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On my current OgTr:
the +2 cloak "Osoklutin" (worn) {+Blink rElec Str+1 Dex-1 Int+1 Acc+3 Dam+3 SInv}

Yeah, the potion usually makes you lose several points.

Torment is only really scary in Hells, because you can hardly rest to regain lost HP down there. Anywhere else, Torment is quite manageable by careful play.

Level 3 life protection isn't a must; it makes Torment deals 35% damage instead of 50%, which isn't such a huge difference.

I concur. My latest HuTr went Sif, got 10 runes, and then died without ever seeing Necromutation

I'd pick the Gauntlets of War.

My bad, massive misunderstanding

This could be too strong. Imagine killing The Royal Jelly with four shots.

Although, the monsters could be given rN+.

Max HP percentage damage doesn't sound bad. But this means draining will not kill the target. It might be nice, though.... rN+ then should only reduce the damage by 5%, just like what it does to Torment damage. Because... hey, it doesn't reduce your XP anymore. Imagine how crappy draining will be, i...

I would like Scrolls of Vorpalization to work with more egos (Pain, Holy Wrath, Electrocution). I know this is a problem with many due to certain gods giving out particular egos for branding; if that is a problem, then make the god still give out the ego, or have his god ego enhance an existing ego...

mrbobbyg wrote:Basically, to succeed at crawl, imo, you have to be a sneaky skulking coward who only fights when he is assured of victory.

THIS IS NOT FAR FROM TRUTH

(I swear I capitalized that for a purpose)

Scrolls can get destroyed, and the wand is kind of rare, so yes, the Teleport Self spell is useful.

I guess you can use the ring, but it's more convenient to just cast the spell.

How about this?
1. Vorpal should go away.
2. EW III should take the role of Vorpal. If the weapon isn't vorpalized, then vorpal it. If it is, then the EW III scroll works like it does now.

Grimm wrote:Amulets of warding are W O R T H L E S S.

The rN+ is nice, though.

ryak wrote:Bracers of fumbling (dex -3)

It's pointless, unless it's an artifact.

Do not underestimate a pack of Hellions. EVER.

E V E R, goddammit!!!

(Just got a very powerful HuTr burned to crisp in Pan....)

Try to get a Wand of Teleportation and/or a Ring of Teleportation before fighting Mennas. The wand and the ring work even when you're silenced. Make sure you have enough levels of Evocations if you decide to use the ring.

slowcar wrote:stabbing is also a nice thing as a berserker, you can often insta-kill sleeping monsters with a short blade (with a dagger and some stabbing even the royal jelly).

^ This.

Keep your Stabbing and Stealth on.

Faith is good, especially for ammo gifting. Steel and silver bolts/bullets will really save your day. Save your enchant weapon scrolls for them. If you want to take the amulet off, make sure you have a way to replenish your piety. The Hive can be a really good source of piety. Gong is... dangerous :)

A crossbow gets slowed down really bad when you use a shield, even a buckler. So you shouldn't use a shield if you want to shoot with that crossbow. But then if you don't use any shield, you better maximize your damage output by using a two-handed weapon.

Trog is perfectly fine for a three rune game.

Generally, use the largest shield you can use. You might want to use a sling too.

The Royal Jelly is a bad man.

It's good in Vault:8. You can get a band of Orcs (including Orc Knight), a band of Deep Trolls, an Iron Troll, a Storm Dragon, etc.

Here's a short story on my successful DEBe. It was Zot:5. The dude got his Resist Mutation on. Encountered an Orb of Fire; got first level Berserkitis. Encountered another Orb of Fire; got another level of Berserkitis. He felt angry. :lol: (Since he had Stasis and mainly used sling, it wasn't really...

If you wanna retreat (of course you do!), then it might help if you get your MR high. Getting mesmerized by a mermaid when there're javelineers around isn't nice at all.

Yes, please. I would like to get some steel javelins

Dying due to overestimating my character's strength (like, "I surely can take down this Orc Warrior!" while playing an XL 5 non-spellcasting Mummy). It makes me feel stupid and amateurish.

There are SpBes in the forest? Gotta see that!

Oh yeah, evokable invisibility. I didn't use it much, since I had this unreasonable fear of the hunger (at least one of my earlier DEBes died starving)

Hmm, how about a DEBe unique? At least it would shock the n00bs :lol:

Curio wrote:congratulation
You just prooved Badass Bookworm trope!

How could the dude be a bookworm if he never read a book (instead, he burned some of them)?

EDIT:
Oh wait, I completely forgot about manuals

Yeah, I think this dude qualifies as a badass bookworm :mrgreen:

From such upsetting deaths, you learn how to play like a pro 8-)

on top of that: right now the tornado covers pretty much everything in LOS immediately. it could take four or five turns for it to grow to that point. (it should dissipate like it currently does, though, because it looks pretty cool i'd say.) it doesn't affect all scenarios, but it can be a drawbac...

Well, at least your kobold can eat whenever he wants

Crazy slaying there

dassem wrote:Beogh should definitely brand armor with resistances too (especially rPois!!!).

Not a bad idea

dassem wrote:At least this has made me not want to play for a while, so I can catch up with work!

Now that's some wisdom :lol:

Use a large shield and a sling, simply because you need the best protection you can get. If you can't teleport, then don't let yourself get hit at all and don't let them monsters approach you without first tasting some bullets in their faces.

asdu wrote:@pratamawirya: impressively masochistic victory. Expecting a minotaur wizard YAVP from you in the future

Thanks, and maybe! :lol:

I like the new shark tile

I would like to see Tornado having some realistic effects, like sucking creatures and moving them around. I think it would fit the general theme of Air Magic: somewhat tricky and technical. Or would it be hard to code?

I've still never really tried a character with ranged weaponry as his main damage-dealer. You just have to learn to shoot like a smart guy. Like, don't sling a pack of Death Yaks all at once (my personal experience) :lol: In melee range, slinging is even safer than chopping with an axe. That's from...

Xom "gifting" demons is the most annoying thing

I can't reproduce it. Nope.

Slinging Troglodytes are pretty awesome. It provides plenty of solutions for an otherwise frail character. Actually, most of the advice you give for DEBe is how I ran my SpBes. Move aside dwarves and minotaurs- stealthy, stabby, evasive, slinging, non-axe wielding bezerkers are now a thing . :lol: ...

General tips on playing a Deep Elf Berserker: 1. Switch to Short Blades the moment you find a sabre. 2. Don't turn off your Dodging, Stealth, and Stabbing the whole game, ever. 3. Use the largest shield you can find and don't turn off your Shields, ever. 4. Get a sling and don't turn off the skill u...

It's no good if you have reflection but can't reflect things due to not enough SH, so yeah, like minmay said, use the large shield.

Assuming you have Deflect Missiles, a buckler is usually enough for your spellcaster

I might write some tips on playing this awful combo, later. If I'm not too lazy...

Morgue file, part 3. Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Pencari Tuhan, the Deep Elf Berserker, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 13/13 MP: 1/1 694 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 14/17 MP: 2/3 1094 | D:1 | R...

Morgue file, part 2. Vanquished Creatures the royal jelly (Slime:6) Khufu (Crypt:4) 6 orbs of fire (Zot:5) 33 greater mummies 5 ancient liches Saint Roka (D:19) Boris (twice) (D:26 Crypt:4) 2 curse toes Mara (Snake:2) 3 Killer Klowns 4 electric golems 2 Fiends (Elf:5) 13 golden dragons Xtahua (Vault...

Free air! Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.8.0 character file. 1992728 Pencari Tuhan the Acrobat (level 27, 167/167 HPs) Began as a Deep Elf Berserker on May 18, 2011. Was a Believer of Trog. Escaped with the Orb ... and 6 runes (of 6 types) on May 22, 2011! The game lasted 22:47:00 (279194 turns)...

I decided to clear the Tomb. The whole thing is horrible. My piety drops to one pip since there's no living thing to kill. Lots of painful back-and-forth slinging times. (Silver bullets seem to get destroyed a bit easier than I expected....)

But at least I got the rune. And the loots.

You don't have to train Slings anymore when your attack speed with a sling is already "quite fast" (press @ to see it). From my experience, it's usually somewhere between 14 and 16 skill levels.

Click this for the final character dump! Click this for some tips on playing a Deep Elf Berserker! Steel Bullets rock. This dude got five runes, cleared Zot:5, and is ready for the awesomely rare ascension (albeit not with 15 runes). He is now in Tomb. I'm not sure whether I should try clearing it ...

Get an amulet of stasis.

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