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KiloByte
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2011-01-30 01:22
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Yeah, this is a regression for cases where you use Windows from an admin account -- unlike Unix where the home directory is a basic concept, Windows users often expect their saves to be placed elsewhere.
Too bad, on sane setups you can't write to arbitrary directories, and Microsoft's choice of allowed ones is anything but sane.
First, "user profiles" go to a different place on every single release of Windows -- including not only the version but also "edition" and locale. For example, on XP Home it's usually "C:\Documents and Settings\" (even pl), on XP Pro pl "C:\Dok\" (obviously localized), on Windows 7 Ultimate "C:\Users\", and s on.
Then, there is no consistent scheme where to put the data to. For example, Microsoft recommends using %APPDATA% which on XP Pro pl resolves to "%USERPROFILE%\Dane Aplikacji\", on Windows 7 to "%USERPROFILE%\AppData\Roaming\". A good deal of programs follow that recommendation, including currently Crawl. I did ask about some Windows games, and it appears at least some of them place their saves elsewhere: "%USERPROFILE%\Moje dokumenty\Starcraft II'", "%USERPROFILE%\Saved Games\". |
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2011-01-30 09:34
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Shite.
Well, I guess the least we can do is put the above complicated explanation on the website, and prominently link to it. |
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2011-01-31 19:03
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c:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Application Data\crawl\morgue
as been said in a thread by some kind soul.
Issue can be closed now I guess |
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2011-01-31 21:38
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I think many games put save and config files in "my documents". Probably an attempt to reduce support calls. We should do the same :) |
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KiloByte
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2011-02-02 11:13
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I don't run any Windows games myself, so I don't have a clue here. If indeed many do ignore Microsoft's recommendations, we may do that too.
For most games, there's little reason to look at anything from outside the games -- for Crawl, morgues are different.
Such a change would break save compatibility unless we make the save browser smarter (it currently relies on character's name fully determining the filename), but that's not a show stopper. |
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ais523
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2011-02-04 15:21
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I've seen several Windows programs have an option in-game to see where the locations of that sort of thing are. After all, the documentation can't know, but the program definitely can. (It's normally under an options menu somewhere; this is rather harder in Crawl, though, because the options aren't set in-game.) |
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2011-02-06 15:38
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I think we should simply add the complete path name to the char dump message, i.e. replace "Char dumped successfully" with:
Char dumped to C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Application Data\crawl\morgue
If this is a security issue for CDO, we could only do this for local builds.
Once this is added, we can change the documention to use the chardump command for checking the morgue location. Much easier for everyone involved.
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2011-02-18 13:58
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Outside of the servers, the morgue location is now shown whenever you do a chardump and also in the highscores.
Tried with the win installer, and it's really handy. Yay! |
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chardump.jpg [^] (68,574 bytes) 2011-01-29 22:14