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Formicides are quite reliable. Heavy twohanders with a shield is a solig option, and Ru is crazy good providing both a bit of escape, and hefty chunk of extra survivability in blinds and other effects. And massive AoE never hurts too.

A regular Fo prayed on a random altar and got Makhleb. But a bunch of randarts make it look Chei-like, and I'm curious about the better way to build. Basically he is Str 30, Int 12, Dex 27 at XL: 15, so several more points may go into Int. And a shop with this: +1 eveningstar "Brilliance" ...

How the logic works behind ?acq ? It is somehow depends on the items seen and skill training, but.. On a Fo with 10 in Staves and 14.5 in Polearms it pulled a triple randart crossbow. It is cool and nice and I would love it but there are exactly 0 points in xBows skill. And with a +3 glaive on hands...

So Fedhas wrath can -even at low levels- be terrifying. Can you deal with 7 Oklobs grown around you and a shy mushroom to confuse you? It was probably "-even at high levels" as at low XL any god's wrath may kill a character on 1-2-3. 7 Oklobs with a source of +Inv and big EV doesn't sound...

The idea was to take Jiyva for the sake of Jiyva, and it was Op, until a bunch of them went to morgue records. Now going with Fe^Fe and would accept any nice advice because I know nothing of those. -1 life but other than that is pretty solid with mushrooms support (hope I use them right: normally wa...

Not only that, but monsters really aren't that smart, you don't even need to use flame in corridors. Got a spiny frog a few tiles a way in front of you? Just conjure the three tiles in front and adjacent to you and it'll walk right into one and die almost instantly. Occasionally a fourth is needed....

Wow, this trove is quite amazing.

Aaaaand done. Tomb:3 gave a pair of hairy moments: once I've dive under a hail of smites for more than half hp (and then realize haste prevents foes from acting on descend - nice), and the second time I tried to use recite to found sanctuary only prevent foes from attacking you but not from the harm...

I would not blink, several discords and go upstairs sounds more safe. Do not worry about the remainings, you could stairdance them all, it would just be better to take out Toe or OoF with their former allies. Do you have non-fire dagger or QBlade? Speed, antimagic or elec are nice. Hm.. Not sure ab...

Yeah, Pans and Abyss was easy, except for the fire one with a Hellions island and Cerebov under confusion ran away.. to went back and drow after all his escort was dispatched. The Lom Lobon guards has Storm dragons so I (finally) was able to open +4 StormDA Trove for nothing. Found one more /HW (two...

D:15 Trove requesting for +4 StormDA Not a big deal (except I was with Gozag so enter it with 14 runes), nothing expected, nothing useful for the character generated. May be useful for a caster though. g - a +0 crystal plate armour i - the +1 hat of the First Snow {rN+ Int+3} j - the -3 pair of boo...

IIRC awake monsters don't generate noise on their own, but if you go back soon, and it would be nearby it would probably curious and try to fireball you. And that definitely wake up all the screen. You may ignore this as you need them to be not sleeping for Discord, and hardly ever you would be fast...

Oh, and no stat death now. That is not that bad.

No restore abilities potion.. how to cure it in trunk?

Good gods are ok with Shadows, except it negates TSO Halo, but with the Crypt Piety Rocket Boost who cares anyway. Gozag's wrath is the best. I'm so amused with the berserked Liches.. It is like Oka, without on-demand bonuses, but soo much cool stuff in the shop if you are strong enough to deal with...

Offline run with Zin was quite nice - confused Lom Lobon and Cerebov didn't even has a chance to fight back. I think this is a choice.

For the weapon you want one with the least min delay due to aux antimagic bite attack. Dagger is good, QuickBlade would be better if you found or ?acquire one. You are probably don't need more Hexes or Stealth, but dodging and some armour would be nice. Mottled dragon armor or something similar woul...

Gozag was on D:1, so it is a HO of Gozag. It was quite funny exact from the moment it found a small permafood stash on D:4 and didn't die to starving. Funny god in general, but hey, it should be noted somewhere that dancing weapons drop a "corpse" so they turned to gold instead :lol: All i...

Be sticky for consumables is double as silly with Nemelex. with ?tele, ?blink, 2-3 stacked escape decks.. it shouldn't die to a regular summoner vault. :oops:

And a quick question: found a deck of Wonders in the shop. What do you do with those? Helix looks nice, Merc so-so, maybe Focus.. do you draw all one by one?

Note for self, to think about, Orc shops:

Code:: 484 - ring *Confuse rPois rF++ MR+ SInv 434 - amul Ward rN+ rF++

So it was supposed to be a Merfolk of Fedhas, both a species and a god I never try yet, but Fedhas resides too deep and I end up with Nemelex instead :roll: At the moment it is a pretty regular gladiator, with (could you believe?) a polearm, some defences, some evo, and boom! - an Ice Cave presented...

Silence does block ALiches magic, and does it extremely well. I also love it for Elv:3. It may be useful for dragonians swarms, but Inv is way better if present.
For OoF just bashing, which trigger bites for VS, and they are actually work against orbs.

The impact of known items does have a mechanical effect, but if you're wanting to be 'optimal' you should ignore this mechanical effect in all normal cases and most constructed hypotheticals, because a favorable roll for good loot now is always better than an ever-so-slightly-more-favorable roll fo...

Play nagas. They're like a halfway point between a regular character and a chei player. You'll get used to the pain of moving without actually dying (much). While Chei is extremely powerful, I'm not sure if it good to offset his powers with extremely bad movement speed. Foo^Chei is able to play wit...

I lost 2 points in combined defences, but it feels like a gain with the bundled rF rC. Also had to drop a bunch more points into spells due to increased encumbrance, but with the established melee it wasn't much efforts (and wizardry helped for the training time). Endgame was full of invis till Zot:...

Finaly got a gold dragon hide. Would you trade the plate for GDA? I think it should be better for resistances, and no confusions, and plan to replace if nothing cool would spawn in Vaults:5

If only Chei would not be so stubborn about weapons it would be so cool.. j - the +5 pair of quick blades "Gyre" and "Gimble" {pierce, Dex-3} (You found it on level 4 of the Depths) It inflicts extra damage upon your enemies. It affects your dexterity (-3). Cheibriados disapprove...

I haven't blade hands but have found statue form, but slow-slow..

Ok, answering myself *Confuse isn't that bad, I only caught it once until now, somewhere in Elf.

Should I consider a shield for this character? It is a bit unclear for me how it interfere with UC. Any size is available.

Long time ago in a far away galaxy one more VS managed to get past fearsome Orc Priests. Now he worships Chei and found pretty cool +9 Plate, but it has *confuse - how bad is those? This is my first run with Chei - any tips are welcome. It seems logical to branch a bit into support magic, but not su...

While Fighting is not the best way to start, training melee skills on caster background is something to think about for me. While it is suboptimal my Tm and FE (and probably any class without strong support spells, like EE/IE) have much better survival chance early game when training melee first. It...

Why no lantea (CLAN) server there? It works best for me. Is something wrong with it?

I didn't have damage related necro when asked (now have agony, dispel, control, corpse rot), probably would train it after a while. Suddenly found the rune vault on Swamp:4. The trunk full of surprises. Also while old Tukima's feel completely unusable the new one feels way overpowered. How bad would...

Decided to try webtiles and trunk, and finally get a win with Nemelex. Couldn't resist to try Shadow Altar, so this one is SpEn^Yred. Who cares, I don't know anything than Makh/Veh/Oka/Ash, and old Sif (MuSu, thank you wiki guides). Hm.. It is definitely funny to half clear the central chamber of Or...

Abyss was a bit annoying, found a rune on 3 behind an unpenetrable wall, and wasn't fast enough to grab it before teleport. Then dive up to 5, and TP 2 tiles from exit portal. Quick trip to Zig ended on Floor 3, Cursing toe and Flayed ghost (but probably all the damage was from torment) with no rN.....

changed Regen amulet to rMut, and Reflection shield to rF - and apported Orb up to the stairs. Only one lung cleared, but counting OoF and Aliches there should not be anything but several more guardians and draconians - too lazy to bash them. QBlade is nice damage wise, but the amount of tabs per fa...

I think QBlade isn't bad with two fast aux attacks one of which antimagic/healing also, and don't have that much EW scrolls in the moment anyway. One uncursed ring leave top tier spells at 8%, probably should boost them a bit. Elv with silence is pure fun, but the loot - oh, found Haste, that was ap...

Any profit from training Shields past 15? Found a +2 Shield of Protection on Asterion, would it be better for this character? And a Vampiric Demon Blade - but those is probably not as good for VS. Are hexes worth further training? Their power are not maxed yet, and sometimes enslave do nice work pro...

It is a bit unusual to go without resistances, but who cares as long as you are invincible. The most close call was from Nikola, no rElec doesn't pair well with him. And yes, a Kraken, when I attempt to steal Shoals rune with passwall — escaped with halved health, not a big pleasure. Also this game ...

Found myself mostly meleeing things without any tricks. Hexes are too weak to take care of tough ones and for the regular enemies.. well, I may spend 2 turns to confuse/hybernate thing and 0.5 to kill it if lucky, while melee takes around 1.5 turns to simply kill it. Orc was mostly tab-storm, not a ...

So things changed a bit. Lost helments due to BeneMut (horns) - need a hat now. Found a shield of reflection and went for it, as well as other defences. Scroll of brand weapon turn QBlade to Freeze, and without those buckler I would have around 10AC in a robe, which is not cool. Need to push Stone S...

Learning my way with VS. Quite a nice thing, a bit of fragile but who cares. I took Ash and looking mostly for a stabber with viable direct fire power (which should come from bites*QBlade speed if assumption is correct). It should be somewhat hybrid, but not sure about the armour choice - robe works...

Unable to see invisible and unable to hurt invisible is two very different things. There are highly reduced chance, but Lerny has 27 checks per turn, which is huge. If you have a decent chance to confuse/sleep you may try those from invis. You may also ignore it for a while and return later. Also I ...

* Spellcasting, Evo, and Invo skill, and +MP items, because your mana pool is also your health pool, and the bigger you make it the more you can heal with your bite. Shouldn't there be 'or' like "Spellcasting or Evo or Invo"? If I get it right the final boost only take the highest one of ...

Found a +0 CPA on Wiglaf. May it be usable? It give a bit more AC+EV in the moment, completely kill spellcasting of course, but would I need spellcasting vith Makhleb and evocables? Not sure. This is with the sword though, 17 str is insufficient, but not awful (30AC+5EV). With raw 10 str it is (30AC...

Hm, nice to know. Seems wiki is outdated for this one.

My guess is that the triple sword vastly outperforms the falchion at all skill levels - maybe some fsim guru will correct me, but I strongly doubt it. Also, the triple sword does not drain you, it drains your enemies. My guess it may not be so with elec brand. For Spiny frogs and other poisonous st...

Hi. I've started a DS with idea of nightstalker, Ash and a lot of stabbing in mind. However Nightstalker kicked in after Temple, and extra AC (and early elec falchion - before), so I decided to join Makhleb and rush straight on enemies with a battle roar (until first appeared - and then backwards, i...

Nemelex is nice in general, should be played with great care though. Spider 5 spawned Arachne? No problem! This legendary deck of war brings 5 summons on the field, and that legendary deck of destruction bring Orb - oh, wait, 3/5 summons now hostile. And the worst part the friendly one know Tornado,...

So now I have Snake rune, cleared Vaults:4 (except for Mara - not sure what to do. I don't want to have him around while stairdancing) and dungeon - would proceed to Depth and S:5, V:5. Ring of Shaolin is pretty, Boots of the Prince too. Has CPA but with raw enchantment it does not outperform +5 cha...

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