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Wyrmbane is a seriously powerful weapon, although if you're poor at melee combat then powering it up by killing dragons can certainly be dangerous. Still it's one of a few high damage weapons that spriggans can use without penalty, so if you ever intend to use melee combat, it's a great choice. I do...

It'd be interesting to try them again. I'm old enough I have an actual sludge elf win from back when they existed...by design! And that was before I started playing on the server that doesn't exist anymore, so the morgue even survives to this day: https://f000.backblazeb2.com/file/dcss-archives/www....

So I think there may be a split, but I know there's at least a significant portion of people who would rather see sandblast not rely on stones as ammo. And with various other ammo being removed, it seems like maybe stones could get the axe in the future, and then you have a problem of what to do wit...

Agree that the v change wasn't very widely known, but I think now that I know, I'll probably use that over f, since f fires so many other things. Thanks for the update!

So I'm losing a fight to an adder, like I usually am, and tab has been disabled for being <50% life. By hey, the adder's <50% as well, so again, like usual...I'mma gonna just keep tabbing and see if I win. Normally I'd use f and fire ammo that way, but now that there is no ammo, there's no option to...

The main thing that stealth does is makes it annoying to tab after wandering monsters when you worship Cheibriados. You get an automatic 2-3 pips of stealth due to the +15 dex (which is only about 1 pip, but you had some natural dex, etc etc), and then you tab after a monster wandering away, and it ...

I generally love the OCPA and would use it whenever I could...but holy hell, you have 6 strength? Like, ouch. You'd need at least +10 str (ideally more like +15) for the OCPA. Chei is likely the only realistic option, unless you're willing to wear two strength rings or find some lucky randarts... Th...

Partially yes, but really, it isn't too bad once you get your starting skills in place. You want enough to be able to cast vamp draining with good spellpower and also some levels in your basic weapon/fighting/armor/dodging mix. Then instead of just tabbing everything, you alternate between tab and 1...

[*]Hellfire - this is a strange one because the only way to resist is is Max HP/damage shaving. As such there isn't really a way to build "against" it so it doesn't inform any strategic decisions for the player. Transmutations school: AM I A JOKE TO YOU?? On a serious note, statue form re...

I think most of the spiders are natural holiness, so you can vamp drain them. Of the common spawns I think only demonic crawlers are demons, so don't drain those. Sadly the morgue of my run was lost due to server shutdown, so I can't link it. It's on my overall scoring page though.

I see it just as the "you must use Makhleb" species at the moment (yes, I once won a DDBe, but it was tedious and unfun). I don't have a problem with it, but it doesn't have much to do with strategic HP. I won one with Cheibriados. The question is how much do you want to spam vampiric dra...

Any race that can't wear armour and/or has to rely on transmutations is pretty close to terrible. Transmutation reliant builds are, IMO, generally somewhat harder than conjuration type builds (for any given race with the possible exception of troll and maybe ogre), and Dr will have better defenses ...

This page: https://crawl.develz.org/trunk/

Suggests that the version number should resemble something that starts with "0.10". Methinks this page hasn't been updated since 2012!

Not that it really *needs to be*, I just thought it was funny.

Look, I want you to know I take only the finest care of my followers. Do they experience great danger? Definitely. Do some of them die? Almost certainly. But the ones I actually like? Hardly ever. A few errors here and there - always on the part of the follower, of course - may occur. Should such a ...

Found that morgue with my good buddy Margrim: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Tasonir/morgue-Tasonir-20170529-100316.txt. Some snippets: You have escaped! You could see the friendly Margrim the orc warlord. Probably the secret to Margrim's success: Margrim hits the sixfirhy from afar with a +3 vam...

While it's been about a decade since I played .12, I don't think there's been too many changes that would impact choices like plate vs leather or how to manage your allies. That should be mostly the same. Just watch out for item destruction, which still exists, so drop some of your potions/scrolls i...

I definitely died quite a few times in the early game trying to get the setup...but once I got a character to midgame, I just happened to get statue form on the first try. Just lucky, really. That and BVC was really beneficial. I'm fairly sure the build still works without statue form, but adding th...

Morgue link: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Tasonir/morgue-Tasonir-20210526-074741.txt Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.27-a0-1193-g8631133 (webtiles) character file. Game seed: 9392447375861752002 2388726 Tasonir the Grand Master (level 27, 286/286 HPs) Began as a Djinni Warper on May 18, 2021...

Finally dug far enough back into the commit history: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1 ... 984af5e499

As explained, players now get about 80% of the previous EV values, with a small static boost (I think this is just a flat +1 EV) so you don't get much less right at D:1.

Does anyone know what the ominous sounding patch note "Dexterity and EV formulas are tweaked again." means? I tried scanning commits but I either missed it or it's older than 2 weeks at this point...

What's the latest formula?

Yeah it applies a melee attack, in the time it takes for you to make a melee attack, to between 2-4 targets (chosen randomly? by position? not sure, I think it's random). It may be possible to only hit 1 with really low spell power, but I think you generally get 2 hits if there's targets available. ...

I didn't realize that it could convert hp to mana while not at full life; I thought it just gave extra 'wasted' hp regen as mana. The actual version is better than what I thought it is; mana facet has always been one of my favorites. Although I don't play demonspawn that often, I think I've only got...

Just because it isn't mentioned, doesn't mean I'm not already in it! But yeah, it's best to focus on one spell per meme.

I made a thing.

Hailstorm is not going to carry everything but it has good synergy with new IMB, and has a really good damage to cost ratio. The biggest surprise to me was how much hailstorm combos with freeze. Once they're too close to hit with hailstorm, they are in freeze range. Hailstorm is crowd control and f...

Well, someone who isn't me finally managed to pull this off, and posted on reddit about it here: https://old.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/ ... epeatedly/

Congratulations StairDancer!

No, it should be minotaurs, because they have a cultural tradition of being angry. And they are related to bovine. And in depictions of bullfighting, the bull is enraged by the red cloth. I think it's important to build off of cultural tradition, rather than introducing new species that nobody has ...

For one more character reference, I wanted to see how dodgy you could make a large species, so here's a troll: From: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Tasonir/morgue-Tasonir-20210225-033111.txt 17975545 Tasonir the Intangible (level 27, 419/419 HPs) Began as a Troll Warper on Feb 24, 2021. Was the C...

I'd agree with that. Every defense in this game has something that is designed to counter it, but how *many* things bypass that defense isn't the same across defenses (for example, the only thing that "counters" maxHP is torment, and that's why maxHP is so strong). I don't mean that tormen...

Attempted to make a very dodgy troll: Tasonir the Brawler (Troll Monk) Turns: 25228, Time: 01:09:46 Health: 183/183 AC: 17 Str: 39 XL: 18 Next: 64% Magic: 23/23 EV: 33 Int: 21 God: Cheibriados [******] Gold: 221 SH: 15 Dex: 39 Spells: 18/24 levels left rFire . . . SeeInvis . - Unarmed rCold . . . Fa...

Here's a link to a reddit thread with 2 morgues of a "dex demigod" build: https://old.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/lpvijk/yavp_dex_build_demigod/ Honestly I'm coming around to the change more and more over time, just for the increase in build diversity if nothing else. It probably is a signi...

Finally, the amulet of the acrobat has a combat use! Just cast ramparts, then rest until everything's dead with your +15 EV. Screenshot also includes Ozo's armor because why take damage.

Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.27-a0-370-g5931744 (webtiles) character file. Tasonir the Nimble (Octopode Ice Elementalist) Turns: 16027, Time: 00:45:10 Health: 63/74 AC: 5 Str: 7 XL: 12 Next: 24% Magic: 33/33 EV: 33 Int: 24 God: Gozag Gold: 217 SH: 0 Dex: 23 Spells: 16/27 levels left rFire . ....

FR: Sacrifice words forces your language to pirate, or whatever that dwarven language pack option thing was. Cannot be set back to english (or any other real language).

I don't think there's an issue with Dex rings being better than EV rings in the late game. It fits the pattern of crawl. Strength is also better than Slaying in the late game, but worse in the early game. Well, a consequence of one category of ring completely outclassing another is that the choice ...

So due to careless play and not yet really fully internalizing that Xtahua's roar now can paralyze, we can see that paralysis is a hard counter to high EV characters: Game seed: 14525837357504564057 277961 Tasonir the Impaler (level 21, -9/164 HPs) Began as a Human Ice Elementalist on Feb 18, 2021. ...

Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.27-a0-370-g5931744 (webtiles) character file. Tasonir the Impaler (Human Ice Elementalist) Turns: 34347, Time: 01:53:21 Health: 144/144 AC: 26 Str: 27 XL: 19 Next: 34% Magic: 30/33 EV: 34 Int: 28 God: Cheibriados [******] Gold: 826 SH: 0 Dex: 35 Spells: 28/38 leve...

I was kind of hoping for this to be more of a morgue-driven look at the characters people play, and how they feel the change impacted them, that sort of thing. In that idea, here's some notes from the human of chei I threatened to play before: I didn't find the Chei altar until D:8, it wasn't in the...

I think you could design an interesting race around having berserkitis, but I wouldn't just tack it on to minotaurs; they're generally recommended to newbies and it's nice to have an easy race for people learning the game.

To cauterize a wound, you have to burn the *flesh* which was wounded. Ignite blood just ignites the blood as has left the body (otherwise you'd be able to just nuke their blood without having to hit them first).

sanka wrote:...compared to other gods who only give the ability at 1*. (And I am personally would move very strong 1* abilities to higher piety, but that does not matter now).

Heroism is at least a 3* ability by this metric.

Def want to continue to monitor this. Might be possible to just nerf size factor in some way, otherwise some kind of constantly diminishing return on dex seems reasonable, as long as there's no breakpoint involved. I do think it's entirely possible that the size factor is what's really boosting thi...

andrew wrote:Like what? Just "reached Temple", "reached Lair", etc?

I liked the part of this post where you assumed the person above you is arguing in good faith. I think he's kidding

Note that while it's true they summon, I think the Paralyze is the biggest threat if you haven't gotten your Will++++ yet. Then again, I tend to stack MR to avoid this.

Figured we'd probably want to collect people's experiences with the new EV formula, I've been hearing whispers of extreme dodginess and have come to confirm them! http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Tasonir/morgue-Tasonir-20210213-204201.txt Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.27-a0-334-g52645ef (webti...

Felid monk of Chei, 98 EV (actual EV, no potions, didn't switch in EV rings, no EV on jewelry at all): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Tasonir/morgue-Tasonir-20210213-204201.txt In fairness, I did find guardian spirit early on, and I wore a ring of magical power pretty much all game for the max HP...

OH SNAP! IT IS ON! I imagine this will be toned down slightly, but honestly, I don't even think these numbers are that bad as it is. People going with all dex rings on octopodes or felids are going to be extremely EV slanted, and that isn't really how you'd play those characters in general. And most...

One of the easiest solutions to flay happens to be the easiest solution to all of Dungeon Crawl: Statue Form. It's immune to flay. If you have been flayed, going into statue form will also remove all existing flay. As far as the game getting much harder or not, I'd say it's about the same. The only ...

If people want to invest that much into evasion, I say let them. It's worth mentioning it'd be an indirect Chei buff, but I don't really think it's going ruin the game if chei characters get +3 EV by the time they have 2 runes.

I'd have rather kept it, as well. But it bothers me less than removing other utility spells like regeneration, because those you could actually rely on finding (hell, you could start with regeneration). Losing CBlink isn't impactful in about 2/3's of games, because those games never generated the sp...

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