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In case anyone's wondering, this isn't dead; I took a break for a while to play in the tournament (the better to learn what should and should not be imported, in part), and am back to merging Stone Soup code. It might be a while before I release another build, though; merging this , while good and n...

I just installed CL for the first time and I'm getting this. Image 2.png I don't know if it's my fault or not. Running the Windows version. Not your fault; something went wrong with the Windows tiles packaging, and I'm not sure what. Rebuilding it resolved the issue, and the fixed package is upload...

New builds uploaded.

Included: A fix for the reported edict false positive (and many others), as well as some Stone Soup imports. Nothing particularly new, but it should feel slightly closer to modern Stone Soup in some ways.

Slight issue, quaffing a potion of healing was apparently a violation of the "no summoning" edict. Oh dear. I see exactly what's causing this, and, uh... let's just say this isn't the only false positive. I may need to put out a fix tonight. Remember kids: switch statements need break sta...

Aah, fixed. Sorry about that, there were some bad .des files in the Windows uploads (the Linux uploads were fine). My regular Windows build setup recently broke, and I was careless in assembling them this time.

Alright, I think now's as good a time as any to get Crawl Light resurrected. And to that end... New builds! Things that have changed since the last development release: Zin has been completely overhauled. ⋅ Recite has been removed. ⋅ Vitalisation has been removed. ⋅ Imp...

Glad you've been enjoying it!

Development's been on hiatus for a while, but has recently been picked up again; here's a teaser of what'll be coming in the next binary release (I'll need to find hosting other than Github, since they discontinued that service)...

Why is the contamination is handled over time? Why not give it all when casting the spell? Currently it's very hard to determine if casting a spell would give you yellow glow or not, and thus the game gives no warning (prompt) for these dangerous acts, which is not the way crawl usualy handles thes...

The ones I prolly like the most is the removal (or reduced??) spawn of out of depth mobs Out of depth spawning is an unfeature on easy mode only. On normal (one Pandoora opened), populating dungeon levels is done as in Stone Soup (modulo rebalancing for the shallower dungeon and stuff like that). O...

Thanks for the feedback! I'll address a few of your points specifically... Balancing the races with the removal of the food clock. Glow clock functions exactly the same for every species, Not actually true anymore , though I'm not sure the server's seen a recompile since that was done (rebuilds on d...

The Windows binaries for Crawl Light have been updated again. Highlights include: my plans for Dis and Cocytus have had an initial implementation, mimics are no longer generated, a few bugs have been fixed (notably including a crash afflicting Cheibriados followers), archery is more accurate at low ...

I like the "pandoora" idea very much. Especially I like that it's a choise you making through a game itself, not the options in main manu. One thing I would like to suggest, though, is to make this "unleashing" process even more gradual. Every branch and sub-branch can have from...

Galefury wrote:Oh, dtsund has his own vision for an ultimate challenge.

Indeed. Oh, indeed!

Regarding randarts, I hadn't thought that far ahead. Not sure how they'd work in that system (possibly they could have multiple curses on them, or perhaps they'd just be allowed to be negative).

Regarding gradual uncursing, I think I'd prefer an all-or-nothing system.

Here's a proposal that I briefly alluded to on IRC, based on some of the stuff here: Everything in the game is cursed when you find it. When you equip something new, you are forced to either wear it until the curse wears off through experience gain or until you uncurse it with a (rare) scroll of rem...

Thanks; should be working now.

Wherein we discuss shortened dungeons, difficulty levels, implicit ammo, and other abominations! Crawl Light, for those unfamiliar with it, is a fork of Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup that's been active for a little over a year by this point. The fork is based on the 0.8 codebase, but has imported a grea...

Rather than give every weapon type its own special property, one straightforward thing you could do would be make one of the weapon types statistically better than the rest. For instance, Maces & Flails could just have better numbers than the corresponding Long Blades and Axes; the choice would ...

When playing Wizards, even pure-caster Wizards, Slow is a major go-to spell of mine for dealing with spiny frogs. It also sees significant use against other enemies that Mephitic Cloud can't disable.

If Slow isn't being used, it's not because it's a bad spell for Minor Magic.

BlackSheep wrote:Usage probably wasn't the best choice of words. If you read his posts, he's looking for a weighting based on prior sacrifices.

Oh, whoops! Disregard my nonsense.

XuaXua wrote:Do not do it randomly. Balance it based on usage.

This is both abusable and spoilery.

eeviac wrote:why can't we just let ash worshippers choose which scroll they want

I believe interface burden was the argument for not doing that.

I haven't gotten good enough at Brogue to die to starvation. I've won at least three or four times, and have never starved to death. I've come close a few times, though, and lost one game because hunger pressure forced me to play recklessly; I consider Brogue's hunger clock well-designed and a good...

I'd kinda imagine Crawl Light would take a stab at it sooner than Stone Soup The hunger clock is already an unfeature in Light, having been replaced by glow costs for most tactical things that cost hunger before. This has also had a few second-order effects, like necessitating Brogue-style monster ...

eeviac wrote:That would be awesome if you did post a patch, man. I've been trying to figure out the code myself but I'm no good at this stuff.

Done.

Corpse Sacrifice: I am sure that every deity throughout history irl has a handbook on how to sacrifice on an altar and everyone who ever performed a sacrifice did it the same way throughout history. There is variety. The Mayans did it by decapitation, Baals did it by incineration. Why is it surpris...

Patashu wrote:Try playing Crawl Light, it has square LOS

Indeed, and it wasn't added just as an experiment; the chances of Light reverting to roundlos are approximately zero.

This is planned for Light, and actually near the top of my to-do list.

I am a bit worried that good players like MarvinPA will go for a mutation free game anyway. The goal is not to make mutations the solution to everything but to have a wider range than "shun mutations at all costs; if you have sufficient !cMut, perhaps try !Mut before the Zot battle". A po...

Figuring out the particulars for those numbers when spells like Chain Lightning are involved would be incredibly hard, I suspect.

Agreed, the mechanics would need to be abstracted a lot, as they rely on a computer to do a lot of number crunching. You'd be better off utilizing the pantheon and setting to create a roguelike module for an existing tabletop system. Indeed; I briefly joined a 4e game that used the Crawl setting on...

Oh hey, I guess this is a thread I should probably post in! (although yeah, it's based on 0.8 so I expect it's unlikely to ever be up-to-date with bug/crash fixes, interface improvements and so on). For what it's worth, I've merged quite a lot of post-0.8 commits into the Light code. I stopped becau...

Okay, let's consider this for a moment. [*]Planescape Torment style resurrection. You come back, but without your memories. Apply amnesia to item identification, memorized spells, maps, maybe even skills. Wholesale amnesia or randomized selection from categories could work. Amnesia of that type has...

IronJelly wrote:2) they are not unable to use things. Instead, the wand or weapon is in their mouth, which:
a) means they can't eat without unwielding.
b) MUST wield a wand to evoke it

Sweet Jegus, the tedium.

A common proposal is to ditch them altogether but I feel that the three stats can be made meaningful. For what it's worth, my (eventual, not in the upcoming version) plan for Light is to replace the numerical stats with three-tier mutations ("You are [very|extremely] intelligent/dopey.") ...

I assume the problem is you roll for contamination after you cast the spell. You could get around this- roll for contamination in advance, check what the total contamination will be after adding, warn if necessary, then apply the contamination if the user confirms. That's not actually how it works ...

Blade wrote:I'm aware that there's glow variance, but in general, I wouldn't want to go invisible even with a 10% chance that I would immediately go into yellow glow.

The way it works, calculating the odds for such things would be very difficult.

Stone Soup's glow mechanics don't allow for anything like a reliable warning for overcontamination. Light's do (and you do get a warning there), but only because the glow mechanics had very significant changes.

There are upsides to predictable AI an an against-the-computer, asymmetric game like this. If the computer's behavior can be predicted, this allows the player to reasonably calculate the game state several turns in advance, and also makes it reasonable for there to be situations where doing so is re...

May as well crosspost this here, since it's vaguely relevant.

As far as I'm concerned, that would be an improvement. I fail to see how Crawl benefits from levitation and flight being possible; they're generally not tactical effects, but rather "keep them active always and forever when you need to pass bad terrain" effects. The game would, in my opini...

Map deterioration is an interface screw and nothing more. Nothing's stopping me from sketching the layouts of every floor in case I wind up an amnesiac. If I forget a spell in no tension all it makes me do is return to my stash and relearn it. If I forget a key spell (like Blink) in high tension it'...

evilmike wrote:Giving the player a numerical glow stat on the interface (along the lines of HP and MP) would be an extreme solution, but might be the best one, depending on how things go.

Yeah, I didn't mention it above, but I did also add a Glow meter underneath the Magic meter.

About glow, if you can gain some more easily, maybe it should also be easier to get rid of it. Or at least less tedious. When you rest, it could go away faster. That shouldn't make it any easier to abuse haste or controlled blink. For what it's worth, Light's in the middle of a glow overhaul. If an...

I'll be watching this thread with interest. One idea I've had was to temper the worst effects with some form of compensation. For instance, if you get banished to the Abyss at a low level, you might get a decent set of pets to give you a fighting chance to survive, or Xom might put an exit portal ne...

Unless it was changed recently, I don't think Trog or Okawaru give giant rocks.

EDIT: I should read other posts more closely.

Fire magic needs this badly if for nothing than just the flavour. In my opinion. Doing things that would have such a significant impact on gameplay just for the purpose of advancing flavor is bad, wrong, and bad. The correct way to think about such things is whether they'd address serious gameplay ...

I've offered repeatedly on IRC to port* the percentage indicator code from Light to Stone Soup, but it seems as though it's not happening. Interested parties can read resulting argumentation (starts about halfway down).

*The code is nontrivial; success is not based on an 'x chance in y' call.

As I see it, repeated failures are the game's way of telling you "Hey, maybe you're not quite ready to start casting that..."

nvjack: You got it right. Yes, you can try standing there, but this will be a dangerous proposition. Traps wouldn't be tied to a single monster, but generally to a band (e.g. and ogre band). If you are willing to tradeno T&D for complete tactical inflexibility, go ahead :) Does this mean it sho...

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