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minmay wrote:Being two versions behind is just plain wrong.

Is it my fault that CDO is stuck to 0.10?

minmay wrote:Being able to train Armour skill is not tied to items in your possession at all. You can train it if your species has a body armour slot, otherwise you can't.

That is just plain wrong, at least for 0.10. A MiMo cannot train armour when you start a game while a MiFi can.

dpeg wrote:The vault can only come up in D:18-26, Lair, Snake, Elf and by this time the player will have tools to deal with it.

Sure, by the time you reach the Lair _everybody_ can have tools to deal with two Oklob plants in _every_ game. Do you actually believe that bullshit yourself? :roll:

I am new to fighter characters. How were you able to spam haste? Were you using Okawaru? But you mentioned you changed to Zin. Or were you able to cast it ?[/quote I simply had found a wand of hasting, some potions and a dozen scrolls of recharging. Actually I had to recharge the wand with only two...

Aha.

Still I'm confused about what you need to minimize attack delay with slings/bows/crossbows. You said it depends on stats (slings=dex, crossbows=str, bows=both). So skill plays no role it it, or how does that come into play? How much Str do you need for a crossbow in order to reach min delay?

Okay, the beginning is an important part of the game, but what good are crossbows for if you run out of ammo on D:3? And if the're only good for getting started and at low skill levels, what is the point on training the crossbow skill?

In other words: crossbows are really inferior to bows in all respects. I wonder why there's a crossbow skill and that weapon at all if using it is a mistake. It's not even a weapon _class_.

Repeat command doesnt seem to work in macros and I don't know why. Huh? I use it all the time for movement, and it works fine (but spams the text window with the questions for the number of repetitions). However, I have to use raw macros; normal macros don't work for that (I think because a normal ...

You mean bows get _two_ bonuses, one from Dex and one from Str?

~M<macro-key>025<return>

Note that to get a rest of 50 turns I have to repeat the command 25 times (locally, 0.10). No idea why.

Has anybody tried that with crossbows? Is there enough crossbow ammo at all for the whole game unless you worship Okawaru? I'd like to try a demigod with crossbows, as ranged combat seems to profit nicely from high stats, and there's only one species with +2 aptitude for crossbows (kobolds) and a co...

That's exactly what happened to me all the time when I was looking for gold dragon armour. I always ended up being ambushed and killed by packs of monsters with ranged attacks in open terrain. With the plate mail, although I took more damage _in_ melee, I often took far less damage _before_ melee. A...

I can't find any information on how a buckler/shield/large shield affects ranged combat with crossbows and slings. The game says that crossbows and slings are 1.5-handed, and when you wield one along with a shield is says something like "your shield considerably slows your rate of fire". S...

Don't use deep stacks. You have to put out stacks of, maybe 5 items deep. They don't search stacks deeper than 5 items. Spread out a huge hallway in Lair and filter them through it. It sucks, but that's what happens. ! So that's why I constantly "lose" items and cannot find them anymore.

Two small comments: 1) [color=#0000FF]The idea of mating caused a controversy. I have been thinking about this for a while, and talked to people. Potential modifications: I find the whole idea _extremely_ disgusting, even if crawl is only a game (and that does not have anything to do with morals, ju...

Thanks for all the good advice, folks. Although this character never found a wand of healing, was always short of potions of heal wounds, did not find an amulet of resist mutation and amassed about fifteen to twenty bad mutations (including HP-30% and slow healing), he was able to tank pandemonium, ...

and with constriction, I found I was losing HP faster than continuously quaffing !heal wounds would work on average. I seemed to be losing over 20 HP per turn, but a bit irregularly (as pointed out by KoboldLord). As far as I understand, constriction damage increases every turn, so once you start q...

But then, vampiric brand does nothing for you in the extended game because pretty much everything is immune, or am I mistaken?

And the axe has a _speed_ brand!

I think I'd still have switched.

rN+ for torment is nice but not all that important, the important thing is to not let everything torment you at once. retreat frequently, pummel tormentors. I played a little further and tried Dis. Due to the lack of gold and chaotic mosters, piety has dropped to ****, resulting in imperfect protec...

Okay, a new character has taken all the advice and has got pretty far until now. Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.10.2-40-g36e0077 character file. Ossuary the Axe Maniac (Minotaur Gladiator) Turns: 109644, Time: 10:50:48 HP 274/274 (276) AC 42 Str 21 XL: 27 MP 38/38 EV 25 Int 7 God: Zin [*****.] G...

Maybe you should switch?

And don't complain, I think I got a full set from Okawaru this game: boots +0, cloak +0, wizard hat +0, gloves +0, leather armour +0.

Why does every monster need a special effect? If there are three very similar monsters that just differ in difficulty, isn't that fine? Removing the weaker variety will make the game harder for low level characters etc.

Deimos wrote:My poor berserkers need to stop trying to berserk them

You berserk packs of blinking monsters? You _really_ need to change that habit.

Code:: the cursed +0,-1 war axe of the Puffball {flame, Int+3}

Okay, the Axe is crap, but the *name*! The Puffball of flaming!

I don't think I'm going to spen 243 gold on it.

Or - maybe for killing Hydras?

No chance, starved to death. A boring beetle spawned on that level in the mean time, but it didn't dig me out, and I had no way of making it aware of me.

This is the vault from variable/float.des: ############################################################################## # Ogre Cave, by Lemuel # NAME: lemuel_ogre_cave ORIENT: float DEPTH: D:9-15, Orc TAGS: no_pool_fixup MONS: ogre, two-headed ogre, ogre mage / Erolcha, plant / fungus MONS: ogre z...

The character was randomly teleported into this vault: stuck.jpg There was Erolcha inside the upper room, many zombies in both rock chambers and a lot of gold in the stone vault. Unfortunately there's no way out, prematurely ending this game by starvation. - No shafts - No secret doors (I've checked...

You've been raising STR, if you were raising DEX you would get better results. I don't really recommend going STR on MiGl. As I said, 30-35 EV is doable in plate, and 17 is pretty low dex for a MiGl so that will be the reason why you don't have that. I've been raising strength because I was hoping ...

Okay, understood. I tried in wizard mode ang get (with maxed skills and Str 27, Dex 17):

EV 26 - plate mail
EV 23 - crystal plate mail
EV 21 - gold dragon armour

Is EV 21 actually high enough to be useful at all?

You say that AC kills EV - this just isn't true. It is easy for minotaurs to get 30+ EV in plate armour, 20+ in heavier armours, and more in lighter dragon armours. I've won more than 10 spellless minotaurs and all of them had pretty good EV. Please enlighten me how you manage that. The current MiG...

Hm, I _try_ to do that, but somehow I always end up in situations where hiding behind a corner is not possible. Hm. -- Giving axes another try I found this on the dungeon floor: +11,+11 morningstar "Eos" {elec, -TELE rElec SInv} Is that a reason to switch from axes (currently 8.6) to M&...

How do you play melee fighters with high AC and a two-handed weapon, like - say - a MiFi? Since AC kills Evasion and the two-handed weapon cannot be used with a shield, aren't these characters pretty much without defense against packs of ranged attackers (centaurs, elves, yaktaurs) and especially ag...

crate wrote:You can't currently access Wenzell's learndb outside of IRC.

Um, if that is true, what does thins link point to?

https://crawl.develz.org/learndb/index.html

mumra wrote:The important thing when brainstorming is to not be sensitive to criticism.

You seem to have no clue of what brainstorming is. The important thing when brainstorming is to collect ideas without criticizing them. It's not about pissing on other people's ideas.

cerebovssquire wrote:Oops. Touche. However, a spellless MuFi really shouldn't be in TLA.

Of course, but that statement needed correction.

Mummy caster of Sif Muna with TLA and two rings of regeneration is way cool. :mrgreen:

cerebovssquire wrote:and Trog is the only source of regeneration available to mummies beside the ring.

My mummies are quite happy wearing troll leather armour. Never had any complaints about their regeneration effect.

Make weapon speed increases linearly from skill 0 to 27 for all weapons. Is that part of a plan to make executioner's axes the only sensible weapon choice for melee characters? :mrgreen: Seriously, with such a change fast, easy to master weapons will get a _huge_ speed penalty until the skill is ma...

Hey, a while ago I thought streaking was _impossible_, and now: 620/621. Ossuary the Politician (L27 SpEn), worshipper of Ashenzari, escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2012-09-13, with 10184404 points after 160531 turns and 20:06:48. 621. Ossuary the Sorcerer (L22 FeWz), worshipper of Sif Muna, es...

snow wrote:I find the scrolls extremely useful and interesting. I got a wand of healing off one in my last game.

And you can even improve your chance to get one by waiting to use the scroll until you have most other wands. Desicions, decisions ...

crate wrote:You can actually, you just have to use *q.

So * can be used instead of ctrl everywhere? Shouldn't that be mentioned in the manual?

danr wrote:What's the point of any of them being mimics if there's no way to get to them anyway?

It's probably a final line of defense just in case a clever or lucky player comes around. Like being lucky when using a hatch ...

TehDruid wrote:
Ossuary wrote:Haha, it could also be a mummy - and on webtiles I can't quit the game...

You can just use control +q, can't you.

No.

Haha, the items _are_ mimics.

NAME: xom_gifts_altar
TAGS: temple_overflow_xom uniq_altar_xom
CHANCE: 3
KFEAT: _ = altar_xom
KPROP: _ = bloody
KPROP: , = no_tele_into
KITEM: , = any mimic
MAP
XXXXXXX
XX,,,,,XX
X,,ooo,,X
X,,o_o,,X
XX,o.o,XX
XXX@XXX
ENDMAP

dpeg wrote:It would be really cool if turning to Xom would open the vault for you.

That wouldn't be cool, that would be un-xomish. Looks like you didn't get the point of that vault.

Haha, it could also be a mummy - and on webtiles I can't quit the game...

It's simply a butchery where cattle is slaughtered and sausage is made. Not more creepy that the spriggan bakery, or is it? *shrug*

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