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How do you feel about a somewhat melee character who then branches into firestorm? To me, it seems like a redundant choice - melee deals damage, firestorm deals damage. I usually pick spells that do utility things, like controlled blink, mass abjuration, statue form/necromutation, etc. But you had 1...

Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.10.0-32-gfa280cc character file. 765330 Tasonir the Wrestler (level 27, -1/308 HPs) Began as a Naga Fighter on Apr 3, 2012. Was the Champion of Cheibriados. Slain by a Brimstone Fiend (5 damage) ... in Pandemonium on Apr 4, 2012. The game lasted 14:17:40 (98329 tu...

I think I may have set a record for the worst non-death thing that can happen to you.... So I'm done with the slime pit, and I have my normal, good gear stored 1 tile away from the downstairs going into slime...I put on all spare gear, go in, clear slime, all's fine...When I come back up, I stand to...

I'm sure the CDO wiki or somewhere else is the more appropriate place, but I don't have an account there and I'm lazy, so... In webtiles, if you have an unidentified manual, and you read it from your inventory (press i, select the manual's letter, select (r)ead) instead of just reading it directly, ...

given your rings and barding, I agree with ice dragon armour. How many scrolls of enchant armour do you have? Zero enchant armor scrolls left, sadly. Used 5 making a +4 fire dragon armor because I thought I'd probably stick with it, and then I later found the rF++ ring and even later a rF barding. ...

Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.10.0-32-gfa280cc character file. Tasonir the Wrestler (Naga Fighter) Turns: 77317, Time: 10:17:08 HP 210/210 AC 42 Str 34 XL: 27 MP 40/40 EV 11 Int 38 (39) God: Cheibriados [******] Gold 1146 SH 49 Dex 32 Spells: 12 memorised, 1 level left Res.Fire : + + + See Inv...

So it seems that the general consensus is that minotaurs are the best melee, and that naga constriction is too powerful early game. I've heard constriction is being moved to 13, I've heard nothing about a plan to nerf minotaurs, but imho they're clearly the most powerful, most popular, and probably ...

I know, I know, it's a radical departure from the types of characters I usually play! Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.10.0-32-gfa280cc character file. Tasonir the Brawler (Naga Fighter) Turns: 48777, Time: 05:34:08 HP 175/175 AC 39 Str 34 XL: 21 Next: 52% MP 34/34 EV 6 Int 34 God: Cheibriados [**...

Just to agree with defen, I'd immediately turn off fighting, long blades, dodging, stealth, stabbing, traps, unarmed, translocations, ice, evocations. You want -one- of either short blades or polearms depending on which weapon you go for, then shields (only until 5 for the buckler, 15 if you use a m...

On a semi related story, I was once hit with heavy glow, paniced for a minute, then went walking around until I had a violent release of wild magic...and gained rF+. The rest of the glow went away ;) Of course, like your character, that character died soon afterwards! Honestly though I think mutatio...

well that turned out to be quite a good deal simpler than I expected - I had typed in "scoring" and never thought to try score...evil learnDB

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Obviously we all (or most) people realize the more runes the higher the score, the less turns the better. Those are probably your key factors. But what else? Does killing a mob raise your score? Does raising skills increase your score? Where can I get more details on what things are worth? What star...

Phase shift is considered quite good (although I don't have much experience with it.) Yeah, I don't have any experience with it, as you can tell. It's just that it doesn't ~sound~ very effective. I've used it a fair amount. I find it nearly as helpful as deflect missiles, although that's just becau...

Especially on D:1. Maybe limit them to spears instead of halbreds? 19 Tasonir the Insei (level 2, 0/26 HPs) Began as a Naga Monk on Mar 31, 2012. Slain by a gnoll ... wielding a +1,+0 halberd (18 damage) ... on Level 1 of the Dungeon. The game lasted 00:00:40 (152 turns).

Perhaps I should have been more clear - you can't sneak up on wandering mobs who have not noticed you but are not sleeping. They will move 3-5 spaces depending on their speed for every step you take, and appear to be blinking around your LOS due to the random walking they do. If they are actually as...

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glad to help, I am always glad to hear the guide's been useful to people!

ah, ok...good to know AC helps somewhat but without the GDR I really need to keep more health around <.<

Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.10.0-32-gfa280cc character file. 193455 Tasonir the Severer (level 18, -5/141 HPs) Began as a Demonspawn Berserker on Mar 28, 2012. Was a High Priest of Trog. Hit by a javelin of returning thrown by a merfolk javelineer (33 damage) ... on Level 4 of the Shoals on ...

Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.10.0-32-gfa280cc character file. Tasonir the Severer (Demonspawn Berserker) Turns: 23163, Time: 02:16:49 HP 88/98 AC 30 Str 26 XL: 13 Next: 77% MP 4/4 EV 6 Int 8 God: Trog [*****.] Gold 1086 SH 0 Dex 12 (13) Spells: 0 memorised, 12 levels left Res.Fire : . . . See...

As mentioned, bend time is basically to slow down their attacks on you so that you can melee them. Don't mix bend time and slouch, and wands of hasting should be dropped immediately :) I believe you can use random effects if you like living on the edge - if it does something like a fireball you're o...

this might be the one case where the ** starting piety of monks would help you out - that is enough for 3 ranks of chei -movement speed from the start, which should put you under 10 speed, to enable you to actually get some piety like a normal chei worshipper. Anyone know how many turns it takes for...

I find it funny that 6 votes have all been for the second steak option, and none for the first. I voted for the second one out of protest, because that's where no would be in a yes/no poll

Honeycombs forever! I crawl on a diet of 100% sugar!

As a rather devoted acolyte of Cheibriados, I sometimes forget that people actually spend most of the time in the abyss fleeing. I vote for killing everything, personally ;) Still, sucks to lose a fairly high level promising character someplace you didn't even want to be. I can only recommend trying...

You mean I won't be forced to magic map a level every time I see a portal? Or that if I get a spider portal and a labyrinth portal on the same level of lair (happened to me recently) it's not impossible to do both? Sign me up

granted my KoBe only got up to around level 15, but I think a quick blade (gifted by trog) is probably better than learning long blades? I guess it will depend on what you actually have, but short blades can take you to the end game with Ko's and trog gifting quick blades...

with the amount of nagas I splatted, I think I'm about 10% of that chei stat ;) Honestly I pick vehumet when I start a caster mostly because I want the mana refund and range extension. The books aren't really critical, usually because I die before I get them :) The first gift is really important to ...

Since it's widely recommended that the lair be cleared before the orcish mines, can we move the level that the orcish mines generates on to be after the lair? Right now orc is 6-11 and the lair is 8-13. You could just flip those two, or maybe make orc 9-14? Move lair up a floor if you wish, anything...

ouch...and yes that is certainly the highest ac plate I've ever seen, and with 2 pips of rC no less. Great armor, sorry about the poison...once your poison gets into the red you need to take steps to get away from the source of poison immediately. Don't let it get that high that you can't heal throu...

I've only had the chance to do this a few times, but it seems as though using exclusively reaching attacks on a trident does not corrode the trident? Has anyone done this more than the 10-15 times that I have and can confirm I'm not just really lucky? Makes jellies trivial since they move slower tha...

List entered into the wiki and reduced to 3 difficulties...most races only moved up/down by 1, going from the 5 difficulty to 3 difficulty and updated rankings. Races that moved two were Spriggan and Centaur, both going from moderate to beginner, and Ogre going from Moderate to Master. Should I reco...

Alright I'm going to go ahead and simplify the listing by making only 3 categories of difficulty, that way we can basically have the races people agree a pretty easy (minotaurs, DD, etc) and then a "everyone else" and then "experts only" (felids, octopodes)...it should be somewha...

yeah that's the problem with the list, it's extremely subjective...should we recommend only learning races that are good for perhaps clearing lair? I feel like telling someone to practice something that clears lair (troll anything) which then becomes harder to actually win with is bad, because they'...

The wiki once upon a time listed how difficult it was to play each race, I think this was done around .5 or .6; in any case it's been a long time. I wanted to update this and start grouping the race strategy articles by how difficult they are. While I realize this is a judgement call, and not everyo...

By the MDFi guide do you mean the flowchart? that is a great flowchart, although I don't recall seeing a text one

How does your dex get so high? I realize you're putting your level up gains into dex but even so I'm surprised you can reach 33 while also having 28 str, and it seems it was only +3 dex from items? I see this minotaur + TSO as basically the standard endgame melee build so often, but somehow I feel l...

-I think that vampiric brands are superior to speed brands - if your character isn't doing more than two times the damage to a monster than that monster would do to you (exceptions allowed of course), he isn't that strong usually. As such you will often be at or close to high HP and go on meleeing ...

I may just be getting fortunate, but I haven't had trouble finding necronomicon in most of my games...My 15 rune run took forever to find a grand grimoire for mass abjuration, though. I had cleared all of pan before I gave up on finding it and paid 1840 for it in the orc:4 shops. Then immediately af...

I mentioned that it works fine with other melee builds and listed transmuters/fighters/gladiators...I don't really have much experience with skalds, so....sure?

really it's more of a "naga melee" guide, but I wanted to be slightly more specific. Maybe I should generalize it?

Moved the guide to the wiki, formated it somewhat, can be found here: http://crawl.chaosforge.org/index.php?title=Naga_Monk_guide I will link it from a couple of pages, what do you think about if this should be beginner recommended? I do think it is an easy and powerful build, although it might be s...

I wanted to get confirmation to make sure I understand this exactly, but it seems as though hell effects are unavoidable and happen while being "active" in hell. By active I mean walking around, not resting. Do they pause only in combat? Can they still happen if you are fighting? The wiki ...

1) I think it's because 27 UC + 15 SH is a lot of skill points. 2) Decreasing returns to Dex above 24 doesn't mean no returns. 3)I'd advocate for stealth. When I play Nagas it's usually my highest skill, up to 20 or so. I think it's even more important with Chei. FWIW, I don't commonly use Slouch. ...

Full morgue: http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/0.10/Tasonir/morgue-Tasonir-20120323-202132.txt Shortened log (kills removed, half the notes removed, etc): Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.10.0-32-gfa280cc character file. 11576208 Tasonir the Grand Master (level 27, 284/284 HPs) Began as a Naga Monk ...

Slow/haste do increase slouch damage, and I assume statue form would work the same as slow. I haven't tested this myself, though.

Not running to my stash every goddamn time when I find something worth conserving. I dont wanna bore the spectators. Returning from Zot:5 to Lair:1 is not going to be applauded. Its more like Clockwork Orange suddenly turning into a Adam Sandler movie. What's worth conserving when you're already at...

Alright, I've tried to incorperate all of the feedback, or at least all of the feedback I remembered! ;) Added some new sections, did some cleanup. I'll leave it up for a day or two before wikifying it, maybe give it a once over again. Any sections that feel redundant? Don't want to repeat myself to...

Blade wrote:Chei worshippers should pretty much only raise int. You never need more STR than base+15 ever in any circumstance at all ever, and DEX gives decreasing returns above 24. Other than that, more solid than most guides I've seen. Not bad.

Alright I guess I'll stop recommending dex

Yeah - to break exactly even on piety you're looking at slouching 15+ bees in a bee vault. Most of the time you use it 2-3 times to slouch 10+ tougher enemies you just get one free and lose the 16 piety on the other two. It's certainly not free in general, but it is certainly worth spamming when nee...

Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.10.0-32-gfa280cc character file. Tasonir the Sensei (Naga Monk) Turns: 99476, Time: 14:04:22 HP 232/232 AC 56 Str 34 XL: 27 MP 38/45 EV 16 Int 37 God: Cheibriados [******] Gold 6348 SH 50 Dex 35 Spells: 15 memorised, 5 levels left Res.Fire : + + . See Invis. : + -...

Aye, this build works pretty well with minimal changes if you want to play a naga gladiator or fighter. The thing about tridents that bothers me is whenever you reach to attack, you can't constrict. Need to be within melee range, which makes me feel like I'm wasting reaching. But that's just a perso...

I was expecting constriction to take some sort of hit, but I rather like that nerf - it will remain a powerful attack in the later game and they'll still be just as viable. A bit harder to start, but we'll manage

I'll add the bit about showing game turns, thanks southpaw.

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