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I had to take a couple weeks off because work got crazy busy, but now this character has 2 runes and has finished Elf:3. There was a lot of good loot there and I'm not sure what combination I should go with. Shield: +6 Large Shield of Ignorance (rN+, AC+2, EV+2, Int-6, Curse) vs. +2 Shield of Resist...

Pollen_Golem wrote:So with Oka, that blowgun+IP trick actually might last forever. Has anybody tried it?

Noob question, this wouldn't work on an rPois monster because the needle would have no effect, correct?

I kept using the move keys long after I learned about Tab and have only recently come to appreciate the latter's benefits. When mashing move keys to attack you can accidentally waste a turn moving when Tab usually wouldn't do anything.

generally troll should select unarmed, and ogre should select GSC. but, GSC troll or unarmed ogre is viable. IMO melee dmg comparison at skill27(not tested at wizmode, so maybe include mistakes) Dragon troll = Dragon ogre > Blade Troll = Blade Ogre >= Statue Troll (no shield)> Statue Ogre(no shield...

le_nerd wrote:(Lair 8 has either one you should be able to take (the one at the beginning of the worm-vault, behind a bush) or one with windows to see the monsters inside)...

This one must be the worm vault, there are no windows and I remember wondering at the proliferation of worms.

I'm curious what players' rules of thumb are for deciding when it is a good risk to open a runed door. My current HOAK about to enter Orc found one on Lair 8. I'm guessing I don't want to open that until at least after I've gotten my first rune. I don't have a good feel for how often runed doors hav...

Maybe just armor that has a Faith ego and works like the amulet?

ThreeInvisibleDucks wrote:Also axes seem to be quite fun. Taking on packs of monsters is quite different from the usual optimal strategy of trying to fight everybody 1-on-1. I wonder if this is what eventually leads to not being alive.

Yes.

I'd be interested in a nerfed pan lord that's completely randomized but on a lower difficulty level to be encountered earlier e.g. Elf or Lair Branches.

It's a shame there's no falchion-tier quarterstaff so that more backgrounds could start with them.

I appreciate your advocacy for the vampiric war axe, Sandman. I found three scrolls for it in lower Lair and now it is doing quite well for me. Your comparison with a demon whip did the trick.

I decided to distort the quick blade. I looked at auts per banish/t'port (assuming no misses) and the advantage of speed 3 over speed 7 outweighed the cleave. I would have taken the cleave over a speed 5 weapon, though, since I was already training axes and could have distorted another war axe. On t...

Sandman25 wrote:1. With careful play and high defense [vampiric war axe is] a good weapon for 3 runes.

I wasn't sure 11 was high base damage, but if so I'll reach min delay a lot sooner and can invest more earlier in those defenses. And I'm only after 3 runes, that's true.

Just brand the biggest axe you can. More damage is more damage. Since you are HO you shouldn't be scared of the skill for min delay on a battleaxe at least, or possibly even an exe axe. I don't think your average melee hero wants to use distortion as their main kill things weapon. It's more for thi...

MY HOAK (my first AK character) has had good luck: found an Abyss exit to save piety, plate armor on D:1, flaming hand axe found early, brand weapon on a war axe being vamp. And also the luck of not dying when by all rights I should have. Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.16.1 (tiles) character fil...

it would appear, I believe based on XL but I might be mistaken. I'd expect , but I don't know for sure, that it would be based in Invocations or piety. Dith is ambiguous to me whether he's a god that cares about Invocations or not. The duration of shadow form is the only invocations dependent abili...

Sandman25 wrote:Also note it applies to online play only

Or to your honesty!

edit: https://loom.shalott.org/learndb.html#greatplayers https://loom.shalott.org/learndb.html#greaterplayers https://loom.shalott.org/learndb.html#greatrace Thanks! And lest I be too embarrassed, I did try to search learnDB and I don't know how I didn't find these.

I've seen "greatplayer," "greaterplayer" and IIRC something like "greatrace". What are these, please?

WingedEspeon wrote:a - +8 large shield "Weogreys" {+Blink rElec rPois Str+2}

Whoa!

Mephitic Cloud or Confusion by themselves are good but situational. Having both at your disposal can handle a lot, for few monsters are both rPois and high MR. Not bad for two 3rd level spells. Mephitic Cloud pretty much wrecks Elf3, for instance, especially with a stealthy character like you will h...

So distortion effects from a branded weapon cannot be resisted by any means?

A quokka with rakshasha-style cloning would hit the design goals in this thread: 1) it previews a later monster ability 2) it is quirky 3) it wouldn't be overkill on D:2 because they're still just quokkas. Though if the clones could clone, that could get really interesting really quickly.

Zwobot wrote:Does AC apply to distortion?

The wiki FWIW don't assign a damage type to the two random options that deal extra damage, so I interpreted that as physical damage reduced by AC.

Cleaving would be the only reason I'd choose a speed 7 axe over speed 5 whips, spears, or short blades if my goal is evicting nasties.

I just had an aha! moment. Distortion is primarily a notdietodudes brand instead of a killdudes brand. It has the weakest of the direct additive damages, +4.6/hit physical vs. +5.7/hit for electrocution and +0.5Nec/hit for Pain (also venom but that's harder to quantify). Its extra damage is uniquely...

I believe it is optimal to use Distortion on hand axe if you use Polearms/M&F/Axes. Due to crosstraining attack speed will be good enough. I have to say this is confusing. If getting a sub-7 attack speed with the distortion weapon isn't important, then why not brand a big weapon of the same typ...

I realized just now that since Lugonu worshipers can swap distortion weapons without penalty, this suggests that there is a premium on option 3. This in turn suggests that distortion is not a good always-on brand.

It seems to me that there are three options for how an Abyssal Knight might use the ability to brand a weapon with distortion, but I don't know which is best: ⋅ Brand a short blade and use it all the time. ⋅ Brand a large weapon and use it all the time ⋅ Brand a short b...

Oh man, you missed out. ... My OoF strategy was to keep them at the very edge of my LoS with singularity and throw bolts of cold at it, sometimes casting a second singularity if necessary. Or to just step one step out of los until the singularity finished, then cast another. Note that this strategy...

But wow I'm a bit baffled, how did you have trouble killing OoFs with Singularity? Generally I would hopefully be able to fight one on one, quaff some might and melee it alongside. And you didn't find another source of rF - with Gozag even? Well to be honest I never tried. I tested Singularity as a...

This is my third ascencion, following MiBe^Trog and GrEE^Veh. Of the three wins this one had the difficulty curve that never flattened out. Consequently, I learned quite a bit from it. Found a Gozag altar on D:2. I had chosen Ash, Kiku, Ru, Veh and Gozag in that order as gods I wanted. I'm glad I ch...

Won a Ds of Gozag few hours ago, and the god wasn't so bad as some complained-maybe that's 'cause I played it after the buff. Shops were kinda okay I guess, but potion petition was what mostly got me out of potentially dangerous situations. Tried a bit of extended too, which was quite ok to my surp...

May I ask where you are getting those percentages of the success of monster attacks? I don't know how to get that sort of feedback during a game and would grateful to learn.

My general reaction to roxanne is to jump out of my chair, run around the room in circles with my arms in the air screaming "IT IS HERE! IT'S HERE! IT IS TIME! THE HOUR OF OUR FATE HAS ARRIVED!" Because I want the book. My current SpEn was looking for a killdudes school for MR-resistant f...

archaeo wrote:Well, when they were recently updated for 0.16 (I think?), they were made under the auspices of some of the game's best players.

If this conversation was public could I get a link to it, please?

celem wrote:If any non-artifact left on the floor can be eaten then we're right back to the L:2 stash.

I'm an L:2 stasher playing 0.16 and I dislike it. In what version does this jelly change occur?

To me (also a beginner) Kiku's corpse delivery plus Simulacrum seems like a really strong thing to aim for since you've already invested in Ice and Kiku rewards Necromancy. So, given that, I think Condensation Shield would be a good next spell. Corpse delivery and Animate Dead will give you a lot of...

Okay, I've finally actually done the math and see that for Spriggans resting costs more food/HP than any form of regeneration (neglecting spell hunger) until MaxHP = 100 or so. Thank you and I apologize for my stubbornness. So what's the formula for MP regeneration from resting. Couldn't find that i...

the +10 pearl dragon armour "Mianiot" (worn) {rN+ MR+ Regen+ Stlth+} I wore TLA on a Sp once and ran into hunger issues. Don't worn sources of Regen add hunger all the time not just when your HP is below max? I'm curious how you can manage to pull this off food-wise because TLA is easy to...

Oh that's fine, Lasty. I had a character recently that found four starting books and no higher ones and I think I wasted XP on a couple of them that I should have been putting into melee skills while I waited for a stronger book to come along. At least now I'm usually dying after Lair instead of bef...

Sandman25 wrote:Why waste food for abilities when you can just run away?

That is totally something I need to learn to do more often.

It depends on what you mean by "second school". Are you thinking specifically of elemental schools, or of any type of magic schools at all? In general, if you already have an investment in Spellcasting and intelligence, it's worth branching into several other schools (Charms, Translocatio...

Sandman25 wrote:They don't need high AC with EV 45.

SpBe top score
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Some things I learned from this: he only berserked 3 times and BiA'd what, twice? He used a dagger exclusively through XL 15 or so. Wow.

In my limited experience I can think of two situations where a caster would really need a second school. The first is where you don't find a second book of your starting book's school and its killdudes is wearing thin. The second is if you are En or VM and there are significant mid-to-late game thre...

archaeo wrote:They're also a perfectly capable melee species, provided you play to their strengths.

I'd be curious for you to expand on this, please. It seems to me that they need AC, but armor is a poor aptitude for them and also cuts into their stealth strength.

Thank you all!

Spriggans are a recommended race for Abyssal Knights, and Abyssal Knights are a recommended background for Spriggans. Why? I get that Lugonu is one of the last remaining gods to reward praying over corpses (0.16) so that part make sense. I'm not sure what else about her synergizes with Spriggans, th...

I see references in the Wiki to monsters picking weapons up off the floor, but I don't think I've ever seen it happen in my games (0.15 and 0.16). Is this behavior obsolete? I've mainly worried about this when I've fought a pack that includes a monster with a distortion-branded weapon. That monster ...

Arrhythmia wrote:You aren't.

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