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lulz, I seriously never knew there was a to hit penalty. I've won around two dozen times, and never noticed. I guess that just really drives your last point home.

I've been considering that combo as well since all my ranged users always end up with slings due to the shield+sling combo and I've been meaning to give crossbows a try. So aside from Str, should I bother putting any points into dexterity at all or just keep pumping str? (And I'm still not sure - d...

Your question really only applies to spellcasters, in which case yes, only wear heavier armor at certain skill levels to keep your spells usable. Armor skill minimizes the EV penalty the armor gives you, it doesn't make attacks less accurate( it does slow them down). Strength and your skill negate t...

IMO Trog is MUCH better than Okawaru for a ranged user because he is much more likely to gift ammo, having his gifts limited to weapons and ammo only. MDHu of Trog was my first ranged win, but a Spriggan Hunter is sick nasty as well (my 2nd ranged win). If you play online trunk, Mountain Dwarf Hunte...

Lucy's got it. A great place to get ammo is the Vault and Elven Halls. You should be able to clear Elves 1-6 around XL 12-14 to have a sweet stack of ammo along with worshiping Trog, who also takes care of the launcher for you. Okawaru is okay, but Trog's gifts are all weapons and ammo. I usually en...

+10, +4 falchion "Daus Bri" (god gift, holy, MR EV+4) on my SPHu.

In case someone doesn't know, the reason this is so sweet is because a falchion is a long blade a Spriggan can use with a buckler. Thank you, Troggy.

Soooo, I've done some retarded stuff in my crawling days but yesterday's death might be the best. Had a XL 23 DSCk going and the poor bugger got banished to the abyss by an elf with distortion ammo. I had a portal out in my LoS and 2 executioners and some other stuff ripped me apart. As I read the m...

After a few tries, I banished the SoB to the abyss with my DSCk of Lugonu. It was incredibly satisfying. I then corrupted the level to rub it in a little, you know, to show everybody that it's my turf now...because I'm vindictive.

Sure has. Its a little better than it used to be (though I do miss DSDk flavor). The slight differences and multiple choices between them mostly impact how your character starts the game, which is an ok problem to have if you ask me. There was a dev discussion I saw talking about removing the redund...

1. Why not just use Slouch. With so many ponderous items, it should finish off anything that blade hands didn't. 2. That late in the game, probably not...others might disagree. 3. Dispel undead and vampiric draining would help you a lot, but its just up to luck to get them. 4. Roll of the dice eithe...

You could also go with a ranged-magic hybrid with your HE's bow aptitude. You start with the teleport projectile spell to increase your accuracy so you don't waste all that precious ammo.

DS of Lugonu. Always.

...but when I melee I usually go CK, so good luck finding an alter haha. Mostly for flavor, but the ability to blink with no spell casting/items is nice.

I'd probably go Okawaru or even Trog

I just like vampires in crawl I guess.

I just tried one on a whim. It was sweet, but I died before I could make it to the can't-find-any-blood endgame which would have crushed me anyway. I see that as much more of an issue than hunger mechanic bonuses.

Where's the Twilight, er, uh...I mean Vampire love? Solid apts and they get fangs 3 and never have to eat. I'm also a big fan of innate see invisible.

Last I heard, Ash is getting nerfed as far as the +experience goes, so take that as you will. A better god may be Okawaru or Nemelex...maybe Trog but I hate his random gifts :roll: . About invisibility: in mid-late game, most things that are really dangerous can see invisible. So that's not a good c...

Demonic Guardian is pretty ridiculous at 3, especially if paired with Makhleb's greater servants. Cadre of badass summons without the need for spellcasting or summoning skill? Yes, please. PbD works well even without kiku. Post-endgame kiku would probably be needed for it to be any use (kinda like t...

I think it was more a comment someone made about SPBe not being a game recommended class, which for a spriggan, they should all be recommended.

Yesterday the demonspawn CK I've been working on was sent there by my stupidly miscasting a lvl 7 translocation spell with 1 skill (yeah, I know). "Damn it" I thought, so I rolled up my sleeves, hunkered down, and got medieval on some demon ass knowing it was the end. Went from level 13->1...

A spriggan anything is pretty great if you ask me. I won with a spriggy crusader over the weekend which was a fine showing of royal dungeon beatdown, my easiest melee win by a long shot...there isn't anything the little buggers can't do.

The game thought you needed to lose...that simple. I lost a DESu much the same way about two weeks ago.

Condolences, bro.

Well with 1) and 3) couldn't you then just make a Conjurer and a Transmuter instead of going at it at this roundabout way? lol, no kidding. For #2, just make a Crusader or Reaver. Crusader starts with better brands than the lame poison one or you get nice defense spells for an Ice Reaver. Picking a...

As far as i understand it, unless you are a spellcaster the points you put into attributes (other than STR for carrying capacity) are largely arbitrary any way you go.

No matter what, at some point your TOS worshiper will find the Necronomicon on the floor.

SPBe seem to be flavour of the month. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't a SPCu be better in just about every way? They even get the 'zerker rage spell from their starter book. I also prefer the summons of Makhleb to Trog's.

Unless you just find a really awesome artifact 2-hander, I would say no.

same here...but I guess the brand and another +50% would be a little much.

Its been a loooong time since I've messed with any kind of archer build. I currently have a MDHu at level 12, using crossbows, heavy armor. I have just found a crossbow of flame, and have both regular and steel bolts. The steel bolts don't seem to get the flaming damage effect from what I've seen, b...

I currently have a level 22 VpAs running. After the first 6-8 levels its on par with an enchanter in terms of stabbing capability with it's extreme stealth. I cleared out entire floors of the elven halls at level 12 or so without casting any of the usual pro-stabbing spells (thanks to boots of steal...

/signed About 2-3 weeks ago I lost a level 27 summoner going for the orb...I was sooooo pissed off. Things like hydras give me the most problems, since they can "one shot" (kill in one turn from their # of attacks) most summons you have by the time you start seeing them-unless you just get...

I've got a pretty good one:

I had a level 18 summoner die on D:6 or so from screwing around and abandoning a god (don't remember which one really) and it left a ghost. As soon as it got me in LOS there were demons and elementals everywhere

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Don't die where your lowbies play.

lucy_ferre wrote:Yes. All of my spell casters use a shield of some sort. Usually a buckler. The extra defense outweighs the minor casting penalty.

Ditto. using a nice buckler is more than worth the negligible penalty to spell casting.

On my current game I just found a Bullseye (+15 shield) for my fire DECj 8-)

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Using a weapon might be a better choice in the long run since trolls don't get many equipment slots. That is a sweet mace for a level 7 character :shock:

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I would progress him as mainly a melee build with some spell casting as backup.

I was advised to switch to VM from Cj on IRC one and I must say -- poison + Meptic Cloud are great. What else should I try? I just meant try a different race for VM, not to stop using it (its by far my favorite background). Poison spells lack direct damage punch and rely on the poison effect to kil...

1: Okawaru will give you weapon/armor gifts, but Nemelex Xobeh might help you more in the long run 2: Stabbing, fighting, stealth for sure. Short Blades is iffy. The rest aren't so important if you're going the stabby route. 3: You're right on the rings. 4: Dagger of electrocution can hurt you if yo...

like szanth and dpc said, you just have to get lucky most of the time-especially on a glass cannon race like deep elves. My experience has been that if I don't find a sweet randart, spellbooks or good shop(s) on the first 6-7 dungeon levels my likelihood of winning plummets. edit: oh and my high elf...

Ashenzari needs to take a tour of the Nerf Incorporated building :lol:

. I'm pretty sure most race/background combos would be monsters with that crazy experience boost.

DDNe is just nasty. It has my vote for you to try if you've never won. I'd also recommend a DD Hunter of Makhleb. Maybe try a High Elf Hunter (cliche combo, I know). Only my second win so I was still kind a noob and I pulled out a "W" after 3-4 tries. Melee everything early game and use yo...

Damn, I hate Mara so much :lol:. I would say fire magic is much more useful than ice to a Venom Mage. Most of what resists poison also resists ice spells, so in my experience fire is the better gap-filler. I've also had some sweet runs as with poison/necromancy combo if you have the spellbooks (but ...

I never play the monster types, and the only undead I've used is vampire. And of course, no icky humans. I haven't tried Vampires either. It looks too complicated to be any fun for me. Think of it like this: It's basically a stealthy, poison/cold/negative/mutation resistant, no spell hunger Deep Dwa...

spriggans -> Venom Mage that can kite with no buffs is a roflstomp. You can use the starter poison spell and a backup like magic dart for half the game. 5 wins with it 8-) . Which God did you go with? uhhh (looks up names on wiki)... Vehumet for a couple. Sif Muna on one win. That one was OK, but V...

spirggan venom mage for me. just posted this in the character builds section... spriggans -> Venom Mage that can kite with no buffs is a roflstomp. You can use the starter poison spell and a backup like magic dart for half the game. 5 wins with it 8-) . As far as progression goes, turn off all skill...

It seems like it to me. The current state of the game really caters to their aptitudes and abilities. Any way of kiting (be it racial ability or from a spell like swiftness) will get you out of a bad situation 95% of the time, and spriggans do it for nothing. Win. Ive made tons of deep elf casters a...

spriggans -> Venom Mage that can kite with no buffs is a roflstomp. You can use the starter poison spell and a backup like magic dart for half the game. 5 wins with it 8-)

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