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Some quick but serious background tiers, for a human character:

SS: Be
S: IE Ar
A: Fi As Su
B: Gl Wr
C: FE EE Wz AK Cj
D: En Wn Mo Sk Ne AE Hu AM
E: Tm VM
F: CK

Ranking backgrounds is harder than ranking species. SS, S and F I am confident in but the rest depend on the time of day.

With Kiku, using pain is a no-brainer. Do you think it's better than vamp, assuming a decent base damage weapon? This seems to be a purely hypothetical question, as I can't imagine facing a choice between pain or vamp with the same base type and enchant. But the better the base type (and slaying/en...

just play-doh instead

Pain is very good, but it's rare that I have a game where the opportunity cost of dropping everything I'm doing to switch to a pain weapon is worth the gain. With Kiku, using pain is a no-brainer. Necromancy spells are decent utility, but I tend not to go very heavy on utility. Regen is mostly extra...

Streaking's not fun at all and I've more or less stopped playing crawl because of it. The tedium is only part of the problem. The bigger part is that it's so discouraging how random the early game is.

More fun to egg Ultra on to do crazy stuff like this exclusion run to show how bad traps are.

V5 is my favourite floor in crawl, so I have a few things to say about it. The start of V5 is the hardest stage. The first goal is to establish some space where enemies can be fought quietly or under favourable circumstances. The second goal is to clear one of the quadrants (which expands the space ...

At least harm has a beneficial side to it which sometimes makes it interesting if you're not concerned with playing perfectly. Inaccuracy is bad and entirely uninteresting. Inaccuracy should be removed instead.

Replays with tiles support

Hellmonk wrote:HELLCRAWL CHANGELOG OCTOBER 2, 2016:

COMING SOON TO CPO

That would make a good splash screen.

relying on evocations is not required Evoke: Wand | | | 2 | 7 | 4 | 17 | 4 | 5 | 32 || 71 Deck | | | | | 1 | 7 | | | || 8 Fan of gales | | | | | 1 | | | | || 1 Sack of spiders | | | | | | | 2 | | || 2 Stone of tremors | | | | | | | 1 | | || 1 Lamp of fire | | | | | | | 1 | | || 1 Evoke: Wand | | | ...

It's bot spam all the way down: <Lantell> Aleksmastering (L27 DsFi) reached level 7 of Gehenna. (Geh:7) <Rotatell> ahabkang (L27 VSFi) entered the realm of Mnoleg. (Pan) <Rotatell> Specter (L25 DsAK) reached level 5 of the Vaults. (Vaults:5) <mibe> !seen doll <Sequell> I last saw doll at Sat Aug 20 ...

So my question is, do we have any evidence that this improves your chances of winning, and if so, is the margin remotely significant? I doubt it improves overall winrate much but for someone like zxc, the concern isn't winrate but dying at all and losing a 30+ game streak. The most amusing thing to...

Capping paralysis duration to 3 or 4 turns doesn't result in any loss of depth. The best play remains the same. It just gets rid of extreme scenarios which do occur and aren't fun. I can only imagine positive effects from such a change.

I'm happy just to have somebody I can watch and learn from that doesn't use console. In my opinion, the beginning of your draconian run was actually the most entertaining part, it might have been long and drawn out but it felt like an extremely critical process to see take place for people interest...

I was playing a Healer and Ely for the first time (HOHe), on my first streak, and wasn't used to the extreme hunger pressure in the early game. I had no food left and I was starving, chased by a group of enemies (probably yaks) in a corridor which looped around. I was able to kill one enemy that dro...

For skilled and entertaining play, probably look elsewhere. :) I make my streak videos for anyone curious to see what 'optimal play' looks like, or at least, the closest to it that has been recorded with tiles. Talking while playing is quite hard to do and given the choice between playing precisely ...

Here is a very recent win by bsdbeard without using any potions, scrolls or wands: http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/imoen/morgue-imoen-20160508-122751.txt On the topic of pre-digging tunnels for the orb run - I've never heard of or seen anyone do that. I play very carefully/'tediously' yet I've ...

Not exactly great though, since you have to hit they key again for each item. It would be a real pain if there were e.g. 20ish arrows scattered all around that you wanted back. Perhaps what you want can be achieved through lua scripts similar to HDATravel. In any case, I've been using this for a lo...

Fwiw I would love a button that did auto pickup then just stopped moving, mostly because of ammo. You can do this with autoexplore. https://crawl.project357.org/rc-files/0.17/zzxc.rc explore_stop = items,greedy_items,greedy_pickup,greedy_pickup_gold explore_stop += greedy_visited_item_stack,stairs,...

crate wrote:Well I was going to watch the ttyrec and point out where you messed up, but apparently cpo doesn't have ttyrecs or something.

There are ttyrecs but chequers has obviously messed something up along the way. I'm bugging him daily to fix it.

mibert wrote:Also the amulet of reflection is crazy powerful, I can just '5' next to yaktaurs waiting for them to kill themselves. Does it somehow scale with SH?

Reflection sends projectiles that you successfully block back at enemies. So yes, it does scale with SH.

If someone wants to tell me how to get a morgue off of Project357, be my guest. https://crawl.project357.org/morgue/Kaishin/morgue-Kaishin-20160418-182953.txt You can find the morgue by either trawling through your morgue directory on the site (https://crawl.project357.org/morgue/Kaishin/), by chec...

Lasty covered that: stealth also helps lose pursuers once you break line of sight. The problem is that once you break LOS you're pretty much completely out of danger anyway. This only matters much in the early dungeon. That and "sometimes a threat you have no solutions for won't wake up on fir...

Re and expanding Tabstorm points: 1. My requirement for training stealth is being a stabber or race with a high apt (+4 or +5) and using lighter armour. Essentially I want a greater incentive to train stealth than just 'pour a good chunk of XP into this and sometimes monsters won't see you on the fi...

It appears to be updated now http://crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring/overview.html

with a new all-time high score

And Charly's high score game too.

I don't see the issue if it's an rc file option. People who don't want it can turn it off (or it defaults to off) and people who want it can use it.

Regular 3 rune game: https://crawl.project357.org/morgue/zzx ... 093430.txt

8 potions of heal wounds in inventory. 10 more were given to a trove. 1 was quaffed.

Common wisdom here is that early game is the only really hard part. It's a bit more complicated than that. The early game gets referred to as the hardest part of the game by some players because the power balance between enemies and the player is at its most even, the margin for error is at its sma...

This is a nice idea but I think it could go a step further. The dungeon can be a drab place at times and I've always enjoyed the water branches in Lair, so why not replace the boring grey dungeon with an ocean environment? This solves the stair-dancing issue as you would drown, and it would add cons...

I didn't know about this crazy run until now. I linked this thread on ##crawl-dev. Hopefully it gets fixed soon. It's already been so long. I wonder if at the same time, the quit (grief) which broke up the 35 win streak of Makemeasandwich into a 6 and a 29 streak could be fixed too. I'm not a fan of...

The only issue with VM is that sting is very weak on D:1 (like pretty much all level 1 spells except freeze, sandblast and pain). A potion of brilliance for all mage starts would go a long way towards solving that problem.

An update was made to the tiers. In median role: Dg moved up from B+ to A; Fo moved up from D to D+. In best role: DE moved up from D to D+, Vp moved down from B to C+. Felids are the most disliked race . This drives them down the list no matter how objectively powerful they are. Fun is not a factor...

To a large degree this thread has been getting bogged down in theory which bears little resemblance to the actual game. I know that making crawl 100% winnable all the time is an unrealistic goal, but I'm pretty sure everyone can agree that, all else being equal, a game with fewer RNG deaths is a bet...

Time for some responses! :D I would put Ds in B-tier for "Best Role" and move Ha up to A As DrKe said, placing Ds was very tricky. DsBe is slightly weaker than HuBe in the first couple of floors, then rapidly outstrips HuBe for the rest of the game. The same issue can be seen with GrBe. Ho...

For concrete examples: games where the RNG throws OOD after OOD at you, or which are resource starved, e.g. the first potion of heal wounds is on D:12, and so on. Yes, many players will perish, but this is precisely the opportunity for really good players to shine. You argue to remove the most dang...

Any swiftness-based 'solution' will massively increase unavoidable deaths in the early game due to the inability to pillar dance or even to reach staircases. "It will change balance" is a terrible reason not to do something. Every meaningful change affects balance. If removing or changing...

Well one issue with fixes like "Shafts don't place you within two spaces from a monster" is that due the RNG's involvement in generation you can construct extremely implausible lethal situations (this shaft places you in view of 10 orc priests by some freak RNG) that can still occur and I...

But you could have taken different actions on D:1 to generate a different D:2, and different actions on D:2 to prevent Sigmund from successfully confusing you. This is the most ridiculous argument I've ever seen on this forum. You're suggesting optimal play involves savescumming or a degree of psyc...

I see we are using wildly different definitions of "unavoidable death". I am taking it to mean "there is no sequence of player inputs for this game that would result in a win." You seem to take it to mean "any death that I think is unfair". I speak out primarily agains...

I've got a 31 win streak going, and I've thought a lot about this topic. At this stage, my only concern when starting a new character is I will face an unavoidable and unfair situation in the very early game. It's possible that I will make a fatal mistake later on but that will be entirely my fault,...

Any swiftness-based 'solution' will massively increase unavoidable deaths in the early game due to the inability to pillar dance or even to reach staircases.

T1 ... Troll ... Deep Dwarf, Troll ... I was wondering if either of you could say more about Tr here? On the topic of consensus, one reason why this is pretty hopeless is that there just aren't enough strong players who genuinely have experience beyond anecdotes with every race. I'm not really that...

Really? I'd say in PvP games it would be much easier to find out a "correct build". It's harder because in PVP your opponent reacts to what you do. Metas shift and evolve. It is harder to pin down a single correct way to play. DCSS AI doesn't adapt to what you do, and being turn-based all...

The project of coming to a tavern-wide consensus on power rankings is, I strongly suspect, entirely doomed. That said, my two cents, listed in a very rough order of power level. T1 (basically impossible to lose in a 3-rune game if played correctly) : Centaur, Spriggan, Deep Dwarf, Troll T2 (very st...

The Japanese playstyle is also unique: dgwn[1/2]: when I first started playing I met some Japanese players who were remarkably better than anyone I've seen play, to this day, and they said that Demigod Wanderers were so easy to ascend with that they classified runs as DgWn runs and Non-DgWn runs Th...

The Japanese playstyle is also unique:

dgwn[1/2]: when I first started playing I met some Japanese players who were remarkably better than anyone I've seen play, to this day, and they said that Demigod Wanderers were so easy to ascend with that they classified runs as DgWn runs and Non-DgWn runs

I think DrKe's tiers are close to perfect and that it's better to argue for specific incremental changes to that instead.

I would honestly look to going Trog if possible. Berserk will handle most things and for everything else there's BIA. Fedhas will get you through lair and orc as easily as Trog and makes Zot5 trivial but between orc and zot, Trog is much better and guarantees strong weapons. The sketchiest stage is ...

If it's not hard to do, I see no reason not to have it as an rcfile setting which is disabled by default (to not overwhelm new players).

a game that is based entirely on luck is a game that plays itself Are we still talking about Crawl now? There's not much luck involved in winning a game of Crawl, people won 30 and 40 characters in a row. It's more about being patient, really. Luck does play a major role in the early game, especial...

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