0004625: Imp Tiles Overhaul - Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup Tracker

(0014887)
coolio (reporter)
2011-09-27 17:58

What's the point of moving from unique tiles to palette swaps?

The only one I'm in favour of using is Curio's Iron Imp since the current one is a lazy edit of the Imp tile.

(0014888)
Curio (reporter)
2011-09-27 18:46
edited on: 2011-09-27 18:52

1) They look better.
2) They look consistent with each other and not like completely different monster type.
3) They all weapon-wield compatible.

Imps already was palette-swaps before Denzi introduced his shadow imp (save white imp) and unique does not equals good.

Also, shadow imp improvement does not satisfy you enough?

(0014890)
coolio (reporter)
2011-09-27 19:33
edited on: 2011-09-27 19:35

1) That is subjective. Personally I like Denzi's Shadow Imp's hunched-over look.
2) Why should they look consistent with each other? They all have vastly different abilities and attributes. If you're after consistency, why omit the rest of the 5's - quasits, ufetubi and midges?
3) Unnecessary, seeing as Shadow Imp and White Imp are not weapon wielders.

(0014892)
Curio (reporter)
2011-09-27 20:07

1) Point taken. I need more opinions though. Besides changing a pose, I cleaned up pixel spread a bit. Not very noticeable, I suppose.
2) Because they all called imps. Get summoned by one spell.
3) If this 100% I will change those two. Though, it's weird that they are prohibited from weapon use while others are not.

(0014911)
galehar (administrator)
2011-09-28 22:32

They look good, but maybe a bit too cute for demons.

(0014912)
Curio (reporter)
2011-09-28 23:43

eh. maybe. Though i did not change a single pixel of their "faces" so they look exactly like Denzi's original shadow imp.
I don't know, really, scrap this then.
At least I enjoyed making them. Especially the iron one.

(0015631)
evktalo (administrator)
2011-10-31 21:07

I committed the iron imp one (precisely to have a different tile instead of a palette swap, heh) and used most of the shadow imp's head on the previous shadow imp tile. Cleaner/clearer pixels, same stance. It was pretty blurry.

I also cleaned other pixels (making a consistent black border) on the shadow imp, plus made sure all the iron imp border pixels were black.

I like how these look, but I think it's better to have distinct tile designs for all the imps. They also do look awfully cute, which looks great but did make me feel I didn't want to add all of them.

..well, I added the first two imps to UNUSED anyway, in case we change our minds.

Many thanks!

--Eino

(0015641)
Curio (reporter)
2011-10-31 23:05

You are welcome.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2011-09-27 16:38	Curio	New Issue
2011-09-27 16:38	Curio	File Added: Imp party.png
2011-09-27 16:38	Curio	File Added: Shadow tweaks.png
2011-09-27 16:38	Curio	File Added: imp.png
2011-09-27 16:39	Curio	File Added: ice imp.png
2011-09-27 16:39	Curio	File Added: iron imp.png
2011-09-27 16:39	Curio	File Added: shadow imp.png
2011-09-27 17:58	coolio	Note Added: 0014887
2011-09-27 18:46	Curio	Note Added: 0014888
2011-09-27 18:48	Curio	Note Edited: 0014888
2011-09-27 18:52	Curio	Note Edited: 0014888
2011-09-27 19:33	coolio	Note Added: 0014890
2011-09-27 19:35	coolio	Note Edited: 0014890
2011-09-27 19:35	coolio	Note Edited: 0014890
2011-09-27 20:07	Curio	Note Added: 0014892
2011-09-28 22:32	galehar	Note Added: 0014911
2011-09-28 23:43	Curio	Note Added: 0014912
2011-10-22 20:48	evktalo	Status	new => assigned
2011-10-22 20:48	evktalo	Assigned To	=> evktalo
2011-10-31 21:07	evktalo	Note Added: 0015631
2011-10-31 21:08	evktalo	Status	assigned => resolved
2011-10-31 21:08	evktalo	Fixed in Branch	=> 0.10 development branch
2011-10-31 21:08	evktalo	Resolution	open => done
2011-10-31 23:05	Curio	Note Added: 0015641
2011-10-31 23:06	Curio	Status	resolved => closed

Notes
(0014887) coolio (reporter) 2011-09-27 17:58	What's the point of moving from unique tiles to palette swaps? The only one I'm in favour of using is Curio's Iron Imp since the current one is a lazy edit of the Imp tile.

(0014888) Curio (reporter) 2011-09-27 18:46 edited on: 2011-09-27 18:52	1) They look better. 2) They look consistent with each other and not like completely different monster type. 3) They all weapon-wield compatible. Imps already was palette-swaps before Denzi introduced his shadow imp (save white imp) and unique does not equals good. Also, shadow imp improvement does not satisfy you enough?

(0014890) coolio (reporter) 2011-09-27 19:33 edited on: 2011-09-27 19:35	1) That is subjective. Personally I like Denzi's Shadow Imp's hunched-over look. 2) Why should they look consistent with each other? They all have vastly different abilities and attributes. If you're after consistency, why omit the rest of the 5's - quasits, ufetubi and midges? 3) Unnecessary, seeing as Shadow Imp and White Imp are not weapon wielders.

(0014892) Curio (reporter) 2011-09-27 20:07	1) Point taken. I need more opinions though. Besides changing a pose, I cleaned up pixel spread a bit. Not very noticeable, I suppose. 2) Because they all called imps. Get summoned by one spell. 3) If this 100% I will change those two. Though, it's weird that they are prohibited from weapon use while others are not.

(0014911) galehar (administrator) 2011-09-28 22:32	They look good, but maybe a bit too cute for demons.

(0014912) Curio (reporter) 2011-09-28 23:43	eh. maybe. Though i did not change a single pixel of their "faces" so they look exactly like Denzi's original shadow imp. I don't know, really, scrap this then. At least I enjoyed making them. Especially the iron one.

(0015631) evktalo (administrator) 2011-10-31 21:07	I committed the iron imp one (precisely to have a different tile instead of a palette swap, heh) and used most of the shadow imp's head on the previous shadow imp tile. Cleaner/clearer pixels, same stance. It was pretty blurry. I also cleaned other pixels (making a consistent black border) on the shadow imp, plus made sure all the iron imp border pixels were black. I like how these look, but I think it's better to have distinct tile designs for all the imps. They also do look awfully cute, which looks great but did make me feel I didn't want to add all of them. ..well, I added the first two imps to UNUSED anyway, in case we change our minds. Many thanks! --Eino

(0015641) Curio (reporter) 2011-10-31 23:05	You are welcome.

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