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ajon wrote:have skill in throwing too?

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I'm at XL 15 and I've gotten tons of throwables and not a needle yet. Perhaps Stealth or trwowing actions vs. Blowgun actions are taken into account?

Here is my progress thus far. I've finished Lair 8 and am looking for the Orcish Mines. Nothing in Lair felt dangerous (is it bad karma to say that?). Now that I know what Snakebite really is, I'll be using it more especially in Orc and Elf. I'm carrying the +3 shield around because if I get Abyssed...

The RNG has given me an abundance of nice M&Fs: the +9 flail "Neustr Oske" {flame, rElec rF- rN+ Str+3 Dex+3} (I have a ring rF to go with it) the +8 whip "Snakebite" (weapon) {venom, rPois} a +2 morningstar of protection +2 demon whip of freezing +1 morningstar of freezing T...

Found scrolls of brand weapon and enchant weapon, and then a randart whip. +1 morningstar of freezing vs. +8 whip of venom rPois? I'm going with the whip for now, switching to the morningstar for high AC opponents.

Thanks nago. but still food is really abundant as Sp That was the part that worried me. I'll take your word for it. Besides, berserking doesn't have as much of hunger cost as spellcasting. Plus for a Sp berserking is probably better than most other races. Elaborate please. the only thing that comes ...

try SpBe or SpAs^Trog I have to say I am wary of the hunger clock with SpBe. Same with Sp casters. I just don't have a good handle on how many times I can 'zerk, what hunger cost on a spell is too much, etc. That ignorance breed caution, and satiation becomes yet another consumable I under-use beca...

Here are some situations where I'm not sure what I''ll get. I think the Trog wiki is obsolete, aside from not going into the details I'm curious about, because it suggests that ammo gifts start at skill 8, but I've gotten tomahawks from him in 0.16.1 with Throwing 1.5 or so. ⋅ If you have ...

I've found a shield on D:3 and a morningstar on D:6, and I also have a giant club I lifted off an ogre. I think I want to spend my 2 ?EA on my shield and go one-handed for a while. Eventually (I hope there's an eventually) Trog will give me a nice 2-handed mace, but I think the shield helps me stay ...

Sandman25 wrote:Ranged option is not a must for Be (at least in 3 rune games).

Thanks. 3-rune is all I'm shooting for right now. Heck, Lair is all I'm shooting for right now!

Also, MfBe is probably a stronger charater for high EV melee. Yeah I'd narrowed it down to MfBe, OgBe and KoBe. I skipped MfBe because of the three it had the worst ranged option, and OgBe because it had poorer defensive aptitudes than KoBe. But my experience is teaching me that -2 HP is also a poo...

A Be with an AC of 6? Highly unusual. What did you wear, robe? Why not plate? Ring mail and a cloak. At that point I had found no helmet, gloves, boots, or ?EArm, and I think a scale mail was the heaviest body armor I'd found. RNG was giving weapons instead: dagg venom, dagg elec, h sling flame. Th...

I have no idea whether an unseen horror on D:7 is out of depth or not, but I do know I've not encountered that creature before with a character that didn't have at least swappable SInv. At the first "something hits you" I retreated towards stairs because there were no corridors nearby. But...

Am I right that Fedhas is the only god left with praying over corpses for piety?

If I've given a hand to Ru, or if I've invested heavily in the Shields skill, will this affect whether a weapon acquirement is one-handed or two-handed for my species size? The wiki only mentioned weapon acquirement checking your weapon skills, and that acquirements in general are guaranteed to be u...

I find I don't use them even on melee-only characters. When should I?

when do i start training fighting/dodging? Perhaps when you are easily killing nearly everything in sight? Then turn off your offense and turn on your defenses until you start having trouble killing things again, and switch back. During that phase when you are building up your offense at the expens...

The damage distribution of the melee damage formula makes slaying just as important for huge weapons as it is for small weapons, just in different ways. I understand this: For tiny weapons it's important to do actual damage, But I'm not following you here: for large weapons it's important to actual...

Um, those formulas aren't accurate. Thanks, I appreciate it. So the things wrong with your formulas: 1. Stones get half bonus from throwing skill. 2. Launchers don't get 1+d(skl)/50 bonus, they get 1+d(skill)/25, for an average of 1+(skill/50) Fixed in the updated table above. 3. Launchers get a en...

Slaying and enchantment are the bundled together, that is, enchantment IS slaying. The net effect in the damage calculation to add on average slaying/2 damage, this extra damage not being multiplied by the skill or fighting multipliers. This additive nature of slaying damage is why enchantment is le...

UPDATE: edited to reflect Siegurt's corrections below. Fighting, Strength-weighting, and slaying bonuses are not included. Here are skill-adjusted damage per aut for the various ranged weapons in 16.0.1. For Throwing, this is d(base+skl)/spd, for launchers this is d(base)*(1+d(skl)/25)/spd. Skl Sto ...

This newish player, with many Lair or mid-Dungeon deaths and two wins (MiBe and GrEE) that feel like I accidentally broke through the XL20 glass ceiling, appreciates that the Lair branches are predictable. They, and Lair itself, serve as a benchmark for me that are relatively constant from game to g...

But be aware that short blades are generally not sufficient to handle all enemies. ... You will need a backup plan for tough enemies ... I'm not good enough to know this from experience, but my speculation has been that the cross-training the Short Blades gives to Long Blades leans one towards cons...

Over in the game design Discussion forum there's a thread about whether Beogh needs to be buffed or not. That's not what I'm writing here about. Instead I'd like to learn how to do queries such as this one: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=15486&p=212746&hilit=beogh#p2...

does Throwing now get the skill level added to the base damage before rolling the die, vs. melee where one rolls the die and then multiplies the base damage die result by a 1+dSkill/50 multiplier? If so that would surely explain why it can deal so much damage with high skill as Siegurt suggested.

As I understand it with Throwing the delay is always 1.0. This is faster than other ranged weapons at low skill (you do get the skill damage multiplier, skill just doesn't reduce attack delay). Bows and Slings, at medium skill, are faster than Throwing. Crossbows, with high skill, are as fast as Thr...

Thx for the advice!! , I think I'm in the wrong section of the forum, since it is not so much a tip about playing wizards , which seek, but rather to know why there is so much difference in difficulty between these two types of games (Melee, Caster) if we could move it to Game Design discucion , I ...

I've had a similar learning experience. I've won two games: one a Minotaur Berserker, and one a Gargoyle Earth Elementalist. Both of these are high AC characters; one is melee-oriented and one is conjurations-oriented. I am playing more fragile characters nowadays and am indeed dying more. Here thou...

I noticed that Warpers start with really bad DEX. I figure I'll be training Armour instead of Dodge anyway, and only one of them because of poor aptitudes, so this is a problem.

In 0.16.1 ranged weapons have all the damage intrinsic to the launcher; missiles affect brand only, if they have one. Shortbows are base damage 9, base speed 13, identical to a trident. Longbows are 15/17, identical to a battleaxe. A trident is a gladiator-level starting weapon, so I suppose that is...

When playing a centaur and wanted to end up with Bows as one's main weapon, which is the best background to start in? Here are three possibilities I've thought of, and I'd appreciate your comments. Each of these is a recommended combo, both from the species perspective and from the background perspe...

I found this via search and it is exactly what I wanted to ask myself. I know I can right-click, but glancing is quicker.

Rod of Shadows and Qazlal don't play well together: "Your orc is consumed in roaring flame!"

I just bypassed Learny with that character. I'd appreciate some how-to on this, since I've considered it and have even practiced various methods on mundane hydra in Swamp. I wasn't going to burn a !Haste or !Flight potion on a practice session, but it seems that one really does need those to pull i...

nilsbloodaxe wrote:All you need to do is not go to Swamp:5 and go to Vaults first and get a few rocks from cyclops and stone giants, then Learny is easy.

I do have the rune from Spider, so I could do this.

Or just use large rocks to kill hydra! I have 9 of them on my current TrMo^Qaz, and I find I'm using all of them and finishing the hydra off with tomahawks (Throwing 9.6). I also don't use a large rock when the hydra is standing in deep water. I've been quite disappointed with the piety cost of Qaz...

I noticed that tree form increases UC damage even above troll claws and increases AC and GDR. Not only that, but I confirmed in wizard mode that it melds claws, so you are punching not slicing and the number of heads does not grow. I think I can trust a dumb hydra to stay in melee range until dead i...

Okay I found a chance to get on wizard mode, 0.16.1. Speeds and to-hit are unchanged from 0.15 (i.e. the wiki). Stone: 2 Tomahawk: 6 Javelin: 10 Large Rock: 20 Hunting Sling: 7/9 Great Sling: 10/12 Shortbow: 9 Longbow: 15 Hand Crossbow: 12 Arbalest: 18 Triple Crossbow: 22 Did any melee weapon stats ...

Yes, 0.16. I'd be curious to find the updated weapon data for 0.16, since the wiki has 0.15 data still. I've looked through the changelog and dev blog since you replied. Of course I can start a game in wizard mode and get them that way, but it would be time-consuming!

I am trying to figure out how damage is calculated for ranged combat. The wiki isn't clear, and I've looked in learndb but I'm not that skilled at searching it yet. What I've settled on from the various clues I've found is the following: 1. Total damage is the base damage of the launcher plus the da...

I'm playing Crawl again after several months off. Previously after my first MiBe win I asked on the advice This time I found Majang's Caster Walk-Through for GrEE on the Wiki after a few brief forays into the dungeon. In this game I pretty much followed his advice to the T. I ascended my third attem...

Thanks all. I have found that early on I need something besides just conjurations to keep me alive since it just takes one fight where I run out of MP and have no other options to do me in. I can and do avoid fights, but sometimes a few bad damage rolls in a row are enough to put me in a bad situati...

As a beginning player, what should I do when the altar I want is late in coming? For instance, my most recent DrCj died godless on DL 9 looking for Vehumet's altar, the last un-discovered one. I was aiming for Vehumet because that had been suggested to me as a good beginner's combo, but in the games...

Well RIP the latest DrCj^Veh. An acid blob by the Slime entrance absolutely clobbered me. Don't feel too bad, it is extremely dangerous monster. Just make sure there are no blink scrolls in your inventory and you are waiting for teleport hasted and quaffing heal wounds when dying. No ?tele or Blink...

Well RIP the latest DrCj^Veh. An acid blob by the Slime entrance absolutely clobbered me.

Thanks for the advice everyone. I've gotten two DrCj^Veh to Lair thus far and am certainly feeling more comfortable with the build the second time around there. (I chose DrCj after Sandman's initial comments and before the thread blew up BTW.) My first lair splat is directly due to MiBe "mis-tr...

There are few lessons to learn about being a conjurations-heavy character, but the most important one is managing how many monsters are aware of you at the same time. Yes, that is a succinct way of describing nearly all my caster deaths thus far. Well, except for the kobold with the short sword of ...

Keep in mind that the question at hand isn't "what spell-casting character do you like playing because you think it kicks ass," but rather, "what spell-casting character will teach me lessons about Crawl so that I can become successful." I'd like to second this! And to go furthe...

Sandman25 wrote:DrCj of Vehumet.

Why, exactly? What skills will this build teach me that I should aim to learn from the expereince?

I dabbled in Crawl a couple years ago, and then came back to it this summer. I played some SpEn with middling success, and then rediscovered the Tavern. I read Patashu's guide in the "Any tips on these class combinations" thread and was struck by this section: I also think that your first ...

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