsters.

Why? I remember using it, no god wrath and no angry monsters triggered. Am I missing something?

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I am also pretty sure that I haven't died to either of those monsters in many years. So I am quite confident that those resistances aren't that important against those monsters. Lucky you. I remember being one-shot by Ogre Magi with Bolt of Lightning (it got bounced off the wall and monster spells ...

It's half a turn... I've been banished while swapping to MR ring so I can easily imagine getting hit with elemental attack while swapping. 0.5 turn is 71% of time it takes you to attack usually. Also see "can't" because you cannot swap if you can have either rF+ or rC+ (but not both) and ...

that's the only situation where "more damage" might help (ignoring SH here for a second)? This would only be true if Crawl was a series of one on one cage-matches against foes, but often, one fights multiple foes. Exactly, that's why extra resistances shine in Vaults 5 with all those Tita...

Can we please stop discussing other games in the thread please?

I think people would just swap rings two times, carrying x2 amount of those jewelry. ...Or would never use them. Some lazy players may do that instead, having resistances from aux and body or insane randarts. I think you cannot assume that player always faces just a single type of elemental attack....

For the record I believe the suggested change can result in less swaps when you have just a single source of rF+/rC+ because suggested 25% damage reduction is less valuable than current 50% damage reduction.

4Hooves2Appendages wrote:Ah, is it time for a mandatory unique fake language for each species, gently modified by backgrounds?

Fortunately it won't happen with non-English versions, you cannot use a single word as subject, verb and adjective in many languages.

Of course you didn't reach 27 spellcasting, it wouldn't allow you to spam level 9 spells in that version so it had very low priority.
Also you don't need 27 spellcasting, level 9 spell costing 4 MP (spellcasting 15 is even a bit low for level 9 spell) is already OP.

CypherZel wrote:And this annoys me because it feels like there's goals trying to be balanced at once and players who actually play the other 80% of the game get shafted

I agree with you but it has been discussed many times, devs like shafts because they believe it makes games more interesting.

I entirely agree that damage output is vastly overrated particularly since you can apport most runes anyway. One of the few exceptions I have are Orbs of fire. The new no rMut really makes you consider killing those guys as quick as possible. There are so many god awful muts to have on an orb run (...

I agree with the statement that it was a bad argument but I still feel as though the nerf was just put in to add difficulty but there was no flavour link between the God and the nerf. I also feel that the nerf wasn't needed because hep was never considered too strong by most players and there are o...

Richard Feynman wrote:I think I can safely say that nobody understands quantum mechanics.

Currently accepted theory is that our universe is infinite and there can be infinite number of such universes, each of them was born as quantum effect.
Don't even try to imagine that, our brain can't.

dynast wrote:You will be able to spam A lvl 9 spell, yes.

dynast wrote:I dont think its overpowered

Ok.

According to FSIM a single +3 slaying ring will often times do more damage than the offhand punch (which makes since but it appears offhand does slightly better for really low EV monsters). It is about equal on stone giants and almost anything with more EV the ring is more effective. Rings of slayi...

I don't remember ever swapping rF for orc sorcerer or any resistance except MR for ogre magi so they can't be that important. It is not a valid argument IMHO. Compare "I don't remember ever swapping rF for orb of fire so they can't be that important" to "I don't remember ever swappin...

Current damage reduction for rF+/rF++/rF+++ is 50%/67%/80%, that makes first pip extremely important (ring of Robustness is often less valuable vs corresponding attack) while second pip does not help much and third pip is almost insignificant even vs the scariest attacks. I suggest to change those v...

Don't remember that specific game. It could be, but actually I'm 99,8% positive It depends on the fact I play recklessly by Lair and use just tab, without caring too much of positioning, resistances, abilities and whatever. If you go watch those games I'm pretty sure I had !resistance, probably the...

dowan wrote:Well OP is a flimsy race so you play slower and rest more. If you're casting spells on top of that you're going to run into food issues.

Yes, Gozag is not fun because it punishes optimal play and unlike Chei it is not guaranteed to make you any stronger.

I give up. I don't have enough to back my claim. You guys are right resistances are fine and you shouldn't bother or worry about them much. Mercy. Don't give up, I am with you :) I am using warlock's mirror as DgTm (not even Troll) because when I don't have Blade Hands/Dragon Form active, I do want...

Congrats. Train more Fighting, your problems were caused by too low HP.

TrBe was very easy in gnollcrawl too. With intrinsic gourmand you can berserk whenever you want and you can fully explore all floors because you don't need luck with good play (pack splitting, luring, pillar dancing and stairdancing). Unfortunately gnollcrawl is long and repetitive so optimal play i...

agentgt wrote:http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/agentgt/morgue-agentgt-20160822-235546.txt

Sorry about the loss but why do you have 113 HP as XL 27 Human with 26 levels in Fighting? It's more like Frail 5 (249*0.5=124), not Frail 1 the morgue lists.

Edit. Oh, it's Born, casted 9 times.

Vehumet had 1 MP cost reduction for conj-like spells and it was removed...

Formicid is a good race for fighter background since you don't need to think about "will I use 2handed weapon or a shield" and you can often fight 1 on 1 (where shield is optimal) due to digging ability.

I prefer paralysis vs dangerous monsters like Sonja with dagger of chaos/distortion (paralysis lasted up to 100 turns until recent commit), enslavement vs melee brutes like Orc Warrior or Hill Giant, confusion when I am a stabber or the target is near water/lava.

HP/speed difference between species becomes even more important as game progresses.

jwoodward48ss wrote:HP isn't everything...

Right, HP + speed is everything. You cannot die on D1 as Tr/Og/Ce/DD/HO/Mi/Dg/Dr/Gh/Sp/Fe as melee background unless you literally have no room to run to.

Edit. I wouldn't train Charms. Get more Fighting/LBl first IMHO. Also enchant aux armour.

Rast wrote:Halfling is one of the easier races, and Fighter is a good background.

Really? I believe it is inferior to all races without HP penalty (except Mu) and to some races with HP penalty (Sp, VS)

Maybe I misunderstood your suggestion. Your idea is to have level 9 spell cost 0 MP with 27 spellcasting, right?

I don't like Fedhas for casters. They don't have problems with early game, they have problems in Lair branches, where mushrooms don't help much. Also having permanent stationary allies makes retreating to restore MP a bad idea. Kiku is fine but it means you must train Necromancy which is boring when...

Also don't forget to try different body armours. I suspect a ring mail can be better because of Ha size.

This is overpowered. Maybe get a special bonus for first skill you reach 27 levels in? Something like rF+/rC+ for Fire/Ice, AC+3 for Earth, intrinsic RMsl for Air, +1 base damage for weapon, +5% HP for Fighting, +3 AC for Armour, +3 EV for Dodging, a rod for Evocations, Camouflage mutation for Steal...

Veh is the best god for pure caster indeed. It's just pure caster being inferior to hybrid.

I would pick Veh for GrEE.

I would use dagger of venom, train SBl only for a while and join either Trog or Oka for ammo gifts (sling bullets and needles).

I like GhMo of Makhleb as fighter. Immunity to poison, claws, healing with chunks, easy choice with body armour since you don't want spells for a long time, divine healing (you can even summon hostile Neqoxec and be fine because you cannot mutate). It is optimal to hybridize with casters, meaning ge...

Idk what are you guys on about but what i meant is how it currently works with summons or collateral damage, if you dagger a troll to nearly death swapping to another weapon to finish him off that dagger exp is wasted on nothing, as if the troll was sitting on fire from a vehumet altar or something...

A wand's spell power equals 15+2.5×Evocations, though this is still limited by the spell power caps for the spell cast http://crawl.chaosforge.org/Wands Skill points: 1 50 10 2,800 19 12,300 2 150 11 3,450 20 13,950 3 300 12 4,200 21 15,750 4 500 13 5,050 22 17,700 5 750 14 6,000 23 19,800 6 1,050 ...

I assume he meant if you did 50% of the trolls life with your dagger, and 50% with your sword, you'd get 50% of a troll's XP toward your dagger skill, and 50% toward your sword skill. The infinite melee with a dagger problem is present in most systems like that though. It certainly exists in the el...

But some of the damage you did with a weapon should go to that weapon skill, and no, there would be no such thing as swapping a weapon to finish off a foe to get all the exp to that weapon. It does not help. You may want to infinitely melee a Troll with dagger if you don't need to kill monsters to ...

No.
http://crawl.chaosforge.org/Stealth#Negative_Factors
https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/e0b ... r.cc#L3218

I am lost, are we talking about rational vs irrational numbers or what?

Current mechanic is the best. Making it more realistic would result in bad gameplay where you would need to stop attacking monster with melee and finish it with wand to get Evocations trained or equip buckler before the kill.

We need a new god who can combine species in a random way. Tiny size Tr with Sp speed, Op with Te bonus for flying, Hu with Fe lives etc.

I am pretty sure you cannot train Conjurations without corresponding spells memorized in last stable (0.18.1). If it was changed in trunk, I hope it requires pressing * first in m screen.

Your linked example has you surviving on a 34% chance against prince ribbit, after successfully charming a wyvern, orc warrior, and centaur. While a nice survival, you simply got lucky, so I don't see how that shows ARs being a good background. With a lot of backgrounds I could win against that sit...

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I don't want to go back to an old version. So I'll just have to wait for their reintroduction to Crawl :) I am sure you have much patience ;) I'm still nothing, because all games are offline. No, you are great player. Even if some players disagree, you should not care, you know you have not cheated...

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