0000030: experimental skill pool changes - Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup Tracker

(0000079)
rob (developer)
2009-11-25 12:39

12:32 < st_> I think the new exp system might make it too difficult/slow to
             train stealth. It took my Spriggan 6 XLs just to get stealth from
             3 to 4
12:32 < st_> and I've been stabbing things quite a bit
12:34 <+by> I wonder why it would make a difference...
12:34 <+kilobyte> it really bogs down training things that you exercise rarely
12:35 <+by> hmm, I had expected it would work in the opposite direction
12:36 <+by> but it makes sense
12:36 <+kilobyte> if you exercise skill A 100 times and skill B once, you now
                  get 100 times as much increases of A
12:36 <+kilobyte> while before, they would quickly drain the pool and do
                  nothing afterwards

(0000083)
dpeg (administrator)
2009-11-25 17:29

This is not directly related to by's changes but I want to encourage people to think about how to remove the need to explicitly show the xp pool. Of course, we want to keep being able to skill characters in any given way; I just think that it's possible to do this without the xp pool crutch. (Historical note: Linley once said on ##crawl that getting rid of victory dancing was on his agenda before he handed over Crawl development.)

(0000088)
rob (developer)
2009-11-25 22:38

I've reverted the change for now because it doesn't work as is. Should I close the issue?

(0000091)
dpeg (administrator)
2009-11-26 00:13

rob: There should be some place (brainstorming wiki) where we can collect ideas how to get rid of victory dancing. It's nothing urgent but over the years, we will stumble upon a solution.

I just tried to add a page to the brainstorm list, but I couldn't. If you make me an empty one, I'll add stuff there. Assigning to Marc -- if you add that page, please close this item. Thanks!

(0000095)
Kyrris (reporter)
2009-11-26 02:44

If there were a way to assign focus skills, tagging them so they trained twice as fast and gobbled up your xp, that might help diminish the necessity of victory dancing. It would widen the range between chosen and ignored skills from 4x to 8x, and give us multiple priority tiers to work with.

(0000151)
Napkin (administrator)
2009-11-27 12:35

Created wiki page here:
http://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:experimental_skill_pool_changes [^]

(0000153)
Napkin (administrator)
2009-11-27 12:38

Closing as requested.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2009-11-24 23:55	rob	New Issue
2009-11-25 11:21	evktalo	Status	new => feedback
2009-11-25 12:39	rob	Note Added: 0000079
2009-11-25 17:29	dpeg	Note Added: 0000083
2009-11-25 22:38	rob	Note Added: 0000088
2009-11-26 00:13	dpeg	Note Added: 0000091
2009-11-26 00:14	dpeg	Assigned To	=> Napkin
2009-11-26 02:44	Kyrris	Note Added: 0000095
2009-11-27 12:35	Napkin	Note Added: 0000151
2009-11-27 12:38	Napkin	Note Added: 0000153
2009-11-27 12:38	Napkin	Status	feedback => closed
2009-11-27 12:38	Napkin	Fixed in Branch	=> 0.6 development branch
2010-02-17 18:38	Napkin	Resolution	open => suspended
2010-02-17 18:38	Napkin	Product Branch	=> 0.6 pre-release branch

Notes
(0000079) rob (developer) 2009-11-25 12:39	12:32 < st_> I think the new exp system might make it too difficult/slow to train stealth. It took my Spriggan 6 XLs just to get stealth from 3 to 4 12:32 < st_> and I've been stabbing things quite a bit 12:34 <+by> I wonder why it would make a difference... 12:34 <+kilobyte> it really bogs down training things that you exercise rarely 12:35 <+by> hmm, I had expected it would work in the opposite direction 12:36 <+by> but it makes sense 12:36 <+kilobyte> if you exercise skill A 100 times and skill B once, you now get 100 times as much increases of A 12:36 <+kilobyte> while before, they would quickly drain the pool and do nothing afterwards

(0000083) dpeg (administrator) 2009-11-25 17:29	This is not directly related to by's changes but I want to encourage people to think about how to remove the need to explicitly show the xp pool. Of course, we want to keep being able to skill characters in any given way; I just think that it's possible to do this without the xp pool crutch. (Historical note: Linley once said on ##crawl that getting rid of victory dancing was on his agenda before he handed over Crawl development.)

(0000088) rob (developer) 2009-11-25 22:38	I've reverted the change for now because it doesn't work as is. Should I close the issue?

(0000091) dpeg (administrator) 2009-11-26 00:13	rob: There should be some place (brainstorming wiki) where we can collect ideas how to get rid of victory dancing. It's nothing urgent but over the years, we will stumble upon a solution. I just tried to add a page to the brainstorm list, but I couldn't. If you make me an empty one, I'll add stuff there. Assigning to Marc -- if you add that page, please close this item. Thanks!

(0000095) Kyrris (reporter) 2009-11-26 02:44	If there were a way to assign focus skills, tagging them so they trained twice as fast and gobbled up your xp, that might help diminish the necessity of victory dancing. It would widen the range between chosen and ignored skills from 4x to 8x, and give us multiple priority tiers to work with.

(0000151) Napkin (administrator) 2009-11-27 12:35	Created wiki page here: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:experimental_skill_pool_changes [^]

(0000153) Napkin (administrator) 2009-11-27 12:38	Closing as requested.

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