0005903: Ant tile tweaks, new drake tiles, and a couple other tweaks

(0019137)
roctavian (developer)
2012-07-20 10:48

I made small tweaks to the skeleton and large skeleton tile, so that weapons can be shown on them. Additionally, I added some details to the skeletal warrior/champion tiles, to make them stand out better from normal skeletons.

(0019140)
evilmike (developer)
2012-07-20 19:23

I can't really tell what's going on in the drake tiles. They look sort of plant-like, or at least the green ones do.

The red ants are a good idea, since the current ant tiles look too similar to dungeon floor.

(0019148)
roctavian (developer)
2012-07-20 22:45
edited on: 2012-07-20 23:00

Well, the swamp drake I went for a "swampy vines hanging off the body" sort of look but I'm not sure it came across.

Edit: I removed their hindlegs and shortened the forelegs, and also removed the hanging vines from the swamp drake.

(0019149)
dd (updater)
2012-07-21 00:34

I think they could use a bit more aerodynamic feel to them, maybe a more birdlike body shape...

(0019171)
roctavian (developer)
2012-07-23 05:43

Made three variations on a flying skull, a curse skull, and Murray.

RE: the drakes -- I could definitely sharpen up their noses, but in terms of a more birdlike body shape, should I just plump up their chest area or what were you thinking?

(0019173)
dd (updater)
2012-07-23 06:43

Plump the chest slightly, and make the body shape a bit more "curvy", not straight as arrow...

(0019186)
jeffqyzt (reporter)
2012-07-23 14:23

I think the thing making the drakes look like plants is that you don't get a sense of perspective with the wings. They look like pseudopods or tendrils or something. Perhaps if the wings were bigger, less curvy, and were partially obscured by the body (at least the tips) that might help?

(0019216)
roctavian (developer)
2012-07-23 23:33

L-R, top to bottom for "additional revisions"
Halfling, Demigod, Demonspawn
Slave, Slave, Mennas
Golden Eye, Eye of Devastation, Daeva
Orange Brain, Shining Eye, Angel

Halflings, Demigods and Demonspawn were still using edited player dolls, so here's actual tiles for those.

Slaves also used player dolls, and there are two tiles. As far as I can tell there's no difference between smaller and larger slaves, so I figure if there's two tiles they could serve to distinguish when the slaves are controlled by Pikel/free.

Most of the other tiles are palette/contrast tweaks, and a couple new takes on eye enemies.

(0019230)
edlothiol (developer)
2012-07-24 14:16

The ants are in.

(0020009)
KiloByte (manager)
2012-09-07 12:54

One problem with daevas (both old and new): these tiles have hard-drawn sword and a shield, while they're allowed to switch their weapons.

No vault redefines their gear, though, and they have a "signature weapon" rule of never switching away from a blessed weapon, so currently problematic upgrades are only: sacred scourge, trishula, blessed great sword, blessed triple sword.

So, I see two options:
* the tile becomes weaponless and the gear is placed the normal way
* we restrict daevas to blessed one-handed long blades only
The latter allows customizing the weapon's orientation, the former would properly differentiate between swords they can wield.

(0020012)
roctavian (developer)
2012-09-07 19:44

The first option would be best. What shall I do about the shield?

(0020153)
ontoclasm (developer)
2012-09-14 03:46

Drakes are in.

(0020154)
KiloByte (manager)
2012-09-14 15:54

roctavian: could you please make a pair of tiles for the daeva shield? One for the inventory, one for the player/monster doll?

(0020307)
ontoclasm (developer)
2012-10-03 03:24

Skeletons and eyes are in.

(0022708)
ontoclasm (developer)
2013-05-19 23:58

Humanoids and holies are in.

(0027246)
roctavian (developer)
2014-09-13 22:26

closing many ancient, resolved tile submissions

Notes
(0019137) roctavian (developer) 2012-07-20 10:48	I made small tweaks to the skeleton and large skeleton tile, so that weapons can be shown on them. Additionally, I added some details to the skeletal warrior/champion tiles, to make them stand out better from normal skeletons.

(0019140) evilmike (developer) 2012-07-20 19:23	I can't really tell what's going on in the drake tiles. They look sort of plant-like, or at least the green ones do. The red ants are a good idea, since the current ant tiles look too similar to dungeon floor.

(0019148) roctavian (developer) 2012-07-20 22:45 edited on: 2012-07-20 23:00	Well, the swamp drake I went for a "swampy vines hanging off the body" sort of look but I'm not sure it came across. Edit: I removed their hindlegs and shortened the forelegs, and also removed the hanging vines from the swamp drake.

(0019149) dd (updater) 2012-07-21 00:34	I think they could use a bit more aerodynamic feel to them, maybe a more birdlike body shape...

(0019171) roctavian (developer) 2012-07-23 05:43	Made three variations on a flying skull, a curse skull, and Murray. RE: the drakes -- I could definitely sharpen up their noses, but in terms of a more birdlike body shape, should I just plump up their chest area or what were you thinking?

(0019173) dd (updater) 2012-07-23 06:43	Plump the chest slightly, and make the body shape a bit more "curvy", not straight as arrow...

(0019186) jeffqyzt (reporter) 2012-07-23 14:23	I think the thing making the drakes look like plants is that you don't get a sense of perspective with the wings. They look like pseudopods or tendrils or something. Perhaps if the wings were bigger, less curvy, and were partially obscured by the body (at least the tips) that might help?

(0019216) roctavian (developer) 2012-07-23 23:33	L-R, top to bottom for "additional revisions" Halfling, Demigod, Demonspawn Slave, Slave, Mennas Golden Eye, Eye of Devastation, Daeva Orange Brain, Shining Eye, Angel Halflings, Demigods and Demonspawn were still using edited player dolls, so here's actual tiles for those. Slaves also used player dolls, and there are two tiles. As far as I can tell there's no difference between smaller and larger slaves, so I figure if there's two tiles they could serve to distinguish when the slaves are controlled by Pikel/free. Most of the other tiles are palette/contrast tweaks, and a couple new takes on eye enemies.

(0019230) edlothiol (developer) 2012-07-24 14:16	The ants are in.

(0020009) KiloByte (manager) 2012-09-07 12:54	One problem with daevas (both old and new): these tiles have hard-drawn sword and a shield, while they're allowed to switch their weapons. No vault redefines their gear, though, and they have a "signature weapon" rule of never switching away from a blessed weapon, so currently problematic upgrades are only: sacred scourge, trishula, blessed great sword, blessed triple sword. So, I see two options: * the tile becomes weaponless and the gear is placed the normal way * we restrict daevas to blessed one-handed long blades only The latter allows customizing the weapon's orientation, the former would properly differentiate between swords they can wield.

(0020012) roctavian (developer) 2012-09-07 19:44	The first option would be best. What shall I do about the shield?

(0020153) ontoclasm (developer) 2012-09-14 03:46	Drakes are in.

(0020154) KiloByte (manager) 2012-09-14 15:54	roctavian: could you please make a pair of tiles for the daeva shield? One for the inventory, one for the player/monster doll?

(0020307) ontoclasm (developer) 2012-10-03 03:24	Skeletons and eyes are in.

(0022708) ontoclasm (developer) 2013-05-19 23:58	Humanoids and holies are in.

(0027246) roctavian (developer) 2014-09-13 22:26	closing many ancient, resolved tile submissions

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2012-07-10 00:07	roctavian	New Issue
2012-07-10 00:07	roctavian	File Added: drakes.png
2012-07-10 13:21	edlothiol	Issue Monitored: edlothiol
2012-07-20 10:48	roctavian	File Added: skeletons.png
2012-07-20 10:48	roctavian	Note Added: 0019137
2012-07-20 19:23	evilmike	Note Added: 0019140
2012-07-20 22:45	roctavian	Note Added: 0019148
2012-07-20 22:59	roctavian	File Added: drakes2.png
2012-07-20 23:00	roctavian	Note Edited: 0019148
2012-07-21 00:34	dd	Note Added: 0019149
2012-07-23 05:38	roctavian	File Added: skulls.png
2012-07-23 05:38	roctavian	File Added: skulldemo.png
2012-07-23 05:43	roctavian	Note Added: 0019171
2012-07-23 06:43	dd	Note Added: 0019173
2012-07-23 14:23	jeffqyzt	Note Added: 0019186
2012-07-23 23:29	roctavian	File Added: additionalrevisions.png
2012-07-23 23:33	roctavian	Note Added: 0019216
2012-07-24 14:16	edlothiol	Note Added: 0019230
2012-09-07 00:59	Galefury	Relationship added	related to 0006174
2012-09-07 12:54	KiloByte	Note Added: 0020009
2012-09-07 19:44	roctavian	Note Added: 0020012
2012-09-14 03:46	ontoclasm	Note Added: 0020153
2012-09-14 15:54	KiloByte	Note Added: 0020154
2012-10-03 03:24	ontoclasm	Note Added: 0020307
2013-05-19 23:58	ontoclasm	Note Added: 0022708
2013-05-19 23:58	ontoclasm	Status	new => resolved
2013-05-19 23:58	ontoclasm	Fixed in Branch	=> 0.13 development branch
2013-05-19 23:58	ontoclasm	Resolution	open => done
2013-05-19 23:58	ontoclasm	Assigned To	=> ontoclasm
2014-09-13 22:26	roctavian	Note Added: 0027246
2014-09-13 22:26	roctavian	Status	resolved => closed